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But rumours don't end after ninety minutes, or even a week. If they're all mixed in with each other then it becomes really tedious keeping up with developments in the one particular rumour that you're interested in. Time seems to be just about the worst thing to organise them with, to me anyway. If that rumour develops in any sort of way then surely it will stay at the forefront of the rumour thread?? Exactly. Rumours are rumours, they stay in the rumour thread that week and any developments or updates go into which ever week it is. If it comes something serious a new thread is made for that actual transfer. It doesn't seem that difficult to me to maintain, i'm sure James would love to deal with it no probs. Eh? So you're saying that we should just have one huge rumour thread? Well if you are, then you lads must have a lot more time on your hands than I do, if you're happy to wade your way through page after page of random rumours on the off chance that there's been some movement on the on particular rumour that you actually think/want to happen. Also, I don't see how this thread can tail off at the end of each week. The only way would be for one of us to arbitrarily lock it and cut off any conversations in their prime only to open the next week's version of the exact same thread. What exactly would be the point of that!?! Not only that, but you seem to be proposing that some poor fucker has to read every single post and sift out the tiny flakes of actual information from amongst the gallons of steaming effluent and put them in a separate thread, which will then somehow remain effluent free - Is no-one allowed to post in it then? - I doubt even James would want to do something as mind-numbing as that, I'm certainly not doing it, reading a thread like that sounds like more work than I prepared to do already!! Forgive me if I've got the wrong end of the stick here - I kinda think I must have because it looks like a total nightmare to me - if I have please explain it too me because I obviously don't get it at all. What aspect of a rumour would you be interested in that doesnt develop beyond the first few pages? EDIT You know the difference between a thread, a board, and a forum, right? In that case ^^

Strange one this, really surprised that Allardyce has done so badly, thought his revolutionary methods would really prove to be a success for the club, maybe its the physical style of football at Bolton under SA that meant they didnt need to be a CV fit as they should of been. Maybe this is why Bolton are struggling to adapt to a knew type of football. Would be interesting to see how many second half goals Bolton conceeded compared to us.

Chelsea without a shadow of a doubt, absolute hollow club. The only thing that is good about them is that they have improved the quality of the premiership by a country mile.

But rumours don't end after ninety minutes, or even a week. If they're all mixed in with each other then it becomes really tedious keeping up with developments in the one particular rumour that you're interested in. Time seems to be just about the worst thing to organise them with, to me anyway. If that rumour develops in any sort of way then surely it will stay at the forefront of the rumour thread?? Exactly. Rumours are rumours, they stay in the rumour thread that week and any developments or updates go into which ever week it is. If it comes something serious a new thread is made for that actual transfer. It doesn't seem that difficult to me to maintain, i'm sure James would love to deal with it no probs. Eh? So you're saying that we should just have one huge rumour thread? Well if you are, then you lads must have a lot more time on your hands than I do, if you're happy to wade your way through page after page of random rumours on the off chance that there's been some movement on the on particular rumour that you actually think/want to happen. Also, I don't see how this thread can tail off at the end of each week. The only way would be for one of us to arbitrarily lock it and cut off any conversations in their prime only to open the next week's version of the exact same thread. What exactly would be the point of that!?! Not only that, but you seem to be proposing that some poor fucker has to read every single post and sift out the tiny flakes of actual information from amongst the gallons of steaming effluent and put them in a separate thread, which will then somehow remain effluent free - Is no-one allowed to post in it then? - I doubt even James would want to do something as mind-numbing as that, I'm certainly not doing it, reading a thread like that sounds like more work than I prepared to do already!! Forgive me if I've got the wrong end of the stick here - I kinda think I must have because it looks like a total nightmare to me - if I have please explain it too me because I obviously don't get it at all. What aspect of a rumour would you be interested in that doesnt develop beyond the first few pages? Cant see why having a seperate forum full of rumour threads would be any different to having one in this one, i mean rumours that dont develop on the main forum usually fall to the bottom or are turned into a different topic.

