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Or Owen Hargreaves?

I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult. Btw I'm only 3 nations! As for representing another country, every situation is different. You have Ozil tonight for example, born in Germany to Turkish parents, and he represents Germany. Now by contrast you have Podolski and Klose who are Polish but raised in Germany from very young ages. Now some families that emigrate retain their culture, by only speaking their mother tongue at home for example. Now if you live in Germany but spend all your free time speaking Turkish or Polish then you may still feel a strong connection to that part of your heritage, so the idea of representing them is not entirely alien, when you consider that one of those parents may want you to represent their birth country, it's not quite as bad as is made out. You then have people who move to a country later in life and become bonded to that country, like Liedson, Deco, or Pepe of Portugal, if you qualify as a citizen of a country you can't really stop them representing that country, as they may feel a connection towards it. The problem you have is being sure of the validity of their claim, the best examples of that are Guerrero of Poland and some of the middle eastern nations with Brazilians in their side, it's sad that players will cheapen themselves by clinging to any nationality just to experience a major tournament, but to claim that a player is incapable of gaining a bond with a nation outside of the one in which they were born is slightly naive. More like immensely. You have to decide if you want NATIONAL SPORTS to be about nations or whether they are about CULTURAL PREFERANCES. You don't seem to be able to grasp this, maybe over your head or a victory for social engineering. I national sports to have players that want to represent that nation, and even if someone was born in another country I'd still feel happy they feel Norwegian enough to represent my country. I'd only be opposed the likes of Cacau and random Brazilians playing only because they're too shit to play for their country.

I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult. Btw I'm only 3 nations! As for representing another country, every situation is different. You have Ozil tonight for example, born in Germany to Turkish parents, and he represents Germany. Now by contrast you have Podolski and Klose who are Polish but raised in Germany from very young ages. Now some families that emigrate retain their culture, by only speaking their mother tongue at home for example. Now if you live in Germany but spend all your free time speaking Turkish or Polish then you may still feel a strong connection to that part of your heritage, so the idea of representing them is not entirely alien, when you consider that one of those parents may want you to represent their birth country, it's not quite as bad as is made out. You then have people who move to a country later in life and become bonded to that country, like Liedson, Deco, or Pepe of Portugal, if you qualify as a citizen of a country you can't really stop them representing that country, as they may feel a connection towards it. The problem you have is being sure of the validity of their claim, the best examples of that are Guerrero of Poland and some of the middle eastern nations with Brazilians in their side, it's sad that players will cheapen themselves by clinging to any nationality just to experience a major tournament, but to claim that a player is incapable of gaining a bond with a nation outside of the one in which they were born is slightly naive. The debate isn't about the players and what flavour of pampers they choose (this is where kez is a bit lost) it is about national federations taking advantage and IMO Germany shows all the initial signs of tinkering with the system. 3 LIEONS ON DA SHIRT JEWELS REMAIN STILL GLEAMIN' DONT BAN DA FLAGS U LIEK OUR BENEFITS

