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personally i think the way he's operating in the transfer market is to the benefit of the club as a whole - no manager has a 100% success record in transfers do they? so far martins has been very good, sib has exceeded expectations and duff has been a disappointment (but is hardly to be written off at age 27) rossi should have been used more (but then he was tied for quite a few games), bernard was/is a joke and gooch has not been as good as we'd hoped all in all the 6 players he's brought in haven't damaged us too much have they? he hasn't panic bought a 9.5m player yet has he? i have to believe that roeder, and the club, have learned from their mistakes to this point and will take steps to rectify them this summer.... the alternative as i see it is another season of a new manager coming in and "assessing" the players we all know need to leave before then not being given the chance to change things round if roeder doesn't act this summer then he's pulling the trigger on himself, simple as that.... Don't forget his inspired decision to bring Srnicek back to the club. bdoing! it's all positive or negative spin eh? if you look on the positive side then he's spent 10m very well on a young, fit, fast, dangerous striker... he spent 5m on a winger who had won back to back titles with chel$ki and was regarded by most people very highly when he was at blackburn....plus there's nothing to suggest duff can't improve and recapture his form everyone else cost nothing or next to nothing but haven't had an impact on the team, simple as....

personally i think the way he's operating in the transfer market is to the benefit of the club as a whole - no manager has a 100% success record in transfers do they? so far martins has been very good, sib has exceeded expectations and duff has been a disappointment (but is hardly to be written off at age 27) rossi should have been used more (but then he was tied for quite a few games), bernard was/is a joke and gooch has not been as good as we'd hoped all in all the 6 players he's brought in haven't damaged us too much have they? he hasn't panic bought a 9.5m player yet has he? i have to believe that roeder, and the club, have learned from their mistakes to this point and will take steps to rectify them this summer.... the alternative as i see it is another season of a new manager coming in and "assessing" the players we all know need to leave before then not being given the chance to change things round if roeder doesn't act this summer then he's pulling the trigger on himself, simple as that....

ha ha you're making me laugh now 'cause i never said any of that at all!! what i said was "the fans won't like the guy from the off" and "if results go against him he'll retreat into his shell and fight with the press just like souness did" never said the fans would want him out at all just that we're "suspicious" of his loyalties, as i certainly am if you're gonna talk sh!te expect to get laughed at What makes you think the fans wont like him from the off? and you claim I talk s**** i honestly think people are suspicious of the type of football he plays at bolton (and i agree with you and others that our current quality is worse than bolton but that means nowt), everyone i know and have spoken to BAR NONE have basically said "f@ck that" when the prospect is raised of allardyce as NUFC manager and it's what i say too, i don't like the guy as a man or a football manager it's like that lad NE5 says about the board, same thing, we might have a bad one but clamouring for a slightly better one (in certain areas) might not be the best thing eh? comes back to the other post i made - if winning (a few more) matches is all you care about then allardyce is your man, and i thought i was missing the bigger picture It means everything tbh, which is why we are even having this discussion in the first place. Anyway, it seems you are pretty much alone on here claiming the majority of our fans will not like the idea of Allardyce as our new manager. Doesn't that tell you anything, being alone yet claiming to speak for a majority? firstly it's an internet forum pal, hardly reflective of general opinion is it? secondly my point is that because we're playing awful football right now under roeder how does that become an endorsement to sign a manager with a long history of playing awful football? even if it's better than we play right now it's still awful pal An internet forum will give a more unbiased opinion than "your mates down the pub". Its a large cross section of fans who often have different opinions and the fact the majority would go for Allardyce says a lot imo. i've always stated this is my perception of the situation, nothing more nothing less however this place is full of bairns who are clamouring for change for the sake of it the same w@nkers who were complaining about robson and saw him replaced with souness My argument doesn't hold, so people with a different opinion must be either bairns who don't know what they're on about or w@nkers who always complain.. touche, good point - comes across as a bit petulant that but i'll stand by my opinion that there's to much desire for change for the sake of it and that allardyce would not be a popular choice as manager (but perhaps not as unpopular as i seem to think) Fair enough! I can see where you're coming from too if you don't believe Allardyce is a good enough manager for us, but I think most people realise we can't realistically hope for anybody much better at this point in time.. Who would you consider replacing Roeder with? aha! the million dollar question hard to answer really without sounding like you're reading off of football manager or something isn't it? that lad from sevilla would be an obvious choice 'cause i believe he's leaving and has a commitment to playing good, attacking football and has built his success over time wherever he's been without massive finance... the fundamental problem we have, as a club, is that shepherd will not countenance a foreign manager anymore therefore we're stuck with british or irish, thus i do see why people are looking at allardyce 'cause of the english managers he's regarded highly by lots of people HONESTLY i'd say this - allow roeder the coming summer to get who he wants in, on the understanding that the players he buys are young, not crazy expensive, and not on mental wages (therefore we can move them if it all goes wrong) if there's no improvement and he proves himself to have blown it then it's time to change but i just can't see the benefit in change right now