But rumours don't end after ninety minutes, or even a week. If they're all mixed in with each other then it becomes really tedious keeping up with developments in the one particular rumour that you're interested in. Time seems to be just about the worst thing to organise them with, to me anyway. If that rumour develops in any sort of way then surely it will stay at the forefront of the rumour thread??

And if we had any other striker at the time scoring goals I'm sure he would have been popular too. It seems to bother you that people like him which is something you will have to sort out yourself. It only really bothers me when people actually behave like morons and put their love for a player about the love for the team, i.e. when they booed the substitution. Apart from this I just strongly disagree with the judgement of some people regarding a player's (like)ability. I don't see any reason to sort this out tbh. So you don't rate him as a player. You could have just said that and left it there tbh instead of whinging on about people only liking him because he cost a big fee and has a few decent youtube compilations, which is bollocks quite frankly. So basically you are just whinging about me whinging. I think it is quite obvious that I don't rate him - or better don't rate him as much as others do. I don't retract from my comments about the fee and the youtube videos. I see them as a perfect explanation why some ordinary players are getting totally overhyped. And for Skirge: You think Keegan backed down to fan's pressure? Hilarious. But if so, are other people allowed to boo Martins if one of his poor touches or stupidly lost balls results in the opponent scoring late in a game? Another rhetorical question btw... But at the end of the day, he's a striker who has scored goals and been instrumental in the scoring of other goals. Noone claims that he's one of the best strikers in the world, no one is saying that he is as good as Tevez or Berb or Drog, people just seem aprecitaive of his input to the team since he's been here and his general personality. I genuinely dont see what more he could do. I just cant see too many "average" strikers ecplising what Martins has done so far in his Nufc career. You have to ask yourself who else you class as avergae like Martins and ask if they could influence the results of as many games as Martins has with his goals and therefore saving the club from relegation. If not, then you#re describing something of a paradox.

Like who? Sibi? The point is that he was the one who got those goals, not anyone else but him. You cannot under any circumstance take that away from him and they were the goals that took us away from the relegation spots. Also this season he has been instrumental in our recent run, helping us save us from releagation as well. Not the only player but defintely one who stands out for me anyway. As for your second point, no one is saying he dragged the team single handedly but he scored some excellent goals for us, AZ Alkmaar, Levia Waregam(?), Blackburn, Spurs, they were games people rememeber. Fair point, but he's always reiterated his desire to stay here, he could of kept quiet like Zog or Owen but instead he has been very complimentary to the club, not only that but it shows at times on the pitch where he is one of only a handful of players trying to put in 100% every game. Sure, its fine to love the best things in life, but is everything you love the best? Its his unpredictablitly thats makes him so exciting and frustrating, i can see where your coming from though, i guess im one of those people that get excited when he's on the ball, take the goal against Spurs recently(in fact take all his goals against them), i love watching that goal becasue there isnt a single player in the squad who would of scored the goal like that. The bottom line though is that he is a striker who has scored a decent amount of goals in very poor circumstances, he's done his job. I dont think anyone should take that away from him, i can easily see why peoples love him. I think the key is is that people predominantly love Martins the person more so than they love Martins the player.

I can completely see why the fans give him this "strange love", and have no issue with fans loving him either, he's played in some terrible sides and has saved us from relegation once, arguably twice now. Despite this his commitment and attitude towards the club have been completely unquestionable. The thing is, is that if you look through this thread you'll not find too many people saying he's as good as or will be as good as players like Drogba or Adebayor because they do realise he probably wont be able to put his obvious talent together, but you will see alot of people appreciating his comments towards the club, his commitment on the pitch and the edge he gives to the side. If you cant love a player who is 100% commited to a club, gives 100% everytime he's on the pitch and gives us some fanstatic footballing moments then who can you love??