I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult. Btw I'm only 3 nations! As for representing another country, every situation is different. You have Ozil tonight for example, born in Germany to Turkish parents, and he represents Germany. Now by contrast you have Podolski and Klose who are Polish but raised in Germany from very young ages. Now some families that emigrate retain their culture, by only speaking their mother tongue at home for example. Now if you live in Germany but spend all your free time speaking Turkish or Polish then you may still feel a strong connection to that part of your heritage, so the idea of representing them is not entirely alien, when you consider that one of those parents may want you to represent their birth country, it's not quite as bad as is made out. You then have people who move to a country later in life and become bonded to that country, like Liedson, Deco, or Pepe of Portugal, if you qualify as a citizen of a country you can't really stop them representing that country, as they may feel a connection towards it. The problem you have is being sure of the validity of their claim, the best examples of that are Guerrero of Poland and some of the middle eastern nations with Brazilians in their side, it's sad that players will cheapen themselves by clinging to any nationality just to experience a major tournament, but to claim that a player is incapable of gaining a bond with a nation outside of the one in which they were born is slightly naive. More like immensely.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way. Do you understand the the differece in the dialectic of what we call national sports ie tribal and cultural preferance?? Do you understand free choice? Between what? Capitalism and Capitalism...? To get to choose the country you want to represent rather than being forced to represent a country you don't want to? It's not a free choice though is it...It's people being drawn to where they can have a better life. I agree with you in the sense that if someone is born and moves say under the age of 3 to somewhere, it isn't really an issue. But technically you'll have to then say it is a cultural rather than a tribal imperative. See what I mean? I think the age limit should be higher, more like 8-9 as you really don't have a choice in the matter then, it's your parents or an adoption agency that moves you to the new country and you don't really have all that many memories from your younger years regardless. If we can agree on that, then we're in agreement.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way. As long as they qualify through heritage it shouldn't matter where you are born.Cacau clearly has no Deutsch claret in him. As I've said, I'm against changing your nationality by the (in most countries) five year rule. I'm just not against people that have lived in a country for their entire life not being able to represent the country they want to, love, and identify themselves with because they weren't born there. Cacau and Tulio are the 2 worst offences imo. Agreed. I don't think Cacau should be playing for Germany, it is actually the one that I started arguing about with some Germans earlier. As I've said again and again, I agree with you regarding adults changing their passports being wrong. I don't agree with forcing people who've lived in a country their entire life, and identify with said country and feel like a citizen of that country being forced to represent a country they don't have any feelings for just because they were born there.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way. As long as they qualify through heritage it shouldn't matter where you are born.Cacau clearly has no Deutsch claret in him. As I've said, I'm against changing your nationality by the (in most countries) five year rule. I'm just not against people that have lived in a country for their entire life not being able to represent the country they want to, love, and identify themselves with because they weren't born there. Cacau and Tulio are the 2 worst offences imo. I thought you didn't mind parentage, I think Tulio is Japanese diaspora. He has a Japanese father, yeah.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way. Do you understand the the differece in the dialectic of what we call national sports ie tribal and cultural preferance?? Do you understand free choice? Between what? Capitalism and Capitalism...? To get to choose the country you want to represent rather than being forced to represent a country you don't want to?

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way. Do you understand the the differece in the dialectic of what we call national sports ie tribal and cultural preferance?? Do you understand free choice?

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way. As long as they qualify through heritage it shouldn't matter where you are born.Cacau clearly has no Deutsch claret in him. As I've said, I'm against changing your nationality by the (in most countries) five year rule. I'm just not against people that have lived in a country for their entire life not being able to represent the country they want to, love, and identify themselves with because they weren't born there.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. How is it racist giving smaller african nations and former colonies a better chance at having stronger squads? As I've said, probably the wrong word. It's wrong anyways, in the sense that these players probably in no way identify themselves with the nation they were born in and would not want to represent it. Being forced to represent something you don't want to is wrong, when all laws of modern society will, and should, let you play for the nation you identify yourself as a citizen of. If they do identify themselves with the nation they were born in, then fair enough. It's a choice people with dual nationalities should get to make.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint.

If your folks were Swedes? Then I'd possibly like to have the choice of representing their heritage, but also the choice to represent my country. Why don't we just give up on it all and have a big European side and we can play a Mars 11. ffs! Rather that than what you are suggesting. What am I suggesting? This ain't a japanese video game. You are suggesting that people aren't allowed to represent their country because they weren't born in it. Which is a nazi-Germany way of thinking I'd have hoped most of the world would lose after 1945, but then there's still people out there thinking like you, and it makes me angry to see how ignorant some people are.

If your folks were Swedes? Then I'd possibly like to have the choice of representing their heritage, but also the choice to represent my country. Why don't we just give up on it all and have a big European side and we can play a Mars 11. ffs! Rather that than what you are suggesting.

Nobody is really intersted who plays for Norway and Sweden mate. It's an example to show people just how fucked up and borderline nazi-Germany your viewpoint on the matter is.

If your folks were Swedes? Then I'd possibly like to have the choice of representing their heritage, but also the choice to represent my country.