tell you what i've just looked at that poll about this and i'm blown away that 80% of people on here would go for allardyce, i really am... this, to me, can only be attributed to dissatisfaction with roeder rather than any affinity with allardyce and as for attractive football yeah, of course, but i never want us to become consumed by winning...when we were losing the league or cups to manu i never wanted to see toon players chasing refs about screaming, or seeing players diving or whatever to get the win... to allardyce, from my perspective, it's only about winning....when have we EVER been about that? and by the way bolton are 4 wins ahead of us in the table and we've had what is to be considered a travesty of a season, whereas bolton have had just about their best season ever.... are you that sure that given time in the summer to fulfil his plans, assuming he has them, and with michael owen playing say 20 games that we couldn't do just as well with roeder as we could with allardyce? i'm not.... You cant go from a poor, boring team to an attractive team overnight - it takes years of work on the training ground. Took Sir Bobby Robson 2 years and 3 months to get Newcastle flying. Same with all new managers - results come ahead of performances Sam Allardyce has, with limited resources got a team with lower ability playing more attractive football than we are right now. The whole boring direct Bolton is a pure myth based on Bolton's first two seasons in the Premiership. Would suggest that you dont watch many non-NUFC matches. You need to get rid of your ideology, as things wont happen the way you want, even if the idea of attractive football plus results is the best outcome. PS stop permanently contradicting yourself, you do this in every single thread, and makes you impossible to respond to. when do i contract myself? quite a lot. You say: "I didn't say that this would happen" "But I think that this thing that I didnt say would happen will happen" case closed sherlock

this is a much better version of what i've been trying to say this whole thread suppose it shows that being at work is more of a distraction than i wish it was! anyway i totally agree with all this and well said....kind of proves that some of what i said about many NUFC fans not really liking the guy is true....

tell you what i've just looked at that poll about this and i'm blown away that 80% of people on here would go for allardyce, i really am... this, to me, can only be attributed to dissatisfaction with roeder rather than any affinity with allardyce and as for attractive football yeah, of course, but i never want us to become consumed by winning...when we were losing the league or cups to manu i never wanted to see toon players chasing refs about screaming, or seeing players diving or whatever to get the win... to allardyce, from my perspective, it's only about winning....when have we EVER been about that? and by the way bolton are 4 wins ahead of us in the table and we've had what is to be considered a travesty of a season, whereas bolton have had just about their best season ever.... are you that sure that given time in the summer to fulfil his plans, assuming he has them, and with michael owen playing say 20 games that we couldn't do just as well with roeder as we could with allardyce? i'm not.... You cant go from a poor, boring team to an attractive team overnight - it takes years of work on the training ground. Took Sir Bobby Robson 2 years and 3 months to get Newcastle flying. Same with all new managers - results come ahead of performances Sam Allardyce has, with limited resources got a team with lower ability playing more attractive football than we are right now. The whole boring direct Bolton is a pure myth based on Bolton's first two seasons in the Premiership. Would suggest that you dont watch many non-NUFC matches. You need to get rid of your ideology, as things wont happen the way you want, even if the idea of attractive football plus results is the best outcome. PS stop permanently contradicting yourself, you do this in every single thread, and makes you impossible to respond to. when do i contract myself?

