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Grouping those two together is a genuine insult to Moyes. I wonder what it would take for Howe to be sacked. For a team that is now meant to be fairly established in the league, their results and performances have been horrendous recently. Has he earned the right to take Bournemouth down?

This could be 5-0 again. Leicester have been below par and leggy, imo, but it has still been easy. The individual errors recently are farcical. I do not care who the manager is, playing the ball slowly across your own box in that manner is inexcusable at any level of the game. Schar and Lejeune should both be dropped for their recent performance, but there is no one to replace them. Notably the best chance at 0-0 fell to Joelinton, who was never going to score. Laughable quality at both ends. Leicester have great quality in midfield and NUFC is trying to compete with a half-injured Shelvey and Hayden. That battle is incredibly one-sided and will only get worse with no changes. This version of 3-5-2 is badly exposing the lack of quality in midfield.

It is not a "joke". It is a law designed to be interpreted by human eyes that is now being taken to the finest margins possible with highly questionable technology and methodology. The margins are far too small for the technology being used, so the solution is either to improve the technology/methodology or decrease the margin. I am genuinely stunned at how terrible VAR has been in the Premier League. It is markedly inferior to when it debuted on the biggest stage at the World Cup, and I was not fond of it at that time, either.

Sometimes I watch Traore and wonder why the guy isn't the best player in the world. He can be incredible at times.

What was Mendy doing?

Away to Man U is almost always a completely rubbish defeat for Newcastle, no matter what the state of that team is, tbf. Last season, they were 2-0 up in the first ten minutes against a team in open mutiny against Jose and still managed to lose. We should just move on and judge them against Everton.

3 goals from laughable mistakes. I don't think Longstaff even looked back. One of the defenders pointed him to pass it back and he just hit it anywhere.

Mistakes kill the confidence of marginally talented teams like Newcastle. The performance level of every single player has dropped after the errors from Dubravka and Schar. I do not believe there is one particular tactical issue that is the root cause.

Wrong. It wouldn't have progressed to that point because the whistle would have blown for the initial foul.

Schar has been disgraceful in the last 15-20 minutes.

Suicide defending. Rubbish.

Getting skinned and grabbing the player's shirt afterwards is usually an automatic booking.

Very saveable shot.

Matty again

With the attacking players available, a 0-0 draw away would be a good result, tbf. It is such a poor group going forward. Ugly is what should be expected.

Ajax will regret the collapse at Stamford Bridge. Going out now unless they or Lille equalise.

He would look horrendous in this team (like Joelinton) and end up chopping bench as he has for the last year. I am a massive fan and happy he looks to be getting his career back on track, but Kelechi is not a player you can just smash the ball at and hope something will happen. Frankly, I think of him more as a #10 or support player that happens to be a very good finisher, rather than the pure target man/striker that this side needs.

The injury was simply down to him over exerting chasing a ball down in the last minute, disappointing. Saying Atsu can do a passable job is complete bollocks. Atsu is no where near the player, it’s ridiculous to suggest he can do half the job. He’ll be a big miss, he’s our out ball at the minute, we’ve nobody else like him. It absolutely isn't bollocks. Atsu's perfectly fine at carrying the ball, he's just got zero end product. ASM has one goal and how many assists? Is it zero? Their contributions therefore aren't going to differ enormously. I'm criticising the system here, not the player. He's clearly very talented but it's not like the team is built around him, or anyone for that matter (aside from when Carroll's on the pitch, when everything becomes about him). ASM's quick and a decent dribbler, so he's only used to be direct, without any real sense of purpose beyond that. As it happens, pace and dribbling is literally all Atsu has - so he can basically just come in and do the same thing. Much lower ceiling talent-wise, obviously. Fair enough the system and the pattern of play will be very similar, but you discounting one of the main benefits of having Saint-Maximin in the side. Opposing players and managers are terrified of him embarrassing them or getting in behind and that affects the way they go about defending against him. He creates space for others that way. Atsu hardly worries the opposition at all, and he has a profile much more similar to Almiron (graft, link play) than ASM.

