mrmojorisin75

they're following the instructions of their manager, that's what they're fucking taught to do from the moment they start playing man you can't have 11 players doing what they want, in a game you might get one person who decides to abandon his shackles and make a run but i generally doesn't matter 'cause the other 8-9 outfield players are all stood still watching it happen

Well, we've still got 36 of them despite being shit all season. We'll probably manage 3~4 out of the last five somehow. i hope you're right, when you look at it all we really have left at this stage is blind hope and the possibility that another teams fail is bigger than our fail - didn't work in 2008-2009 mind it was clear in january pardew wasn't going to get us out of the crisis we were in based on his ability and i firmly believe the same now...any decent manager worth their salt would take that as a wake-up call and totally change their approach for the next game pardew doesn't have another approach

Absolutely. Tried to say this yesterday and got the usual reaction. It was shit from everyone, not just the manager. I'm not having it. I can understand people don't want upheaval, but this head in the sand mentality is going to see us drifting next season as well. I've said enough times why I think he's not up to the job so I'm not going to repeat myself but two words will say more about his short-comings than anything else: Set pieces. What 'head in the sand mentality' is that, man? What, from what I've said there, gives that indication? People keep banging on about it's the player's fault, when it's clear as day that the team has no direction. That to me is head in the sand mentality. No, people don't 'keep banging on about it's the players fault', at all. People are, rightly, saying that the players deserve some of the blame for yesterday, as well as the manager. If anything, that's the opposite of burying their heads in the sand. Correct. People's expectations of what the squad is capable of is way too high imo. You keep saying this but you never back it up, how high are our expectations? Some people say top 7-8 which is laughable as the team has 1 goalscorer in double figures. I honestly believe it's between 10th-12th. Points wise we should be far higher than what we are now. Do you think top 8 is laughable on any other basis other than how many goals we score? If not, can I ask you a question? Aside from the ability to finish, what does a player need to score a goal? Obviously players need service for goals. I honestly don't think there's enough goals in the team and I think the squad is overrated. I personally don't think Cabaye is all their , Tiote I've said for months is a joke, Santon isn't a full back. Yes the service is crap but the amount of times there isn't anyone else in the box apart from Cisse is a joke, players need to take initiative when on the field. Service implies strikers, you're complaining about the fact that the only person who scores is a striker. We need to be creating chances, as a team, for anyone. The midfield has to contribute far more than what it is and has to when we play 1 upfront. Contribute what? Goals. Ok we're back where we started. What do we need to do to as a team that's going to make the midfielders contribute more goals? Goals.

Absolutely. Tried to say this yesterday and got the usual reaction. It was shit from everyone, not just the manager. I'm not having it. I can understand people don't want upheaval, but this head in the sand mentality is going to see us drifting next season as well. I've said enough times why I think he's not up to the job so I'm not going to repeat myself but two words will say more about his short-comings than anything else: Set pieces. What 'head in the sand mentality' is that, man? What, from what I've said there, gives that indication? People keep banging on about it's the player's fault, when it's clear as day that the team has no direction. That to me is head in the sand mentality. No, people don't 'keep banging on about it's the players fault', at all. People are, rightly, saying that the players deserve some of the blame for yesterday, as well as the manager. If anything, that's the opposite of burying their heads in the sand. Correct. People's expectations of what the squad is capable of is way too high imo. You keep saying this but you never back it up, how high are our expectations? Some people say top 7-8 which is laughable as the team has 1 goalscorer in double figures. I honestly believe it's between 10th-12th. Points wise we should be far higher than what we are now. Do you think top 8 is laughable on any other basis other than how many goals we score? If not, can I ask you a question? Aside from the ability to finish, what does a player need to score a goal? Obviously players need service for goals. I honestly don't think there's enough goals in the team and I think the squad is overrated. I personally don't think Cabaye is all their , Tiote I've said for months is a joke, Santon isn't a full back. Yes the service is crap but the amount of times there isn't anyone else in the box apart from Cisse is a joke, players need to take initiative when on the field. Service implies strikers, you're complaining about the fact that the only person who scores is a striker. We need to be creating chances, as a team, for anyone. The midfield has to contribute far more than what it is and has to when we play 1 upfront. Contribute what? see the bit in bold is an argument that my mate makes here at work but this in itself is a tacit acceptance that pardew is at fault because you're essentially saying they should ignore that they're being instructed to do 4 days of a 5 day training week you may be right, maybe they should ignore the manager and do what they want, i wish they fucking would tbh no idea what happened there, i was trying to bold the bit where neesy is saying the players need to take the initiative