If I was a footballer, and happened to have been born in Sweden and my parents would have stayed there for a few weeks after the birth before going back to Norway, and I'd then proceed to live my entire life in Norway... I'd never represent Sweden if offered, even if I could never play for Norway because of the way Parky wants football to be. It's an idiotic viewpoint.

It's not fair on the players though, who very well may feel nothing at all for the place they were born.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.) Yeah but your from one of those non-countries so you can never understand. I personally would stick to a birth rule. Man, one of the best things the Greens managed to get through while they were in coalition was to change the German citizenship law so it was finally no longer based on "blood". I don't think Germany should be allowed to recruit promising kids from Poland, Czech, Russia etc. Which if they really wanted to push it they could the way the rules are now. They've been living in Germany since before they became footballers, that's doesn't seem to me like "recruiting". They feel German, they are German, of course they should represent Germany. We should have had Giggs in that case and now Bale and why not those who have played in the Pl for 10 years cause they qualify as well.....You see it starts to make a mockery. Because that's different. I can't believe you don't see where having lived in a country your entire life, but not having been born there, is different to having moved to a country as an adult and then changing your nationality after five years, the latter I too am not for. I'm thinking of the sport not winning votes for New Labour etc... It's an archaic and outdated way of thinking that you're bound by blood to a nation you may very well only have been in a few days, rather than getting to represent the country you've lived in your whole life, loved, and paid your taxes to.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.) Yeah but your from one of those non-countries so you can never understand. I personally would stick to a birth rule. Man, one of the best things the Greens managed to get through while they were in coalition was to change the German citizenship law so it was finally no longer based on "blood". I don't think Germany should be allowed to recruit promising kids from Poland, Czech, Russia etc. Which if they really wanted to push it they could the way the rules are now. They've been living in Germany since before they became footballers, that's doesn't seem to me like "recruiting". They feel German, they are German, of course they should represent Germany. We should have had Giggs in that case and now Bale and why not those who have played in the Pl for 10 years cause they qualify as well.....You see it starts to make a mockery. Because that's different. I can't believe you don't see where having lived in a country your entire life, but not having been born there, is different to having moved to a country as an adult and then changing your nationality after five years, the latter I too am not for.

It stinks of racism and being afraid of change. It's like I would be going "Mohammed Abdellaoue doesn't have a Norwegian name, he can't represent Norway even though he's Norwegian! " when talking about the Norwegian team.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.) Yeah but your from one of those non-countries so you can never understand. I personally would stick to a birth rule. Man, one of the best things the Greens managed to get through while they were in coalition was to change the German citizenship law so it was finally no longer based on "blood". I don't think Germany should be allowed to recruit promising kids from Poland, Czech, Russia etc. Which if they really wanted to push it they could the way the rules are now. They've been living in Germany since before they became footballers, that's doesn't seem to me like "recruiting". They feel German, they are German, of course they should represent Germany.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.) Yeah but your from one of those non-countries so you can never understand. I personally would stick to a birth rule. We've been second best in the world during the 90s, man. And we're the only country that's never lost against Brazil. Birth rules are for nazis, racists and people afraid of "foreigners", simple as. 6 in the German original squad weren't born in Germany. It's not the odd one like. I don't agree with the like of Cacau being in it. But to say people who've had no time to become attached to the country they were born in, aren't allowed to represent the country they've grown up in and learnt to love is just seems... well, in the lack of a better term, racist. It's like saying John Carew can't represent Norway because his father is from Gambia.

I don't really give a shit where people are born, if they've spent almost all their life, or most of their life, in a country other than the one they happened to be born in, they should be able to represent that country because that's where they're from, even if they were born somewhere else. (Though I do only think this should apply until you reach a certain age, like you have to have settled in a country before you were 8 or 10 or something to be able to represent their football team. I don't like the country swapping going on when people have just lived in a country for five years as an adult.) Yeah but your from one of those non-countries so you can never understand. I personally would stick to a birth rule. We've been second best in the world during the 90s, man. And we're the only country that's never lost against Brazil. Birth rules are for nazis, racists and people afraid of "foreigners", simple as.