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You had a go at Robson for losing his marbles then were happy to use something he said later, when he was older. Do you think Keegan has now lost his marbles? I answered your question when you asked it earlier, you replied to my reply. Is that "nasty man" you refer to the same one who embarrasses you for wearing his shirt in with the fans or is it the one who lets his mouth go in a brothel? Which one of the two embarrass you? no Keegan hasn't lost his marbles. It is likely that a man of 72 may now and again lose his marbles. The only thing that embarrasses me is the team fighting relegation battles and not trying to punch its correct weight, but I've told you this already. You don't mind this though so long as he doesn't call you nasty names. Your long term chip on your shoulder towards a chairman and board who qualified for europe more than everyone but 4 other clubs and gave us our only 3 consecutive top 5 league postitions in 50 years is funny if it wasn't so tragic. So what was our correct weight when we were came 5th after all those CL qualifications? Were you embarressed for the 4 years that proceeded that 5th place finish? Why, when we havent been punching our correct weight for the past 4 years is it Ashleys and Morts fault?? Honestly NE5, you have such a blinkered view onthe club its unreal. Its so funny seeing you drag threads out like this and repeat the same lines over and over again ad infitum. My guess, is that somehow you benefitted from the previous boards tenureship and that now they have gone you have lost those beeneifts which is the reason that you are intent on attacking the board.

According to Keegan we had money to spend in January, unless you know better. what exactly are you commenting on here, because it certainly isn't what you clipped as mick clipped the question and answered an imaginary one instead, here it is again. bump. I clipped the post, just like I usually do, thanks for highlighting where you expect people to accept what you quote from Keegan. You were the same with Sir Bobby, he said something you didn't agree with so you put it down to him losing his marbles, he said something later that you agreed with and all of a sudden his marbles were restored. thats right, Bobby Robson was 72, Keegan is still not yet 60 and the quote in question was a long time ago. To repeat my earlier that you declined to reply : "Fletcher, Hall Jnr and Shepherd. Hall Snr didn't want to sack Ardiles. According to Keegan, unless you know better whats the matter, does it pain you to admit a fact ? That nasty man who hurt your little feelings..........terrible. " The simple fact is that you are making excuse after excuse for our current position because you can't bring yourself to admit that what I say is true. I think he's trying to say that one moment you'll take Keegans word and quotes as gospel , i.e the Ardiles thing, but then the minute Keegan has a direct quote saying money is available (which doesnt fit your agenda) all of a sudden he's being lied to or his quote are media friendly ones masking the truth etc.... Spot the double standard. like I said, Keegan is going to come out at this stage and say it. The alternative is you are blaming him for our possible relegation. So are you or are you not ? I also realise you are pleased we didnt' waste any money in January, so can't really complain about our current situation. Well to be honest, i struggle to see what more the board could of done having Keegan said that money was available and having had bids accepted by Boro to back that point up. Honestly speaking, from an impartial point of view, Allardyce has to take the main amount of the blame for losing loads of points when we had easier fixtures, however Keegan has to shoulder some as well, i dont think his tactics have been perfect to be honest, being beaten 5-1 at home is not something that a team like ours should expect as a given. As for your last line......i can say the same thing over and over again and stil not get through to you, so whats the point. EDIT: Also, what has keegan got to gain by saying money is available if it isnt? What an absurd thing to imply. Why make a fool of himself with quote after quote reiterating the passion that the owner has for the club if you know all along that its bull. What a load of crap.

It says you had to go all the way back to 1999 to find one? It's a single example, just like you are using a single example to draw your conclusions. Like for like tbf. except that we are in the worst position since winning promotion, as soon as the Halls and Shepherd have left the club. Continue to ignore this if it doesn't suit your "opinion" So you attribute the current position directly to the board? How much do you think we'll get to spend this summer. Put your money where your mouth is, seeing as though Mort is shit, you've read his quotes, you have a good idea as to what to expect having been around in the 1920's. What amount will our shit board give us, if any? You seem adament.

