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Kaizero

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  1. The change in statistics coming immediately after the implementation of VAR - in comparison to how things were before VAR - and then continuing after VAR... It means it is a scientifically measurable direct cause of the effect of VAR being implemented. It's impossible to argue against. There was one set of statistics before VAR, those changed immediately and remained changed after VAR was introduced. It is cause and effect. There is obvious correlation between the two, jesus christ, man It is also obviously not "the game changing". It was a measurable immediate fucking effect after VAR was implemented. One day there was no VAR, the next day there was VAR. That's when the measurable statistics changed. That is what caused the change.
  2. The accuracy rate (following the rules of football) at the 2018 WC was 99.35%. The average time for a VAR review at the 2018 WC was 15 seconds. 100% of all offside decisions at the 2018 WC was correct. The amount of fouls committed went down 30% from the 2014 WC (no-VAR) to the 2018 WC (VAR). Zhang Y, Li D, Gómez-Ruano M-Á, Memmert D, Li C and Fu M (2022) The effect of the video assistant referee (VAR) on referees' decisions at FIFA World Cups. Front. Psychol. 13:984367. doi: 10.3389/fpsyg.2022.984367 -- In the Italian Serie A, there was a statistical bias for the home team from referees before the introduction of VAR. After the introduction of VAR, that home team bias went away. Holder, U., Ehrmann, T. & König, A. Monitoring experts: insights from the introduction of video assistant referee (VAR) in elite football. J Bus Econ 92, 285–308 (2022). https://doi.org/10.1007/s11573-021-01058-5 It has significantly decreased the amount of "diving" across all top divisions in Europe. Holder, U., Ehrmann, T. & König, A. Monitoring experts: insights from the introduction of video assistant referee (VAR) in elite football. J Bus Econ 92, 285–308 (2022). https://doi.org/10.1007/s11573-021-01058-5 -- It seems apparent it is the PL that are lagging behind and utilizing VAR wrong, rather than VAR itself being an issue.
  3. I would assume you start celebrataing a goal long before you see "VAR review", you don't wait until you see if "VAR review" pops up or not? The crux of my argument is that it works a lot better in other leagues than the PL, which points to there being an issue with how VAR is applied. It now, to me, seems blatantly obvious that the issue is that the VAR refs don't have a set of rules that they all follow. Yes, it'll still be human subjectiveness applying decisions - but it'd be a lot less "random" if all the ref's followed the same set of rules for how and when to apply VAR. I can't fathom how VAR could have been introduced into the PL without all the ref's having a unanimous agreement on how to utilize it. Essentially, I am defending VAR as a concept as I genuinely believe it 100% improves the game when used properly. I am also saying I understand why English supporters are as up in arms as they are about VAR compared to other countries. This due to how it's against the very core purpose of VAR (ensuring the correct rules are being enforced so "errors" don't have as big an effect on the outcome of games as they used to) that there's not a unanimous agreement on how VAR is to be utilized. If the FA set a clear set of rules that all VAR referees HAD to follow, I have no doubt there'd be less controversy in the PL as what would be a "clear and obvious error" would be something set in stone, not up to the subjectiveness of each individual VAR referee. This is what it's like in other countries (can't say it's like that in all countries, but in the ones I am aware of at least) and you don't see the massive fan outrage in those places as you do in England.
  4. It hasn't and it doesn't, though. We'd discuss horrid referee decisons in a much higher quantity of pages on N-O than we ever discuss VAR decisions. Plus the average delay from a VAR review is 50 seconds, just because some reviews take ages doesn't mean they all do. One just really, really notices and gets annoyed by the ones that do. My entire argument is that the game, as a whole (not every specific instance of VAR use), has improved. That said, discovering there's no unanimously agreed rules on how to use VAR amongst the referees in the PL was a horrid discovery It makes no sense, the entire purpose of VAR is to ensure the literal definition of the rules are applied. There's no room for dissent and varying use of VAR depending on who is the VAR ref. The PL is, to my knowledge, the only league using VAR that doesn't have a unanimously agreed set of rules for how to apply and use VAR during a match.
  5. I've never said it wasn't correct?
  6. It's correct, though. Just because 99% of people are wrong doesn't make it any less correct. Just as even if all Republicans are adamant the election was stolen from Trump, it wasn't stolen from Trump. Facts are facts, even if you disagree with them.
  7. I've cited sources for my argument after being asked for them, so no. I checked, it was classed as a correct decision. I stand corrected on my assumption.
  8. To be fair, most people watching football aren't 100% aware of all the rules of the game. I know far too many people that don't realise the offside rule requires at least two players ahead of the player being passed the ball, not one.
