Kaizero

One more now Japan, come on.

It was mentioned earlier by Madras in reference to Alan Nielsen. Ahh apologies, I lost track of this debate after last night. I guess that one blew his mind though. Probably trying to find Nielsen as we speak to give him a 'stern talking to'.

are you sure ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland#Citizenship_and_identity Its Wikipedia like so could be bollocks. As long as it has sources, which this has, it's not.

If people stopped watching they'd be banned faster than you can say deaf WUM.

Parky is kicking the TV in at the site of that. because it's true.

Looks fucking emptier than the Riverside.

Daft £10 on Japan -1 at 8.25 to make it more interesting.

All fans are blowing them not just the South African fans, or to address your completely ignorant post more accurately, not just the African fans. Everybody blowing them, regardless of nationality, race and culture are all thick as mince, moronic mugs though.

I agree with this, but I almost think they should be forced to join the team they have identity with (absolutely no actual way of doing this). Just because I'm sure there are players who have chosen a nation either a) because they wouldn't get on the team of their actual preferred nation, or b) because their preferred nation is turboshit and they want a chance of going to the world cup/euros/acn/etc. Maybe everyone in the world should have to declare their international sports nation when they're like 8 or 9. Then they wouldn't have the nous to pick tactically! Whilst 8 or 9 is a bit extreme, I think it should be declared when a player signs his first professional contract with a professional club and at 18 at the latest.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you? I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a s*** if it was Cacau that scored. Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German?? Pull the other one Kaiz. He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it. Spot the contradiction. I'm saying I don't agree with the rule, but it's in place so there's nothing I could do with it, so in the event you're describing I would, instead of complaining, move on? Hmmm, I dont understand what you're saying here. You're saying that because a rule is a rule that it shouldnt be changed? Isn't the fact that you don't agree with it tantamount to thinking it should be changed? No, I want the rule for instances like that to be changed. Billy just asked what I would think if Cacau got a pen and scored against Norway in an imaginary final, knowing he's not really German. ...and you're saying that you wouldn't be any more annoyed than if it was anyone else? What if his parents were Norwegian and he was born in Norway? Depends on which of the examples it is. If he'd lived most of his life in Germany, I'd not consider him Norwegian. If he'd only lived there five years, I'd be miffed, but I'd get over it. Maybe, but I definitely think it would be mentioned by you, especially you actually. which is enough to justify other people's P.O.V really. I'd honestly, well and truly, not give a shit. Some of my closest mates are immigrants, I'd have no beef if they wanted to play for either their original country or Norway, but I'd have a beef if they'd not get to choose. And your assumption of someone else's personality through an online forum is not enough to justify anything.

The latter is what would be the end to International football with the way the modern world is today.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you? I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a s*** if it was Cacau that scored. Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German?? Pull the other one Kaiz. He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it. Spot the contradiction. I'm saying I don't agree with the rule, but it's in place so there's nothing I could do with it, so in the event you're describing I would, instead of complaining, move on? Hmmm, I dont understand what you're saying here. You're saying that because a rule is a rule that it shouldnt be changed? Isn't the fact that you don't agree with it tantamount to thinking it should be changed? No, I want the rule for instances like that to be changed. Billy just asked what I would think if Cacau got a pen and scored against Norway in an imaginary final, knowing he's not really German. ...and you're saying that you wouldn't be any more annoyed than if it was anyone else? What if his parents were Norwegian and he was born in Norway? Depends on which of the examples it is. If he'd lived most of his life in Germany, I'd not consider him Norwegian. If he'd only lived there five years, I'd be miffed, but I'd get over it.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. Parky is advocating a complete blanket ban on anything but pure blooded footballers representing their nation. Nothing to do with pure blood or race where you're born is it. English black players play for Eng cause they're born in England not cause they have Caucasian blood. Really quite concerned the amount of insinuations you've managed to level at this thread notwithstand that fifa are worried about it...I supposee fifa, Beckanbauer and half the German nation are talking shit and you living in some skiing village know what's what. Mind boggling. Random insults without trying to back up your point properly is just annoying, you really don't know how to debate something, do you? You're like the NE5 of politics. And it's not the first time the German nation have been talking shit. I've quoted 5 articles backing my point and also the concerns fifa have, but mountain boy who doesn't live in the same country as the person he's agruing wiht knows best. You should work on it, stand up isn't far off. Mountain boy? Really? That's what you're going with? Few countries in Europe accept more immigrants to their country (in comparison to the already established inhabitant number) than Norway, there's few countries that have a better view of just how immigration effects your society in general than Norway. As I said, 700-800 000 in 4.7 Million are people with immigrant background, that's pretty much one in six "Norwegians" with an immigrant background. Saying people with immigrant background should not get to choose between representing their original country or their new country, is an idiotic and old viewpoint. I do not agree with the farming of players when they've reached adulthood, but that's hardly a major problem and will never be a major problem. Just the odd player here and there not really belonging to their country they're representing, and I can look past that. Does your stance on this coincide with there may be a few budding Norwegian internationals amongst these immigrants that have settled in Norway? There already is. Having a problem with that, for any country, is a problem though. It's pretty much calling our new citizens second-rate and unpure. You're putting words into others mouths there Kaiz.,there's a difference between people leaving their country to better themselves financially and culturally and those who just want to play international football and won't get the chance to play for their country,and then do the residence thing to qualify. But we already agree on that viewpoint. I don't want adult footballers to move just to get neutralised to play for another country, but I want people who's lived their entire (or most of) life in a country to be able to get to choose if they want to represent it.