ha ha you're making me laugh now 'cause i never said any of that at all!! what i said was "the fans won't like the guy from the off" and "if results go against him he'll retreat into his shell and fight with the press just like souness did" never said the fans would want him out at all just that we're "suspicious" of his loyalties, as i certainly am if you're gonna talk sh!te expect to get laughed at What makes you think the fans wont like him from the off? and you claim I talk s**** i honestly think people are suspicious of the type of football he plays at bolton (and i agree with you and others that our current quality is worse than bolton but that means nowt), everyone i know and have spoken to BAR NONE have basically said "f@ck that" when the prospect is raised of allardyce as NUFC manager and it's what i say too, i don't like the guy as a man or a football manager it's like that lad NE5 says about the board, same thing, we might have a bad one but clamouring for a slightly better one (in certain areas) might not be the best thing eh? comes back to the other post i made - if winning (a few more) matches is all you care about then allardyce is your man, and i thought i was missing the bigger picture It means everything tbh, which is why we are even having this discussion in the first place. Anyway, it seems you are pretty much alone on here claiming the majority of our fans will not like the idea of Allardyce as our new manager. Doesn't that tell you anything, being alone yet claiming to speak for a majority? firstly it's an internet forum pal, hardly reflective of general opinion is it? secondly my point is that because we're playing awful football right now under roeder how does that become an endorsement to sign a manager with a long history of playing awful football? even if it's better than we play right now it's still awful pal An internet forum will give a more unbiased opinion than "your mates down the pub". Its a large cross section of fans who often have different opinions and the fact the majority would go for Allardyce says a lot imo. i've always stated this is my perception of the situation, nothing more nothing less however this place is full of bairns who are clamouring for change for the sake of it the same w@nkers who were complaining about robson and saw him replaced with souness My argument doesn't hold, so people with a different opinion must be either bairns who don't know what they're on about or w@nkers who always complain.. touche, good point - comes across as a bit petulant that but i'll stand by my opinion that there's to much desire for change for the sake of it and that allardyce would not be a popular choice as manager (but perhaps not as unpopular as i seem to think)

get a goddam grip man how bad do you think things really are? why does it take a "special manager" to get a team playing attractive football? steve coppell manages quite nicely don't you think? the whole thing comes down the fact that you'd compromise for allardyce 'cause you think he'd do a bit better than roeder, not that you think allardyce is the best manager for NUFC doesn't it? i don't want to see us make that compromise, ever

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ha ha you're making me laugh now 'cause i never said any of that at all!! what i said was "the fans won't like the guy from the off" and "if results go against him he'll retreat into his shell and fight with the press just like souness did" never said the fans would want him out at all just that we're "suspicious" of his loyalties, as i certainly am if you're gonna talk sh!te expect to get laughed at What makes you think the fans wont like him from the off? and you claim I talk s**** i honestly think people are suspicious of the type of football he plays at bolton (and i agree with you and others that our current quality is worse than bolton but that means nowt), everyone i know and have spoken to BAR NONE have basically said "f@ck that" when the prospect is raised of allardyce as NUFC manager and it's what i say too, i don't like the guy as a man or a football manager it's like that lad NE5 says about the board, same thing, we might have a bad one but clamouring for a slightly better one (in certain areas) might not be the best thing eh? comes back to the other post i made - if winning (a few more) matches is all you care about then allardyce is your man, and i thought i was missing the bigger picture It means everything tbh, which is why we are even having this discussion in the first place. Anyway, it seems you are pretty much alone on here claiming the majority of our fans will not like the idea of Allardyce as our new manager. Doesn't that tell you anything, being alone yet claiming to speak for a majority? firstly it's an internet forum pal, hardly reflective of general opinion is it? secondly my point is that because we're playing awful football right now under roeder how does that become an endorsement to sign a manager with a long history of playing awful football? even if it's better than we play right now it's still awful pal An internet forum will give a more unbiased opinion than "your mates down the pub". Its a large cross section of fans who often have different opinions and the fact the majority would go for Allardyce says a lot imo. i've always stated this is my perception of the situation, nothing more nothing less however this place is full of bairns who are clamouring for change for the sake of it the same w@nkers who were complaining about robson and saw him replaced with souness