  9. IIRC they've been classed as incorrect decisions, hence me stating that. I can't be arsed spending the time it'll take to look it up though, so no worries if you won't take my word for that at face value. As I pointed out in my post earlier, the fact there is no unanimous rulebook for how to apply VAR amongst the PL refs make PL VAR shit and I am no longer defending its use in the PL because you're doing it 100% wrong No wonder you all hate VAR. The entire purpose of VAR is these are the actual rules and we apply them, not hurdy-gurdy-I-Like-Liverpool, this is a goal!!1. Jesus fucking christ, man How can your REFEREES not manage to reach a unanimous agreement on what the fucking rules of football are?!
  10. It's not that hard to understand, I mean, really. Come on Pre-VAR: Post-game review of all referee decisions, which ones were wrong (by the book) and which ones were correct (by the book)? The average was that 18% were incorrect and 82% were correct. Post-VAR: Post-game review of all referee and VAR decisions, which ones were wrong (by the book) and which ones were correct (by the book)? The average was that 6% were incorrect and 94% were correct. A philosophical debate about who is "interpreting the laws of the game" when making a final call on if a decision was correct or incorrect is another matter entirely.
  11. https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4722849/how-var-decisions-have-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2022-23 https://github.com/kennethleungty/English-Premier-League-VAR-Analysis https://www.premierleague.com/news/1293321 For starters.
  12. In my opinion, reading through the rules quoted by @NUFC, it was correct. I'd go as far as saying the examples of goals that have stood in similar cirumstances were the incorrect decisions.
  13. This misconception is what really bothers me about all this, I think. It's just not the fact. VAR has led to a decreased impact. VAR is continually informing the refs on matters as the game goes on, it's just when they call an official VAR review that it gets "in your face" and people take notice. It's just something new, bright and shiny to blame for decisions not going "your" way. This is just a straight up lie. Correct decisions are up 12% on average across a season, that means VAR is ensuring that the players on the pitch and what they do are what decide who wins the league and who gets relegatated and not a shit referee. "The election was stolen", "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" ad infinitum. The "top six" have fewer ref decisions go their way after the introduction of VAR, it clearly does the opposite and is removing "top club" bias (unless the "top club" is named Liverpool). Now this post here, this post is the truth of the matter. Give VAR to a better standard of referees and you won't have these issues. VAR is still run by ordinary humans who are absolutely shit at their job. This complaint I can 100% get behind. Our shit league in Norway that nobody cares about have spent three years training all league approved referees on how to use VAR. How much training does the PL referee staff have? I checked the PL's official VAR FAQ... What qualifies as a “clear and obvious error”? There was no unanimity among the referees. Different VARs came up with different outcomes. I concede I mean, what the fuck? There's actually no set rules for how the PL VARs intervene? Alright, fuck PL's version of VAR I'm onboard the hate train now.
  14. If you read my post you will find that the clear context of me saying that is following stating that it is now being introduced in Norway after fans have pushed for it for years. I was actually saying that, to my knowledge (and I may be wrong as I don't live in those countries and read their press daily), England seems to be the only countries hating on VAR on a regular basis. Which to me makes it feel like it's a referee standard problem, not really a VAR problem.
  15. The PL is in another league entirely when it comes to VAR being used horribly, tbf. To my knowledge (happy to be proven wrong by any natives of those countries) the English are the only ones really complaining as well. The Norwegian league is introducing VAR this season, everybody is happy as fuck with it and can't wait for it to come into action. Fans have been demanding it being used for years now.
  16. I mean, every industry, medium and platform are extremely different. It's the basic concept being compared, not the lenght of the overreaction. The comparison is that these people are being contrary for the sake of being contrary whilst not acknowledging the fairly obvious positive aspects of the change, postive aspects that outweigh the negative ones.
  17. tl;dr, I feel people complaining about VAR are the same people that would compain about UI changes on Facebook and/or Instagram until, after a good while, admitting that the changes made the user experience better after all.
  18. Happily admit I went a bit OTT with the whinge part I just feel a lot of people on a general basis just oppose "change" no matter what, just because it's not what they've been used to. I can see your point of view on it "not being the same" and all that, but to me, it is. It is essentially just another factor in the game of football that could lead to a disallowed goal or overturned decision. There are other pre-existing factors that could do that as well prior to VAR, like if the ref handed out a red card, the linesman calls the ref over and proceeding to tell him how he saw the incident - then it being changed to a yellow. Same goes for penalties given/not given. VAR is just a lot more visible than those factors were due to the stoppage in game (which on average is only 50 seconds, which is not a lot considering that certain incidents run that average up due to taking a couple of minutes - which in turn increases the negative perception those who already view VAR unfavorably holds). This season we have had 2 goals changed from disallowed to allowed due to VAR. We have had 3 goals disallowed due to VAR. We have scored 39 goals this season, that means we run a current 1 in 13 risk of having a goal overturned due to VAR interference. We have a 1 in 19.5 chance of having a goal changed from disallowed to a goal due to VAR interference. Statistically we have a goal disallowed due to VAR every 8.6 games this season. We score on average 1.5 goals a game. I'm not going to conciously or subconciously withold celebration for something that almost never happens just because it could happen. To me it just feels like being contrary for the sake of being contrary, because looking at the actual numbers and facts, there's absolutely no need to feel that way. As said, goals more often get disallowed due to good old fashioned linesmen flagging for offsides more often than VAR interference. Going back to your first point, you don't know the outcome of VAR checking the goal before you get a VAR review alert. Usually the initial euphoria has already receded by that point, it doesn't remove it. You thought it was a goal, perhaps it turns out it wasn't. Your experience isn't diminished unless you conciously allow it to be diminished by expecting every goal to be overturned, when they quite cleary aren't I, for one, would rather have correct decisions decide the outcome of a game of football rather than the opposite and defending that viewpoint by saying refereeing mistakes "are a part of the game". They shouldn't be if they don't have to be. The fact VAR has had a positive effect on lowering the amount of horrid tackles happening due to players being aware that they'll be penalized by VAR even if the ref doesn't spot the incident is just another positive side effect.