According to Keegan we had money to spend in January, unless you know better. what exactly are you commenting on here, because it certainly isn't what you clipped as mick clipped the question and answered an imaginary one instead, here it is again. bump. I clipped the post, just like I usually do, thanks for highlighting where you expect people to accept what you quote from Keegan. You were the same with Sir Bobby, he said something you didn't agree with so you put it down to him losing his marbles, he said something later that you agreed with and all of a sudden his marbles were restored. thats right, Bobby Robson was 72, Keegan is still not yet 60 and the quote in question was a long time ago. To repeat my earlier that you declined to reply : "Fletcher, Hall Jnr and Shepherd. Hall Snr didn't want to sack Ardiles. According to Keegan, unless you know better whats the matter, does it pain you to admit a fact ? That nasty man who hurt your little feelings..........terrible. " The simple fact is that you are making excuse after excuse for our current position because you can't bring yourself to admit that what I say is true. I think he's trying to say that one moment you'll take Keegans word and quotes as gospel , i.e the Ardiles thing, but then the minute Keegan has a direct quote saying money is available (which doesnt fit your agenda) all of a sudden he's being lied to or his quote are media friendly ones masking the truth etc.... Spot the double standard.

I heard he doesnt like Keegan as well. Also, there are quotes from Keegan saying thathe'd already given his word to Tottenham as we had tried to hijack the move. How does that tie in?

I think we were the first, but not the last. i cant rememeber it being done since. That surely reitierates the importance of Bellamy's goal. Tinos goals versus Barcelona.

According to Keegan we had money to spend in January, unless you know better. what exactly are you commenting on here, because it certainly isn't what you clipped as mick clipped the question and answered an imaginary one instead, here it is again. bump. What point are you trying to make about the board NE5? Just to clarify because i get the ipression you're against them. Are you saying that they are taking us for a ride and that the board isnt going to back us in summer? If you feel so strongly about the current board would you put your reputation on the line and make a prediction to the amount of funding we'll get this summer. After all, you've read the quotes from the chairmen, and you've been around when similar things were said so 'you know what you're talking about.'

Shearers record? Alberts goal vs Man U? A little off topic, but are we the only club in the champions league to of lost thier first 3 games and still qualifid for the next round?

As you believe that had Robson not been sacked we would have recovered from the team's decline and got back in the CL, I assume that you believe they had the ability to do that given the right manager in charge? Conversely, as we're in the business of speculating, if Ashley had bought the club in Summer 2004, do you think he would have ignored the majority of supporter's disquiet at team performances and discipline and kept a 71 year old Robson on instead of bringing in someone new? I don't. Mort's. Making the signing of new players in January extremely difficult and then failing to follow through on those which were targeted? There's no question we're in a better position with Ashley as owner to be able to get back into the CL positions. The question is whether he has the ambition to force us back there (£££), or whether he's just content to wait and hope we get lucky with good management, shrewd transfers and youth squad breakthroughs - like the majority of the rest of the league have done in the past. We have means, but do we have the motivation? Most people seem certain he'll pump money into the team this Summer, but then most people were certain he'd pump money into the team last Summer too. The ambition he's shown so far sees us teetering on the brink of relegation. He may not be to blame, but he certainly hasn't done anything to help. Well, again, its a good try but not quite the full picture. I mean, in those years and finances we lost with Souness and Roeder and the incorrect appointment of Allardyce(possibly) look at how far the top 4 have got away from us. Do i think the old board would of reachieved those CL qualifications, no, probably not, and the reason this is the case is all down to Shepherd et al. Can you not see this? As for Robson, you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about him, have i rattled your opinion a little bit? i dunno. Maybe, just maybe if we stuck with Robson for that season or 2 longer then we would have found a manager who could of taken over the reigns if the eventuality were to arise, with a club who wouldnt of been so far behind the top4, and may have even been part of that top4, in fact if we were still to be apart of the top 4, would there of been any need to replace SBR, despite his age?? Moot point really.... Read it and thought it was rubbish to be honest. Explained this before but replacing Allardyce before the window was not an option. Full stop. Did you see our fixture scheduele? Do you think it would of been a good idea to sack him then? In hindsight it would of been the most ideal situation, but who would sack there manager in the midst of a fixture list busier than the M25. If a new manager was appointed then, he would of had no time to assess the current squad, let alone look for potential signings. As for keeping Allardyce, was Ashley supposed to back a dead man walking? Its arguable that yes he should, but why should we yet again waste club resources on someone, or something that we KNOW will not be a worthy investment. In order for allardyce to make any waves into the transfer window he'd of needed £20m at least. Put another £9m on top for his pay off at the end of the season and you have approximately £30m taken away from the club. It was best to replace him, and replace him a tad earlier. I still question the sense in appointing Keegan as i thought there were beter options out there,however Keegan is the only manager i would trust in the world and am genuinely excited about having cash so ill not complain too much about it. errr what? Imust of missed that. Like i said, as far as im aware the board/mort would of been involved in 2 things regarding transfers, the valuation of the player and the wages of the player. I cant remmeber a player of importance being turned down because of either reasons. (maybe Diarra) Diarra - who knows, maybe Keegan didnt want him, maybe becasue Allardyce was sacked at the time, the transfer was cancelled, maybe the quote of £90k p/w was true and Mort rightly rejected. Woodgate - turned us down even thought bid was accepted, the draw of playing in a cup final in a vastly improving team must of been a real draw to him, cant see why though.... Dont know for certain any other players. I guess theres only one way to find out about this summer spree. But i am absolutley certain it will occur providing we stay up. If we do stay up, and it doesnt materialise, then and only then will i start to question the motives.