I dont understand how if nani was big Man U target then how did he get to the situation that he was about to sign for you? That doesnt sound like a club that was properly involved, that sounds like a hijacked move, completely the opposite to what happened with Bale who was courted by both clbs for along time. Although this is a bit of a poor example, we beat Liverpool to Owen, liverpool who were unwilling to pay the stupid amounts that we were, what's to say that they same wouldnt happen with another player of similar calibre? Imnot advocating that thats the right way to go about things but its another example of a smaller clubbeating a bigger club to a signing. Also theres an assuption that one of the big teams in england would be in for a player we're after. We arent going for the likes of Nani, or Veloso or even Berbatov, players who are being openly courted by some big sides, we are going for the slighlty less fashoinalbe category. i dont think its certaintly that we will sign these players, but just from the way Ashley conducts himself and Keegans speaks i dont think its an absoltuely riidiculous idea either.

I genuinely see no reason why the sigining Ronaldihno isnt a possiblity, West Ham were close to gettin Adriano, Man City seem to be in for Ronnie too, Keegan has made it abundantly clear that he is cosidering what seem like completely unrealisitc targets, a couple of months weeks ago id of thought that this talk of Henry, Ronaldihno and Deco was ludicrous, but i have this massive feeling that all this talk isnt pie in the sky and has some founding, i just can help but feel that Ashley would love to bring a big player to Newcastle, ifno to entertain himself, then definitely for the benefit of the club. Our only problem and major problem is that the likes of Milan seem to be sniffin around as well, if it was another big teamin Spain i would still be quite confident but with a big team in another league (another challenge) then i cant see this being pulled off for thoe reasons and those reasons alone. Can see the same happening with Henry for what its worth, dont know why but i think Inter will get his signature.

I dont hink its coincidence that our improvemn as a teamhas occured when Martins was in the team agaisnt Birmingham, i think he's very important because he provdis a decent outlet and applies pressure on the opposition defence like no one else. Owend Viduka can easily be marked out the game wen th pressure is on us, but with Martins in the side not only does he come deep, makng it dfficul to mark, but he can apply the pressure on the defence stright away, unlike any other of our players. This is vital to the team.

Was reading the mackems "realistic summer transfer" thread the other day and was thinking what a crazy bunch of delusional idiots they were, saying that Keane should go for the likes of Bentley or Martins. Then I come here and see us seriously talking about Henry, Deco and Ronaldinho. Keegan has already intimated that some of the targets he has in his head are big names. "Maybe im dreaming" well what kind of sigining would mak him give himself that assessment. I genuinely think that there are some big signings in there, Spurs beat Man U to Bale, albeit with a 5th place finish under there belt the previus season, Man City signed some CL players who would of been coveted by some big Euroean sides, despite finishing poorly the previous seaosn, well we are a team with fresh impetus, and a solid foundation to build something huge on. What is to stop us signing players like Deco, Henry and Ronnie who a few years ago were on the radar of some of the biggest clubs in the world and now are part of a pack of players who dont have the star quality they once had. There are countless sides in the past who have upped there own levels of ambitions by outlaying a lot of cash and getting the big players, with obviously varying degrees of succes, why cant we be any different. Lazio, Roma, Man City, Villa, Newcastle, Chelsea, Betis, Athletico Madrid, Leeds. Now im not comparing Newcastle to these clubs in the direct sense, but im saying that they all have demonstrated that dspite there varying history and circumstance they have all showed the ability to sign big big player by outlaying cash. Why cant we be any different? Its all there.

I think Deco would be far more valuable to side, regarding other transfers. To sign a player ike Deco woud be a big coup, arguably more of a coup than signing Bentley, for me Deco is absoltue class and always has been, therefore making it unfair to compare him to the likes of Kluivert and Luque, he has that drive to suceed at all levels and i see no reason why it would any different here. However, I absolutely see the merits of signing Bently, he is proving himself to be an excellent player, but for the short term we need to put a stamp on the direction we want to be going and for me Deco offers that stamp. More so than Bentley ever will. (in my opinion). I think it coes down to who holds the most long term value to the club, an for me that wuld be Deco.