tell you what i've just looked at that poll about this and i'm blown away that 80% of people on here would go for allardyce, i really am... this, to me, can only be attributed to dissatisfaction with roeder rather than any affinity with allardyce and as for attractive football yeah, of course, but i never want us to become consumed by winning...when we were losing the league or cups to manu i never wanted to see toon players chasing refs about screaming, or seeing players diving or whatever to get the win... to allardyce, from my perspective, it's only about winning....when have we EVER been about that? and by the way bolton are 4 wins ahead of us in the table and we've had what is to be considered a travesty of a season, whereas bolton have had just about their best season ever.... are you that sure that given time in the summer to fulfil his plans, assuming he has them, and with michael owen playing say 20 games that we couldn't do just as well with roeder as we could with allardyce? i'm not.... How much have we spent compared to Bolton? Who would you be more confident on if you were forced to bet a lot of money on one of us finishing in a European place next season? Allardyce has got Bolton as far as they could have wished to go on very limited resources due to effective football, getting the right players in and getting the best out of players who have been on their way down. People want Allardyce because he knows how to win, do you think Jose stops to think "well yeah I do want to win games but I wish we would player more attractive football" when his team picks up another trophy? All managers want to win and Allardyce is that good a manager he has worked out how to get a club like Bolton overperforming on the resource he has been given. As said the "boring football" tag is a bit of a myth these days like when people claim we are "entertainers". He has shown his intentions over the years with some of the players he has brought in. When given money he has invested it well and has brought players who play attractive football. is this the same attractive football that sees bolton kick arsenal off the pitch every time they play them just to get a result? you've come full circle back to how this all started with: "Allardyce has got Bolton as far as they could have wished to go on very limited resources due to effective football, getting the right players in and getting the best out of players who have been on their way down." we differ, hugely, on whether he can make the step up to a club like NUFC how long do you honestly think that people would be happy with allardyce if he came to SJP with the same style of football? even if he got us in the uefa cup people just aren't gonna be interested in watching us play anymore than they are now...

ha ha you're making me laugh now 'cause i never said any of that at all!! what i said was "the fans won't like the guy from the off" and "if results go against him he'll retreat into his shell and fight with the press just like souness did" never said the fans would want him out at all just that we're "suspicious" of his loyalties, as i certainly am if you're gonna talk sh!te expect to get laughed at What makes you think the fans wont like him from the off? and you claim I talk s**** i honestly think people are suspicious of the type of football he plays at bolton (and i agree with you and others that our current quality is worse than bolton but that means nowt), everyone i know and have spoken to BAR NONE have basically said "f@ck that" when the prospect is raised of allardyce as NUFC manager and it's what i say too, i don't like the guy as a man or a football manager it's like that lad NE5 says about the board, same thing, we might have a bad one but clamouring for a slightly better one (in certain areas) might not be the best thing eh? comes back to the other post i made - if winning (a few more) matches is all you care about then allardyce is your man, and i thought i was missing the bigger picture It means everything tbh, which is why we are even having this discussion in the first place. Anyway, it seems you are pretty much alone on here claiming the majority of our fans will not like the idea of Allardyce as our new manager. Doesn't that tell you anything, being alone yet claiming to speak for a majority? firstly it's an internet forum pal, hardly reflective of general opinion is it? secondly my point is that because we're playing awful football right now under roeder how does that become an endorsement to sign a manager with a long history of playing awful football? even if it's better than we play right now it's still awful pal

tell you what i've just looked at that poll about this and i'm blown away that 80% of people on here would go for allardyce, i really am... this, to me, can only be attributed to dissatisfaction with roeder rather than any affinity with allardyce and as for attractive football yeah, of course, but i never want us to become consumed by winning...when we were losing the league or cups to manu i never wanted to see toon players chasing refs about screaming, or seeing players diving or whatever to get the win... to allardyce, from my perspective, it's only about winning....when have we EVER been about that? and by the way bolton are 4 wins ahead of us in the table and we've had what is to be considered a travesty of a season, whereas bolton have had just about their best season ever.... are you that sure that given time in the summer to fulfil his plans, assuming he has them, and with michael owen playing say 20 games that we couldn't do just as well with roeder as we could with allardyce? i'm not....