"Josef Klose does not want to be regarded as Polish, declaring himself as Silesian and European, and stating that the success of his son is due to himself and German clubs."

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you? I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a s*** if it was Cacau that scored. Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German?? Pull the other one Kaiz. He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it. Spot the contradiction. I'm saying I don't agree with the rule, but it's in place so there's nothing I could do with it, so in the event you're describing I would, instead of complaining, move on? Hmmm, I dont understand what you're saying here. You're saying that because a rule is a rule that it shouldnt be changed? Isn't the fact that you don't agree with it tantamount to thinking it should be changed? No, I want the rule for instances like that to be changed. Billy just asked what I would think if Cacau got a pen and scored against Norway in an imaginary final, knowing he's not really German.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you? I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a shit if it was Cacau that scored. Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German?? Pull the other one Kaiz. He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it. Spot the contradiction. I'm saying I don't agree with the rule, but it's in place so there's nothing I could do with it, so in the event you're describing I would, instead of complaining, move on?

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. Parky is advocating a complete blanket ban on anything but pure blooded footballers representing their nation. Nothing to do with pure blood or race where you're born is it. English black players play for Eng cause they're born in England not cause they have Caucasian blood. Really quite concerned the amount of insinuations you've managed to level at this thread notwithstand that fifa are worried about it...I supposee fifa, Beckanbauer and half the German nation are talking shit and you living in some skiing village know what's what. Mind boggling. Random insults without trying to back up your point properly is just annoying, you really don't know how to debate something, do you? You're like the NE5 of politics. And it's not the first time the German nation have been talking shit. I've quoted 5 articles backing my point and also the concerns fifa have, but mountain boy who doesn't live in the same country as the person he's agruing wiht knows best. You should work on it, stand up isn't far off. Mountain boy? Really? That's what you're going with? Few countries in Europe accept more immigrants to their country (in comparison to the already established inhabitant number) than Norway, there's few countries that have a better view of just how immigration effects your society in general than Norway. As I said, 700-800 000 in 4.7 Million are people with immigrant background, that's pretty much one in six "Norwegians" with an immigrant background. Saying people with immigrant background should not get to choose between representing their original country or their new country, is an idiotic and old viewpoint. I do not agree with the farming of players when they've reached adulthood, but that's hardly a major problem and will never be a major problem. Just the odd player here and there not really belonging to their country they're representing, and I can look past that. Does your stance on this coincide with there may be a few budding Norwegian internationals amongst these immigrants that have settled in Norway? There already is. Having a problem with that, for any country, is a problem though. It's pretty much calling our new citizens second-rate and unpure.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you? I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a shit if it was Cacau that scored. Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German?? Pull the other one Kaiz. He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. Parky is advocating a complete blanket ban on anything but pure blooded footballers representing their nation. Nothing to do with pure blood or race where you're born is it. English black players play for Eng cause they're born in England not cause they have Caucasian blood. Really quite concerned the amount of insinuations you've managed to level at this thread notwithstand that fifa are worried about it...I supposee fifa, Beckanbauer and half the German nation are talking shit and you living in some skiing village know what's what. Mind boggling. Random insults without trying to back up your point properly is just annoying, you really don't know how to debate something, do you? You're like the NE5 of politics. And it's not the first time the German nation have been talking shit. I've quoted 5 articles backing my point and also the concerns fifa have, but mountain boy who doesn't live in the same country as the person he's agruing wiht knows best. You should work on it, stand up isn't far off. Mountain boy? Really? That's what you're going with? Few countries in Europe accept more immigrants to their country (in comparison to the already established inhabitant number) than Norway, there's few countries that have a better view of just how immigration effects your society in general than Norway. As I said, 700-800 000 in 4.7 Million are people with immigrant background, that's pretty much one in six "Norwegians" with an immigrant background. Saying people with immigrant background should not get to choose between representing their original country or their new country, is an idiotic and old viewpoint. I do not agree with the farming of players when they've reached adulthood, but that's hardly a major problem and will never be a major problem. Just the odd player here and there not really belonging to their country they're representing, and I can look past that.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you? I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a shit if it was Cacau that scored.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. Parky is advocating a complete blanket ban on anything but pure blooded footballers representing their nation. Nothing to do with pure blood or race where you're born is it. English black players play for Eng cause they're born in England not cause they have Caucasian blood. Really quite concerned the amount of insinuations you've managed to level at this thread notwithstand that fifa are worried about it...I supposee fifa, Beckanbauer and half the German nation are talking shit and you living in some skiing village know what's what. Mind boggling. Random insults without trying to back up your point properly is just annoying, you really don't know how to debate something, do you? You're like the NE5 of politics. And it's not the first time the German nation have been talking shit.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. Not what the Poles think though is it? The Poles have, and should have, no say in demanding someone who's almost never lived in their country to play for them.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm astounded that people can't see that unless something is done, richer countries will hoover up young talent. Germany are also in a massively advantagous postion situated as they are in the middle of Europe with a huge multi-german ethnic German diaspora - extended families of Croatians, Serbs, Hungarians, czechs right through to Latvians and now some Russians. Are people really that naive to think that Germany hasn't started to take advantage of that. The modern world is becoming a place without borders, everyone can take advantage of it, as will be highlighted in the coming years when England as well starts picking people with immigrant background. Embrace it and accept it.