Good poll, i dont think this poll is an simple as people are making out, its always diffcult to back the signing of an ageing player possibly on the way down, especially against a player on the way up, but for me i think Deco would probably be the most value to the club. Deco is a world class and world reknowned player, he would be a tell tale sign of the direction that this club wants to be. His value would be felt both on the pitch and also financially, as he wouldin essence pay for himself. For me it comes down to the value Deco has to the club, and i cant think of too many players who wouldnt want to play with player like Deco. Deco for me.

Excellent criteria.

Not going to happen. Why not?

Adriano would be an absoltely immense signing as well, would be immense in the PL as well, i know he has a huge amount of baggage but i beleive if he's able to enjoy his football and have a team built around him he could thrive here. I genuinelyf eel that there are some surprisingly big targets going by some of Keegans quotes.

Henry the player would probably not want him here, psossibly too much baggage, but Henry an an asset would be massiviely useful for the club. Business wise it would probably make sense to sign him, but i feel we'vebeen down this "business before football" route before and would like to see more impetus on signing players looking to reach there peak rather than ones who have already had it.

What about Ronaldihno? Has he actually been mentioned in the thread? I think that he could be a target.

Dont like Crouch here either, doesnt strike me as the typeof striker that Keegan would want either. His healthy knack of popping up ad scroign the odd important goal has disguised the fact that actually he's a very avergae layer who desnt really excel in any particular aspect of his game.

£15m seems a lot of money for him, but as has been mentioned earlier, he'd be a player that pays for himself and would also improve the team massively. Think we're desperate for a DM though, would absolutley love Veloso head in the tclouds type signing.

Yeah, I was about to say something similar. Who cares about the money? He's a class act. If Keegan wants the player and Ashley is willing to stump up and this doesn't have a negative impact on our ability to buy/keep other players, then why not? I'd love to see Deco in a black and white shirt. I tink its important to be business smart, not in the penny pinching sense but the overpaying for players that arent 100% worth overpaying, to me, Deco is an excellent player no doubt but i dont think he warrants that sort of silly money. This businnes needs to be run on a sustainable level, we have no debt now and that is excellent but the club has been geared toward having a sustainable long term future and pissing money up the wall on players with definite shelf life isnt what id call sustainable. I can see the merit in signing someone who is unquestionably worth the money. One thing to remember if we're talking business is it's not just about the outlay, you have to take what the player would bring in in terms of income. If Deco shifts a s***-load of shirts and more importantly gets us playing regular European football then £15m will be quickly recouped. That's why a team like LA Galaxy can take the "risk" on shelling out an obscene amount of money of someone like Beckham, he's guaranteed to actually earn them money, a lot of money, in fact he's probably paid for himself already, they may have even turned a profit on him by now. Deco's not in the same league as Beckham in terms of income generation, but you can't dismiss the fact that he'd be likely to bring in a decent wedge for the club. Good point!

Yeah, I was about to say something similar. Who cares about the money? He's a class act. If Keegan wants the player and Ashley is willing to stump up and this doesn't have a negative impact on our ability to buy/keep other players, then why not? I'd love to see Deco in a black and white shirt. I tink its important to be business smart, not in the penny pinching sense but the overpaying for players that arent 100% worth overpaying, to me, Deco is an excellent player no doubt but i dont think he warrants that sort of silly money. This businnes needs to be run on a sustainable level, we have no debt now and that is excellent but the club has been geared toward having a sustainable long term future and pissing money up the wall on players with definite shelf life isnt what id call sustainable. I can see the merit in signing someone who is unquestionably worth the money.

Seems especially dear seeing as though they got Henry for £16m.

Yeah, but is that realistic or would we just be wasting our time by setting our sights too high? Id of thought that Diego may of been a more realisitc target than Deco, Deco is playing in a far superior team with a far superior league to Diego he is also a world reknwned player, whereas Diego is a player who hasnt quite made it onto the world stage which is manly down to the team and league he plays for.