ha ha you're making me laugh now 'cause i never said any of that at all!! what i said was "the fans won't like the guy from the off" and "if results go against him he'll retreat into his shell and fight with the press just like souness did" never said the fans would want him out at all just that we're "suspicious" of his loyalties, as i certainly am if you're gonna talk sh!te expect to get laughed at What makes you think the fans wont like him from the off? and you claim I talk s**** i honestly think people are suspicious of the type of football he plays at bolton (and i agree with you and others that our current quality is worse than bolton but that means nowt), everyone i know and have spoken to BAR NONE have basically said "f@ck that" when the prospect is raised of allardyce as NUFC manager and it's what i say too, i don't like the guy as a man or a football manager it's like that lad NE5 says about the board, same thing, we might have a bad one but clamouring for a slightly better one (in certain areas) might not be the best thing eh? comes back to the other post i made - if winning (a few more) matches is all you care about then allardyce is your man, and i thought i was missing the bigger picture

ha ha you're making me laugh now 'cause i never said any of that at all!! what i said was "the fans won't like the guy from the off" and "if results go against him he'll retreat into his shell and fight with the press just like souness did" never said the fans would want him out at all just that we're "suspicious" of his loyalties, as i certainly am if you're gonna talk sh!te expect to get laughed at

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i'd be tempted to stick to be honest i see nothing in allardyce that suggests he'll fit in at SJP in any capacity - the only thing think he'd bring that he'd do better than roeder would be his much-hyped "scientific approach" that might make the players fitter or something everyone is clamouring for change but it's not always the best move, as we saw with souness How can you possibly think there isnt a huge difference between Allardyce and Roeder? Allardyce is one of the best in the business at getting underperforming players in and making them exceed any ability they previously had. His "much hyped" methods have done him very well and when he has been given money to spend he has done very well with it signing people like Diouf (another player who has flourished under him) and Anelka. Its easy to compare Allardyce with Curbishley as they have done similar things with fairly small clubs on tight budgets but you surely must see the bigger picture and not just that one similarity? Its like saying Bellamy and Sibierski are similar players because they have scored around the same amount of goals each this season. do enlighten me about the bigger picture, please...what do you see it as? what i said was that i see nothing that tells me allardyce would fit in at SJP and i stick by it to be honest, there's a difference between saying that and saying he's better/worse than roeder is there not?....to me he's another souness waiting to happen 'cause the fans won't like the guy from the off, we're all suspicious about his loyalties and style of football...if results go against him he'll retreat into his shell and and fight with the press just like souness did (remember all his bristling with the press around the england job?) i agree that presently there appears a world of difference between roeder and allardyce but once he's removed from his "us against the world" small club mentality that serves him so well what do you see in him that would make him susccessful at NUFC where the demands and pressures are so much greater? as i've said in another post just before this put allardyce in charge with our squad in the full knowledge that there is no money to spend and fine, i'm all for it, but there will be money to spend and i think we can do much better therefore don't change for the sake of it, make an informed judgement not just get someone 'cause he becomes available and has done pretty well somewhere else also bear in mind about bolton that they've mostly failed eh? league cup finals and champions league placings...they've failed more often than they've succeeded, right? Allardyce knows how to plan, build a team, use a variaton of tactics depending on who he is playing, change tactics during a game, use modern methods to improve coaching and fitness, motivate players, get the best out of players who have lost their way etc etc... He is nothing like Souness, Souness was a manager on the way down, a manager who had a history of poor relations with players and a manager who the fans really didn't want. like i said, all of this is my opinion, and watching bolton i'm afraid i don't see much of the tactical nouse you see - when the direct game and pushing teams about doesn't work then they lose, when it does they win, as is my perception of them.... what is it with you? my comparison to souness was not all encompassing, just like i didn't say roeder/allardyce were of similar quality....my reference to souness was about their character and relations with the press, allardyce is a spit the dummy out merchant when things don't go his way and everyone would be all over him if he was poor at the toon therefore i draw my comparison on that, nothing else