  19. Clubs change to circular badges to make production costs lower, so I have no doubt we'll be doing that sooner rather than later too as we seem to want to generate as much funds as possible to skirt around FFP rules.
  20. So far this season there has been 35 disallowed goals due to VAR. 707 goals have been scored so far this season. That means that there's 1 goal disallowed by VAR for every 20.2 goals scored so far this season. 22 goals have been overturned to goals due to VAR this season. That means there's 1 goal that wouldn't have stood without VAR for every 32.1 goals scored so far this season. The chances of VAR overturning a goal are statistically much smaller than the chance of an offside decision ruling out a goal. It's not about an "inherent understanding of the game". It's about a self-inflicted reluctance to change and wanting something to whine about, being perfectly honest. I've never once not celebrated a goal after the introduction of VAR because "the spectre of a VAR-influenced chalking-off was looming over literally every goal", because I have no need to. The statistical chance of VAR ruling out a goal is lower than the chance of the linesman raising his flag. VAR doesn't "loom over" anything. If it's a goal, it's a goal. If it isn't a goal, it isn't a goal. That's how I want things to be. VAR isn't perfect yet, but as mentioned, the amount of correct decisions made is up to 94% from 82% on average over a PL season. I much prefer 6 in 100 decisions being wrong than 18 in 100. Not gonna stop celebrating goals just because they might get ruled out, never did before VAR and never will with VAR.
  21. If you look at the core numbers for the 19/20 and 20/21 seasons, VAR was unfavorable towards the "Big 6" teams and favorable towards their opponents - by the number of overturned decisions by VAR. In those two seasons, Newcastle placed 5th on favorable overturn decisions. This season so far, Newcastle are placed 4th on favorable overturn decisions. Tottenham are 19th, Man City 18th, Arsenal 13th, Man Utd 11th, Chelsea 10th and Liverpool 3rd. Prior to VAR the average "correct" decisions made by the referees over a PL season was 82%. It's risen to 94% after VAR was introduced. On average, fewer penalties are given with VAR than without VAR. The amount of red cards have decreased on average, theoretically due to players knowing it is harder to get away with obvious fouls with VAR in effect. I can't find it, but I recall from a previous discussion on the matter that on average VAR overturns a lino's wrong offside call more often than the other way around. That stat was globally though, not PL specific.
  22. I disagree with the concept you "can't celebrate" a goal due to VAR existing. It's the same core principle as saying you couldn't "celebrate" a goal in the past because the linesman might've raised the offside flag and you didn't notice before celebrating, so what is the point of celebrating until you see the linesman keeps his flag down? Or what if the ref blows his whistle a few seconds after you've burst into celebration? Can't celebrate before we know the ref doesn't blow his whistle. It's a self-enforced "punishment" that doesn't need to be there. You knew goals could be disallowed for tons of reasons in the past, yet you wouldn't withold your immediate reaction to the goal because of that. The only downside is it takes longer for a goal to be disallowed or not with VAR, however, if VAR worked as intended the game would be a lot more fair overall. I didn't see any of the NUFC fans not celebrating spontaniously when the disallowed goal went in, if you don't celebrate because of some weird issue with "VAR might disallow it" then that's a personal issue, not an issue with VAR. Just fucking celebrate and enjoy the game and then deal with the disappointment after if the goal is disallowed, just as you would've back in the days before VAR where a late offiside call might've disallowed it.
  23. Having been to dinner with Pardew when CSKA Sofia played Bodø/Glimt back in 2021, I have very little negative to say about the entertainment value of his patter. Absolutely displays all signs of a full-fledged narcissist however, every subject, no matter how unrelevant, somehow ended up about him And for what it's worth, which is absolutely nothing, he does appear to absolutely loathe Mike Ashley with a passion. Said he got absolutely no support from him whatsoever and they were left to drown on a sinking ship. The guy clearly lacks the self-insight to realise he boarded that ship willingly, knowing it was already leaking, but yeah
  24. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpOi74fKlia/ I didn't have anywhere near the footage I for some reason thought I had Ah well, this'll do.
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