Good to see Caroll doing well, surprised he didnt do too well at Preston although (like us) they were a shit team at the time anyway. From what ive seen though he holds the ball up really well, would like to see him play more, think he could be just the player to keep possession in the final third.

Alot of Duff bashing going on here. Have to say that i think he's an alrite player a good squad players to have i think. I happen to think that he gets marked out the game at times, Milner gets far more space than Duff does and i think its because the opppsition teams have been instructed to do so. To be fair though, i think Zog is our best left winger, and he knows it, not sure why no one else does, hopefully we'll see a bit more of Zog. Still unsure who to put at the back, said a long time ago that the 2 big issues we face would be where to play Faye, and how to accomadate Duff, Zog and Enrique, well with the apprent lack of penetration that Duff has offered us in recent time i think its fair to say that one of those decisions makes themselves. The reall issue is what to do with Faye now, again said a long time ago that the DM position is a big problem for us. Still would like to see Faye there though, but that would leave us with Taylor and Cacapa at the back, although im hoping that Diatta is a bit of a find. Although by the sounds of it, Keegan has Beye, Faye and Diatta marked for defence.

I see a chairman who doesn't understand football. That is all. Quite amazing you defend this season, tbh If we were to survive this season, and Ashley spent a huge amount this summer then what would your opinion be on the hypothetical situation? Would Mort still be shit? If so, why?

the good of the club ? Avoiding relegation ? Hoping they will match the best positions of the old board, as a minimum ? Take your pick How will blindly sticking up for the old board's shortcomings achieve those things? Can't wait until we qualify for the Champions League again, just like the good old days. Remember them, instead of buying average johnny foreigners and looking at the balance sheet and declaring such acquisitions to be "good business" Do you think that the old board, if still in charge would of matched the CL qualifications that they'd previously achieved? Im struggling to debate with you becasue every question i ask you fail to answer. Its like nailing diarreah to a wall. Do you fancy humouring me. In fact if you fancy exaplining to me why Keegan said there was money to spend yet we didntbuy and who's fault that is, feel free to as well. It hard for me to see what the board has done that directly relates to the situation we are in now, we had a better squad then at least 50% of the teams in the prem. SA recieved a decent amount of cash and it was in his hands to prove that he was capable of spending more of Ashleys money, but he failed. I've humoured you enough, and I'm trying not to draw comparisons to be honest. All I see is a s*** chairman who has put prudency before the quality of footballer [which you supported] so those who advocated this approach, despite us having one of the biggest fanbases in the country, have nothing to complain about, Fair enough, but i believe he was right not to back SA becaseu as i said at the time he hadnt proved, anyhting with his own signings, however i always advocated the spending of money on players generally deemed essential. but not expensive squad fillers. I was behind Keegan getting money becasue i think its important for new managers to get there own squad in. As it turns out, Keegan did have finances but was unable to convince players to come here, i cant rememebr hearing anything about bids being rejected accpet for Barnes, or contract talks not going well, which WOULD be attributed to the board, instead, the one im 100% sure about, Woodgate turned us down for a better club. How is that attributed to the board?