yeah but he's only doing that at chel$ki for reasons unknown to me at porto they played a calculated counter-attacking game that was in no way bad to watch, they had some great ball players like deco and carlos alberto....at chel$ki he's taken the same idea but it just turns my blood cold watching it i once said to a mate that mourinho's chel$ski is like something that would come out of a computer programme that was designed to tell you how to win matches....to me that's what it's like and i see bolton/allardyce in a similar vein...they take any potential for joy out of the game, winning becomes the all consuming idea behind the team and i just don't like it when have we ever been like that as a club? if we ever become defined by winning trophies it then i'll pack it in 'til we come back to what we know what would any of you take - playing consistently attractive, ambitious football and the likelihood that you'd more often than not miss out on trophies or watch a chel$ki/bolton style direct pressing game in the knowledge that trophies are likely to come along because of it? no contest for me look at spurs fans, do you think they're crying out for jol to be sacked and allardyce installed? are they F@CK 'cause they're watching spurs play good football; we on the other hand are watching tripe and want to replace it with something marginally better that will get results....f#ck that i say, why not go and get another coach from holland or spain who can get players passing and moving?

i'd be tempted to stick to be honest i see nothing in allardyce that suggests he'll fit in at SJP in any capacity - the only thing think he'd bring that he'd do better than roeder would be his much-hyped "scientific approach" that might make the players fitter or something everyone is clamouring for change but it's not always the best move, as we saw with souness How can you possibly think there isnt a huge difference between Allardyce and Roeder? Allardyce is one of the best in the business at getting underperforming players in and making them exceed any ability they previously had. His "much hyped" methods have done him very well and when he has been given money to spend he has done very well with it signing people like Diouf (another player who has flourished under him) and Anelka. Its easy to compare Allardyce with Curbishley as they have done similar things with fairly small clubs on tight budgets but you surely must see the bigger picture and not just that one similarity? Its like saying Bellamy and Sibierski are similar players because they have scored around the same amount of goals each this season. do enlighten me about the bigger picture, please...what do you see it as? what i said was that i see nothing that tells me allardyce would fit in at SJP and i stick by it to be honest, there's a difference between saying that and saying he's better/worse than roeder is there not?....to me he's another souness waiting to happen 'cause the fans won't like the guy from the off, we're all suspicious about his loyalties and style of football...if results go against him he'll retreat into his shell and and fight with the press just like souness did (remember all his bristling with the press around the england job?) i agree that presently there appears a world of difference between roeder and allardyce but once he's removed from his "us against the world" small club mentality that serves him so well what do you see in him that would make him susccessful at NUFC where the demands and pressures are so much greater? as i've said in another post just before this put allardyce in charge with our squad in the full knowledge that there is no money to spend and fine, i'm all for it, but there will be money to spend and i think we can do much better therefore don't change for the sake of it, make an informed judgement not just get someone 'cause he becomes available and has done pretty well somewhere else also bear in mind about bolton that they've mostly failed eh? league cup finals and champions league placings...they've failed more often than they've succeeded, right?

