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Yes, it was Bobby that transformed our side. He was always going to sign a quick forward & direct winger (as the bids for Jeffers & Zenden prove) & build the teams attacks around Shearer. Our current squad is crap, I suggest you look at the league table if your not taking on board what is banded around here. I think you are underselling the value that Robert and Bellamy had to that side. How can you attribute it all down to SBR?? Surely by that measure you're saying we'd of had the same success had Zenden and Jeffers signed, even though both tunred out to be pap despite playing for decent managers. Ive had a look at the table, thanks and it only reiterates my point. Surely you arent actually suggesting that the position of the club in the league at the moment is actually an accurate assessment of the quality we have in our squad. Are you??

Well i just think he's an amazing talent, he's already achieved a considerable amount in his short career, (CL semi, Euro 2004 Finalist, World Player of the year 3rd, 60-70 goals for Man U as a winger in 4 season(?), 20 goals at international level) For me he's proved himself to an extent at every single level, its unfair to call him a bottler because of the CL Semi final when in reality the whole team misfired), the likes of Zidane achieved personal glory at a much older age, its kind of unfair to directly compare the like s of Ronaldo to Zidane because as far as im concerned a midfileder has far more oppurtunity to control a game, and make a difference whereas its harder for a winger. If we were to consider the greatest winger then he'd be up there with the likes of Best so why not put him in with the likes of Zidane? Well maybe I'm prejudiced against wingers (if Ronaldo is even one), but I'd say in terms of the most impact a position can have, in my very quickly-formed opinion, it goes.. Strikers = Center mids/playmakers > Centerbacks > Wingers = GKs > Fullbacks Maybe this will explain why all the 'greats' in my head tend to be strikers/cms/traditional #10s? So if you're a winger, you're pretty much ruled out from ending up as a 'great' because of the position you play. So if you say Ronaldo is a winger, that'll be my explanation of why he isn't, and won't, end up being mentioned along the likes of Zidane. Well thats fair enough, in the end its all about personal opinions. In my opinion Ronaldo is the perfect attacking player, i genuinely cannot see any flaw to his game and he's already achieved a fair bit so i'm inclined to say he is up there with the likes of Zidane. Hopefully Portugal will achieve some long overdue success and maybe then he'll start to get the accolades i think he deserves. As for your ranking list, id actually put CM as the exclusively most important position. Look at nufc, its fair to say we have a decent forward attack whihc is being rendered useless because of our CM.

Because he takes cheating to new heights, unlike MOST of the others mentioned on here. Aye, Maradonna et al were absolute saints, to be fair to him he gets the s*** kicked out of him and has made a concious effort to cut down on it. No excuses though. I haven't seen one sign of any reduction in his cheating. He's still as bad as he was in Euro04, when he didn't get the 'best young player' accolade due to his cheating. id disagree with that to be honest, think he's reduced it massively although obviously he hasnt completely erdicated it.

Well i just think he's an amazing talent, he's already achieved a considerable amount in his short career, (CL semi, Euro 2004 Finalist, World Player of the year 3rd, 60-70 goals for Man U as a winger in 4 season(?), 20 goals at international level) For me he's proved himself to an extent at every single level, its unfair to call him a bottler because of the CL Semi final when in reality the whole team misfired), the likes of Zidane achieved personal glory at a much older age, its kind of unfair to directly compare the like s of Ronaldo to Zidane because as far as im concerned a midfileder has far more oppurtunity to control a game, and make a difference whereas its harder for a winger. If we were to consider the greatest winger then he'd be up there with the likes of Best so why not put him in with the likes of Zidane? Cristiano's not a winger iyam. What makes you say that? This year to be fair he's had more of a free role whereas last year he was definitely mainly a winger, last year he was scorer and provider woith something like 20 odd assits and 24 goals, this years he's been all about the goals, 33 goals 4 assists. Primarily though i would still classify him as a winger.

Well i just think he's an amazing talent, he's already achieved a considerable amount in his short career, (CL semi, Euro 2004 Finalist, World Player of the year 3rd, 60-70 goals for Man U as a winger in 4 season(?), 20 goals at international level) For me he's proved himself to an extent at every single level, its unfair to call him a bottler because of the CL Semi final when in reality the whole team misfired), the likes of Zidane achieved personal glory at a much older age, its kind of unfair to directly compare the like s of Ronaldo to Zidane because as far as im concerned a midfileder has far more oppurtunity to control a game, and make a difference whereas its harder for a winger. If we were to consider the greatest winger then he'd be up there with the likes of Best so why not put him in with the likes of Zidane?

Because he takes cheating to new heights, unlike MOST of the others mentioned on here. Aye, Maradonna et al were absolute saints, to be fair to him he gets the shit kicked out of him and has made a concious effort to cut down on it. No excuses though.

In my opinion Bergkamp was more talented than Henry but Henry got the absolute maximum out of his talent. Ronaldo for me, i think this big game thing is a bit of a myth, although no doubt there are stats whihc may show otherwise, but that game against Roma last year was one of the single best perfomrances ive seen from an individual for awhlie ( I know Smith got one as well but....)