Man U have done well against the big sides this season and last season with Ole managing. They have teams like Everton, Newcastle, and Watford coming up on the fixture list, and if the pattern of Ole's management continues, they will concede multiple times against these sides and draw or lose. Consistency will be the real test.

Nah, that's rubbish. Rafa never had us looking like this in the Championship and we are playing a team fresh out of the Championship today. Fork off man, this is killing most, we have been superb at a smash and grab and if this was last season we'd be fucking all over Rafa, folk just wont admit it. It's a great result, but the fact is it's been dire. We did not play this way under Rafa against this level of competition. It was really only against Man City and Liverpool for which we were criticised heavily by the same media now claiming we've defended so well. We practically have 11 men in our box against Sheffield United for goodness sake. Knock it off. Rafas teams weren't expansive till after xmas, get points on the board first get safe then shackles off.Same as this season,honestly the criticism is fucking hilarious, we are winning 2-0 away from home in the PL,not east in ANY match. Its pathetic to criticise it tonight I'm not tied to any result. I'm calling it as I see it. I would be sick paying to watch this every game. This is how we play every single game. It's awful. Rafas football was fucking shite anarl man,I loved him for the man he was not his football That's just not true man. Sorry. I mean you cannot say his football was shite and then praise this. It makes no sense because this is definitely infinitely worse. Bruce has removed the centrebacks that use the ball so well, and Longstaff is no longer what he was last year where he kept the ball on the ground and allowed us to play through the front three. Shelvey is now back in and playing long balls that continuously lose us possession. He's scoring which has been good currently, but the team does not function well at all. It's just bad. Bruce is directly mirroring Rafa's tactics, only with an inferior playing staff due to injuries at the back and typical NUFC transfer business taking away the best attackers. I don't understand why some people on here are twisting themselves ten different ways to find some way that things would be different or better under Rafa after two hard-fought results this week. This group has been moulded with a certain ingrained organization and mentality for some time now, which is why they are still in this league despite the deficiencies. Bruce's challenge will be to maintain what has been built and expand upon it going forward, working under the same nonsensical financial limitations as all previous managers under Ashley.

Was listening to a pod the other day which was saying linesmen are basically redundant and only add confusion. I would agree with that sentiment, but the problem then becomes what we are meant to do when players are blatantly offside or goal hanging, which is difficult to see from the referee's position It would be farcical to continue the pattern of play if someone is 10 yards offside and will just lead to more goals overturned via VAR review. The only real solution is for the offside tech to be instantaneous of for the linesman to become competent, but these are equally unrealistic if we are being honest.

I am surprised there haven't been more goals like that one and Kelechi's on Sunday for Leicester (though this probably would have been a goal regardless). The new rules are a big adjustment for defenders and linesman. It is easy for both parties to have a mental lapse when they have been trained a certain way for 20+ years. The main issue is the linesman putting the flag up for marginal offsides decisions, it creates nothing but confusion.

Agreed. Joelinton hasn't shown much and could probably do with sitting out for a match or making an impact from the bench. Carroll has the potential to be a threat, the main concern is that he may need to get euthanised by halftime.

My favourite bit was when Mings felt like he couldn't celebrate a goal until the guys in the office watched it in microscopic detail 14 times. My favourite bit was when the linesman incorrectly ruled out Iheanacho's goal and then VAR overruled them and the goal was correctly rewarded with massive celebrations on the Leicester bench Spoils celebrations though apparently. Yep Can you give me an example? Tyrone Mings against Man U Also El Ghazi against Newcastle in Villa's previous match. Human psychology is funny. I believe everyone is comfortable when we are talking about situations like Kelechi's on Sunday, reversing offside decisions that have given incorrectly for legitimate goals that are close calls (though this situation should not really exist if referees follow protocol). However, when a goal is taken away for a players boot being a centimetre offside based on the same "science", it feels like an injustice. The only way I can see it truly functioning properly is if we can remove linesman from the offside decisions entirely and have the referee communicating directly with VAR.

Fantastic hit by Shelvey. Manchester City are complete rubbish at defending, very disorganised.