replace one brand of soul destroying football with another, albeit more effective one? not for me plus allardyce is the prototypical manager who does well on a shoestring and then falls to pieces when given money to spend.... not what we need How do you know that he cant spend money - has he ever been given any? i didn't say i KNEW he won't able to spend money, read it again.... curbishley is allardyce without the chip on his shoulder, spent years building at charlton with nothing then got some money and didn't do anything at all with it...he's was given 16m or something this transfer window and frankly has spaffed it all on crap i feel, and it's only my opinon, that allardyce will do the same given a chance You made the following sentence as though it was a fact: "plus allardyce is the prototypical manager who does well on a shoestring and then falls to pieces when given money to spend...." That would suggest that you thought that he wouldn't be able to spend money. Now your recent post is a contradiction in itself, saying that you don't know that he wont be able to spend money, but as you perceive Allardyce as being like Curbishley, and Curbishley wasted £16m, you think Allardyce will do the same. You cant make such syllogisms about football. Until you give him money, you dont know what he is capable of doing. jesus this is not an english lesson, "allardyce is the prototypical manager...." is patently a statement of my opinion rather than an assumption that i can predict the future or have some omniscient power to determine the capabilities of human beings anyone, except you it seems, can see that i'm comparing allardyce to managers who have built a reputation at 'smaller' clubs and then failed when given money: peter taylor, mike walker, curbishley, george burley (to a degree) to name a few more i haven't contradicted myself in the slightest 'cause i never said i "KNEW" allardyce would fail, i merely believe it and the signs point to it....with his first and only 8m fee he bought a striker that has never shown any loyalty to any club ever and barring a couple of great first seasons with arsenal has never really been worth the hype...what would he do with 20m+ at newcastle i wonder? and saying things like: "Until you give him money, you dont know what he is capable of doing." is ridiculous...he's built his reputation on NOT spending money so why would we sign a manager like that? surely as a club that spends a lot of money we need to be looking at a manager with a proven record of spending wisely (easy to say rather than do)... if i knew that for the next 5 years the club were gonna give allardyce 5m max per season to spend and the had to raise the rest himself and bring the kids through then fine, i could see the sense in getting him in, but as we know that's unlikely to happen is it?

replace one brand of soul destroying football with another, albeit more effective one? not for me plus allardyce is the prototypical manager who does well on a shoestring and then falls to pieces when given money to spend.... not what we need How do you know that he cant spend money - has he ever been given any? i didn't say i KNEW he won't able to spend money, read it again.... curbishley is allardyce without the chip on his shoulder, spent years building at charlton with nothing then got some money and didn't do anything at all with it...he's was given 16m or something this transfer window and frankly has spaffed it all on crap i feel, and it's only my opinon, that allardyce will do the same given a chance

i'd be tempted to stick to be honest i see nothing in allardyce that suggests he'll fit in at SJP in any capacity - the only thing think he'd bring that he'd do better than roeder would be his much-hyped "scientific approach" that might make the players fitter or something everyone is clamouring for change but it's not always the best move, as we saw with souness

replace one brand of soul destroying football with another, albeit more effective one? not for me plus allardyce is the prototypical manager who does well on a shoestring and then falls to pieces when given money to spend.... not what we need

Good chairman back their managers. It might not suit your "opinion" but its fact. I just bet that if the club DIDN'T back their managers you would moan. i actually take issue with this, it's the biggest cliche in the game and one that serves to perpetuate shepherd at the helm of the club many people believe he's not fit to run a good chairman does what is in the best interests of the club, be it something that makes him unpopular or not when bobby robson came in he had to spend his first 2 seasons balancing the books with his transfers due to what had taken place with gullit/dalglish (if i remember correctly he spent about 20m and raked in just over that amount in transfers)...now that was in the best interests of the club but you could hardly say shepherd "backed his manager" at that time? did that not make him a good chairman then? on the contrary in my opinion, if he'd have shown this sort of prudence before and after that period we'd be a better club on and off the pitch now than we currently are i'm actually largely in agreement with you about the state of the club; at the moment there's too much doom-mongering about the place and relatively speaking we're doing ok and could get back to better things with the right work BUT answer me the following (i know you won't, at least not directly): would a good chairman accept the level/quality of performance he's seen this season regarless of the "worst injury crisis since the first world war" or would he be looking to bring in a new manager who could get the team playing football again regardless of how much he has to spend or not spend...money doesn't make a team play good football say what you like about the 70's/80's or whatever but RIGHT NOW attendances are falling slowly but steadily as people become further disenchanted with what they see ON THE PITCH and a good chairman would see that wouldn't he? or would your good chairman just back roeder with money 'cause that's what good chairmen do?

regardless of anything else i'm encouraged to think that as a club we've noticed that "the waiting game" hasn't worked over the past few seasons and we're gonna go in, get the players we want and have everything ready well in time for the start of the season it'd be a step in the right direction - wouldn't it be nice to start the season well for a change with a settled squad rather than trying to fit new people in in september after we've taken 3 points from the first 12 and we're under pressure? that said, for the last few years we've talked a good talk but done the exact opposite so until i see otherwise i'll be expecting precisely f@ck all to happen 'til the last week of august then cue the panic buying again....