Not looking to bash this thread at all, but it seems nowadays people are desperate not to give Ronaldo the accolades he probably deserves. Im not sure why, but in my personal opinion he is the best player on the planet at the mo. He's onyl 23 and is nowhere near his peak which is scary, him and Messi are the stand out talents of football at the mo and for me, Ronaldo has already done enough to be considered in the same list as the likes of Zidane and Best. I rate him that highly.

So what are you implying? That its a bit of a myth that those 2 transformed our side. I genuinely dont think that this current squad is absent of quality to the extent that is banded around this forum and that it will take a couple of things to get us back up the league, for me, its obvious quality in obvious position, namely DM, RW and AM but also a delibirate injection of pace throughout the squad. If we are to have faith in Keegan then its fair to say that he'll hopefully get the same results that SBR got with his signings.

Took 2 players to transform our side once already, cant see why it cant be the same now. I think people are being over dramatic with regards to the quality i our side. Are there actually many people out there who think that player for player we deserve to be in the posisiotn we are in now? Am i the only one who thinks that as of yet we yet to see the best of the current team. 3 to 4 players would be ample. DM, RW, AM and a CB/CF. Think Keegan rates Taylor highly to be honest, so i think he'll stick with the Faye and Tayl combination, see if it can blossom a little bit.

Think he's been pretty unlucky to be honest. Would be sad to see him leave and probably watch him develeop into the player he could be at another team. Think HTT is underselling Zog's reasons for leaving to be honest. I 100% sympathize with Zog. To say that he should be happy and grateful at a club like ours because he plays occasionally and gets paid for it is oversimplyfying the football equation. In al fairness to the boy he's 21 years old, and has played under 5 manager. He's seen a club go nothing but down,has had his talent recognized by all managers and fans yet he still hasnt had the run he deserves. Add the the fact he suffered hugely difficult times for anyone let alone a 19 year old in a different country, had his father figure sold (albeit for being poor) and has had a player who isnt by any mean deserved of the position play in front of him and i fully understadn why he'd want to leave. Saying he should be happy because he's getting paid is such a simplistic naive view.

Cant see us getting anything out this game to be honest, just think Spurs are too strong at home. 2-0 Spurs

That half a right foot whacked in an absolute screamer earlier on this season against Big Sam's Bolton. Took the fat b****** completely by surprise if I recall. Probably too busy studying stats to register anything out of the box tbh. Ok, a right foot which allows him a better change of direction.

Still think he was the mole who said the team talk at Arsenal was sh*t, if so he won't be back. What makes you say that? To be fair, not heard anything since, i thought Taylor was widely tipped as the mole? Also, it was Allardyce who said there was a mole, surely Keegan wouldnt act so abruptly?

McKay can't force anyones hand. Someone will have to pay quite a lot to buy N'Zogbia being on a 5 year contract and all. Wouldnt say yes to anyhting under £8m to be honest. That'll be the price, young foriegn talent who hasnt got a big reputation yet despite his obvious talents.

No thank you, would be annoyed if he came to be honest, dont think he's done as a player, but a player who's staure would force the managers hand somewhat selection wise, which means one less place in the team for another player to prove himself, this club needs to kick on and start looking for long term acquisitions, I would be pissed if Ashley orchestrated this move. Dont get me started on what the media would do if Beckham came and didnt get in the squad....PR disaster.

If he had half a right foot he's already be a much better player than he is now. I'd honestly be desperate to keep him, i think its imperative to have players who genuinely frighten opposition players and Zog is definitely one of those, he's only 21. Been well unlucky with the managers he's played under dont blame him for being pissed off having seen Duff in front of him. Would be sad to see him go, id expect to see him in North London if he went though.

He couldnt anyway!! It only for players over the age of 28 i think.

Reminds me off Albert, surprsied Keegan let him go considering the small squad we had.

Good signing for them i suppose, Shola's a bit of a conundrum, has played football domestically at the highset level but is difficult to call him a Premiership player. I'm not sure he'll do any good there to be honest, the service wont be half as good as it was under the SBR years and he hardly prospered then. Having said that he didnt do to badly When Roeder got us playing like a Championship team so who knows. Kind of sad to see a local player go but glad his talent has finally been recoginised.

Cult hero - Thats the phrase i was after. Definitely a cult hero.

If Wenger cant get the best out of him then i think its a safe bet that we wouldnt either...no thanks although good player.

I think Martins is kind of already a United legend in the same sense that Tino is. Player that split the fans who was excting and unpredictable.

No but he's foreign, innit.

To be fair, he lost his place when his wife gave birth rather than being dropped Is that right?? I didnt realise. I thought he was quality with Taylor but i remember Taylor making a mistake and Allardyce dropping him because of it and Roz just didnt ever quite look as assured or as comfortable as he was with Taylor. I think Taylor got dropped for Cacapa which messed Roz up cos Cacapa took his place as the "sweeper" and Roz struggled to be the "wall" and it showed. Seems like he was screwed by a series of unfortunate events.