the good of the club ? Avoiding relegation ? Hoping they will match the best positions of the old board, as a minimum ? Take your pick How will blindly sticking up for the old board's shortcomings achieve those things? Can't wait until we qualify for the Champions League again, just like the good old days. Remember them, instead of buying average johnny foreigners and looking at the balance sheet and declaring such acquisitions to be "good business" Do you think that the old board, if still in charge would of matched the CL qualifications that they'd previously achieved? Im struggling to debate with you becasue every question i ask you fail to answer. Its like nailing diarreah to a wall. Do you fancy humouring me. In fact if you fancy exaplining to me why Keegan said there was money to spend yet we didntbuy and who's fault that is, feel free to as well. It hard for me to see what the board has done that directly relates to the situation we are in now, we had a better squad then at least 50% of the teams in the prem. SA recieved a decent amount of cash and it was in his hands to prove that he was capable of spending more of Ashleys money, but he failed.

oh dear Fancy elaborating, with one of your conspiracy theories hopefully...

I thought keegan said money was available?? I dont get whats gone wrong if moeny was available and it wasnt spent.

Same with Bowyer, and to a lesser extent, Alan Smith. Definitely Bowyer, he was really good at leeds making those lates runs into the box, not sure about Smith though, though he was definitely a good player im not sure he had the talent to be considered potentially great. Ronaldihno is antoher player who could be a bit of a waste. He was entirely responsible for Barcelona becoming champions agains after so many years with his outrageous talent, and even though he's still good, i think he definitely has/had the potential to be one of the worlds greatest. Aye, Adriano threw it all away, Ronaldinho needs to sort himself out, a lot of bad press about his lifestyle especially when you compare him to Kaka who seems to have a good head. Can we chuck Gazza in here? I really don't think he got near his potential. Adriano-great shout. Has everything as a striker, would have him at nufc in a second. Gazza is a given, outrageous talent, should of taken him to WC98. Shame how its all fallen apart so badly for him.

Same with Bowyer, and to a lesser extent, Alan Smith. Definitely Bowyer, he was really good at leeds making those lates runs into the box, not sure about Smith though, though he was definitely a good player im not sure he had the talent to be considered potentially great. Ronaldihno is antoher player who could be a bit of a waste. He was entirely responsible for Barcelona becoming champions agains after so many years with his outrageous talent, and even though he's still good, i think he definitely has/had the potential to be one of the worlds greatest.

Kieron Dyer? Jokes aside when he was on form he was devasting. Real waste of talent, could easily have been an england regular had he put his mind to it, especiallty when Scholes looked to be on the way out.

never mind about the relegation struggle, at least we didn't waste any money in the transfer window Whos decision was that?

I'm impressed, you've also got a website. Thanks, its been set up for years now but i have a feeling with the way this thread is going, we might have our first caller. Fingers crossed anyway!

Again, i genuinely mean this seriously, but which of the boards decisions do you attribute to the position we are in?

you're "past caring" ? Like I said, you've seen nowt. But you "cared" when the board you slate ran the club mackems.gif What a plonker Quoting for posterity. You nobjockey. :lol: :lol: :lol: "things have got this bad"......... oh dear. The new board have done just great..... Do you think that the new board is shit then? Serious question.

Good idea, give him your phone number, please. 08457 90 90 90 http://www.samaritans.org/

well said Dave.