Absolutely. Tried to say this yesterday and got the usual reaction. It was shit from everyone, not just the manager. I'm not having it. I can understand people don't want upheaval, but this head in the sand mentality is going to see us drifting next season as well. I've said enough times why I think he's not up to the job so I'm not going to repeat myself but two words will say more about his short-comings than anything else: Set pieces. What 'head in the sand mentality' is that, man? What, from what I've said there, gives that indication? People keep banging on about it's the player's fault, when it's clear as day that the team has no direction. That to me is head in the sand mentality. No, people don't 'keep banging on about it's the players fault', at all. People are, rightly, saying that the players deserve some of the blame for yesterday, as well as the manager. If anything, that's the opposite of burying their heads in the sand. Correct. People's expectations of what the squad is capable of is way too high imo. You keep saying this but you never back it up, how high are our expectations? Some people say top 7-8 which is laughable as the team has 1 goalscorer in double figures. I honestly believe it's between 10th-12th. Points wise we should be far higher than what we are now. Do you think top 8 is laughable on any other basis other than how many goals we score? If not, can I ask you a question? Aside from the ability to finish, what does a player need to score a goal? Obviously players need service for goals. I honestly don't think there's enough goals in the team and I think the squad is overrated. I personally don't think Cabaye is all their , Tiote I've said for months is a joke, Santon isn't a full back. Yes the service is crap but the amount of times there isn't anyone else in the box apart from Cisse is a joke, players need to take initiative when on the field. Service implies strikers, you're complaining about the fact that the only person who scores is a striker. We need to be creating chances, as a team, for anyone. The midfield has to contribute far more than what it is and has to when we play 1 upfront. Contribute what? see the bit in bold is an argument that my mate makes here at work but this in itself is a tacit acceptance that pardew is at fault because you're essentially saying they should ignore that they're being instructed to do 4 days of a 5 day training week you may be right, maybe they should ignore the manager and do what they want, i wish they fucking would tbh

down the manager no? he had ba in double figures for the 1st half of the season based on the dogshit tactics from last year, since then cisse hasn't done too bad under difficult circumstances i'd argue the problem is the manager again because if you go out with a lone forward every game, look to defend and have no definable action plan for how to get people in support of him, and get midfielders making runs into space how the fuck are you ever going to get other people scoring goals? again, the manager

He better get us another 4points. He probably will end this season on some sort of magical run and everything will be forgotten... I'm praying for 'moments of magic' in our last few games. Can't see us getting any points otherwise with our disjointed performances. HBA or cisse wonder goals, right out of pards playbook

You can with clever players. He really is all about the fitness and 'intensity'. We have the players to take the sting out of a load of overhyped headless chickens. We genuinely do. exposing his ignorance here really isn't he? if you train your team (at home no less) to keep the ball and pass it around as you say you can negate fit/motivated players of poorer quality when you have good technical players like we do unfortunately that's not in his book of "how to stop the opposition by being terrified of your own shadow", the stupid cunt

Absolutely. Tried to say this yesterday and got the usual reaction. It was s*** from everyone, not just the manager. Is it not the managers job to motivate the players and get performances out of them? While I agree had this been a one off, its totally symptomatic of the season, and ultimately something that deep is management related. couldn't agree more, blame the players for a one off routing amid generally decent or good form....consistent shite with good players is something else entirely

Nah, not that I could hear anyway. Plenty of disgruntled voices, few directed at the manager, more at the players. as suspected, staggering to me the way people are currently viewing our predicament this season...sure blame can be apportioned to the players but this is the end product of 2 years of bullshit, prehistoric tactics one 5th place has blinded a city, imagine if he'd won something we'd have the cunt for life Perhaps the distance gives you enhanced perception and foresight? Whatever it is, you're so much better than us. nah mate, plenty of people have been seeing it along with me the whole time and fuck it it's not about who was right or wrong nor am i trying to say anything about that i'm genuinely surprised at the leeway he's afforded by the fans watching the match, everytime i've seen us this season (and large chunks of last season) i've wanted to claw my eyes out

Nah, not that I could hear anyway. Plenty of disgruntled voices, few directed at the manager, more at the players. as suspected, staggering to me the way people are currently viewing our predicament this season...sure blame can be apportioned to the players but this is the end product of 2 years of bullshit, prehistoric tactics one 5th place has blinded a city, imagine if he'd won something we'd have the cunt for life

did the mood turn in the stadium at all yesterday? imo it'll be the only way to breach the thick skins of ashley and mike, if it's clear the tide has turned against him

seems like one of those to me, that it'll be a weight lifting the moment the news comes in...stage of the season suggests it's not going to happen though

get the fella who's being booted out of bayern in the summer, he's old but so fuck

agree with this, he seems to be single-handedly intent on making us suffer a relegation battle to the last day of the season i would can him, said it 2-3 games back, and put carver in to the end of the season because i don't honestly see how it could get worse than it is at the moment the blokes lost actually, he looks like he needs putting out of his misery

This.

Keegan used to practice 5-aside football just to get movement and one touch passing instilled in the team. It was old fashioned, but still light years ahead of what Pardew does IMO. i said this exact thing yesterday about 20 mins into the game...if pardew can do nothing else he needs to have them playing 5-a-side for a couple of hours every day so they can learn to pass to each other, how to make space for a pass when it's tight...football basics really

the ones at work are talking about this like VE day or something, all the fighting and shit has just made it all for them...perfect day

anyone any ideas about this? halfway throught the game yesterday the match thread went in a weird loop when i clicked on it it took me to page 1 with the teams on and showed that i needed to login, when i logged in it reverted to my settings but also stuck on the first page of the thread....when i clicked the newest page it booted me out again repeat 'til angry...it still does it now, only this thread mind, all of the others were and are fine

stoke and norwich look our best hopes of staying up imo, stoke seem to be in freefall...don't have a clue where we're going to get any points from - this is not a kneejerk to the derby game either, felt this this for ages as you well know

fuck the over-reactions to this 'cause it's the derby, this has been coming for months...the type of player we have and the tactics the manager employs are totally at odds this is nothing new, he's fucking terrible and as i said earlier was a cisse injury time winner away from us being in a total mess, as opposed to a whiff of danger anyone see where the next point is coming from?

if this result stays the same he's very, very luck fulham went the way it did late on...that said, we'd be back in the shite anyway

absolutely this imo, he should be tried there next season...especially if we can't pick up any canny wingers/wide forwards