Kaizero

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way. Do you understand the the differece in the dialectic of what we call national sports ie tribal and cultural preferance?? Do you understand free choice?

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way. As long as they qualify through heritage it shouldn't matter where you are born.Cacau clearly has no Deutsch claret in him. As I've said, I'm against changing your nationality by the (in most countries) five year rule. I'm just not against people that have lived in a country for their entire life not being able to represent the country they want to, love, and identify themselves with because they weren't born there.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. How is it racist giving smaller african nations and former colonies a better chance at having stronger squads? As I've said, probably the wrong word. It's wrong anyways, in the sense that these players probably in no way identify themselves with the nation they were born in and would not want to represent it. Being forced to represent something you don't want to is wrong, when all laws of modern society will, and should, let you play for the nation you identify yourself as a citizen of. If they do identify themselves with the nation they were born in, then fair enough. It's a choice people with dual nationalities should get to make.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint.

If your folks were Swedes? Then I'd possibly like to have the choice of representing their heritage, but also the choice to represent my country. Why don't we just give up on it all and have a big European side and we can play a Mars 11. ffs! Rather that than what you are suggesting. What am I suggesting? This ain't a japanese video game. You are suggesting that people aren't allowed to represent their country because they weren't born in it. Which is a nazi-Germany way of thinking I'd have hoped most of the world would lose after 1945, but then there's still people out there thinking like you, and it makes me angry to see how ignorant some people are.

If your folks were Swedes? Then I'd possibly like to have the choice of representing their heritage, but also the choice to represent my country. Why don't we just give up on it all and have a big European side and we can play a Mars 11. ffs! Rather that than what you are suggesting.

Nobody is really intersted who plays for Norway and Sweden mate. It's an example to show people just how fucked up and borderline nazi-Germany your viewpoint on the matter is.

If your folks were Swedes? Then I'd possibly like to have the choice of representing their heritage, but also the choice to represent my country.

If I was a footballer, and happened to have been born in Sweden and my parents would have stayed there for a few weeks after the birth before going back to Norway, and I'd then proceed to live my entire life in Norway... I'd never represent Sweden if offered, even if I could never play for Norway because of the way Parky wants football to be. It's an idiotic viewpoint.

It's not fair on the players though, who very well may feel nothing at all for the place they were born.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.) Yeah but your from one of those non-countries so you can never understand. I personally would stick to a birth rule. Man, one of the best things the Greens managed to get through while they were in coalition was to change the German citizenship law so it was finally no longer based on "blood". I don't think Germany should be allowed to recruit promising kids from Poland, Czech, Russia etc. Which if they really wanted to push it they could the way the rules are now. They've been living in Germany since before they became footballers, that's doesn't seem to me like "recruiting". They feel German, they are German, of course they should represent Germany. We should have had Giggs in that case and now Bale and why not those who have played in the Pl for 10 years cause they qualify as well.....You see it starts to make a mockery. Because that's different. I can't believe you don't see where having lived in a country your entire life, but not having been born there, is different to having moved to a country as an adult and then changing your nationality after five years, the latter I too am not for. I'm thinking of the sport not winning votes for New Labour etc... It's an archaic and outdated way of thinking that you're bound by blood to a nation you may very well only have been in a few days, rather than getting to represent the country you've lived in your whole life, loved, and paid your taxes to.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.) Yeah but your from one of those non-countries so you can never understand. I personally would stick to a birth rule. Man, one of the best things the Greens managed to get through while they were in coalition was to change the German citizenship law so it was finally no longer based on "blood". I don't think Germany should be allowed to recruit promising kids from Poland, Czech, Russia etc. Which if they really wanted to push it they could the way the rules are now. They've been living in Germany since before they became footballers, that's doesn't seem to me like "recruiting". They feel German, they are German, of course they should represent Germany. We should have had Giggs in that case and now Bale and why not those who have played in the Pl for 10 years cause they qualify as well.....You see it starts to make a mockery. Because that's different. I can't believe you don't see where having lived in a country your entire life, but not having been born there, is different to having moved to a country as an adult and then changing your nationality after five years, the latter I too am not for.

It stinks of racism and being afraid of change. It's like I would be going "Mohammed Abdellaoue doesn't have a Norwegian name, he can't represent Norway even though he's Norwegian! " when talking about the Norwegian team.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.) Yeah but your from one of those non-countries so you can never understand. I personally would stick to a birth rule. Man, one of the best things the Greens managed to get through while they were in coalition was to change the German citizenship law so it was finally no longer based on "blood". I don't think Germany should be allowed to recruit promising kids from Poland, Czech, Russia etc. Which if they really wanted to push it they could the way the rules are now. They've been living in Germany since before they became footballers, that's doesn't seem to me like "recruiting". They feel German, they are German, of course they should represent Germany.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.) Yeah but your from one of those non-countries so you can never understand. I personally would stick to a birth rule. We've been second best in the world during the 90s, man. And we're the only country that's never lost against Brazil. Birth rules are for nazis, racists and people afraid of "foreigners", simple as. 6 in the German original squad weren't born in Germany. It's not the odd one like. I don't agree with the like of Cacau being in it. But to say people who've had no time to become attached to the country they were born in, aren't allowed to represent the country they've grown up in and learnt to love is just seems... well, in the lack of a better term, racist. It's like saying John Carew can't represent Norway because his father is from Gambia.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.) Yeah but your from one of those non-countries so you can never understand. I personally would stick to a birth rule. We've been second best in the world during the 90s, man. And we're the only country that's never lost against Brazil. Birth rules are for nazis, racists and people afraid of "foreigners", simple as.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.)

I think it's the opposite. I could imagine it feeling like a good atmosphere at the stadium using them.

It's not really their "culture" though, they only became popular about seven/six years ago, they'd managed fully well without them on their own matches before. Who said anything about culture? What's it got to do with culture? I hardly think that if you were invited for a meal at a South African's house they'd get out their antique Vuvuleza collection to show you over coffee. The fact is if that's what they do that's what they do, when they started doing it is neither here nor there. It's defended by FIFA using it as a reason to allow it and so on because they say it's part of South African culture. That's what it has to do with it.

It's not really their "culture" though, they only became popular about seven/six years ago, they'd managed fully well without them on their own matches before.

Pre-world cup friendlies means nothing.

I also think Japan will win, but I wouldn't put my money on it. Will regret that tomorrow I think.

I want to play on the Jap - Cam match, but I'm too scared.

I hope Africa never gets another WC if they're all loving this shit thing. They should have been banned after the Confed Cup tbh.