fredbob

We may have killed the former Italian U21 captains career & sooperstar in waiting Viana but we launched Bellamy (PFA Young Of The Year 2002) & Jenas (PFA Young Of The Year 2003) . Who was that then out of interest?

Been saying this for a long time, i know he's not perfect and probably wont be but i think he's a very good player who is very capable of winning games on his own. He's played under some shit systemsand so far has come out good, with a good goalscoring record. Scares the shit out of defenders and that alone makes him invaluable to the team. Am convinced that there is a partnership between him and Owen if we adapt to a short passing game next season.

Martins sub seems to have been a strange one, personally would of taken off Viduka or Owen if we were doing as Keegan said and adding another midfielder to see out the game. The midfield was still tosh if you ask me, thought defensively Butt was excellent broke up opposition play really well. Think the game depended on him doing so as Barton and Geremi werent offereing a great deal. As good as this perfomance was it depends too much on Butts perfomrnaces if you ask me. I still have faith in Barton and in the long run would like to see him replace Geremi or if he's converted to a throughbred DM which i think he could be, but i'd like to see a bit of a link up between Emre and Martins, could be a dangerous combination. Will be nice to have a decent ball player who can pass along the ground well.

Is Emre still injured?

Just out of interest, (and to play devils advocate) are people categorically saying that Allardyce WOULD of failed here no matter how long he had??

Basically champ man then.....

Have you just made this up? Isnt this basically champ man just with a lower scale and your personal opinion?

very talented player, doubt he would come to a club without European football mind. Id of said the same about alot of players that Man City signed....

I hate the media, bit of a tangent but i heard that that police officer killed himself because a sunday newsapaper was gonna print a kiss and tell story. What a price to pay in order to sell a few papers if true. I really despise the scavengers.

David May/Henning Berg?

Nah, can do without, dont get me wrong, i think he's a very good player but i dont even think Eto'o could come here and score to be honest, Diarra and Woodgate would probably be the 2 players for me who would of had any effect on our side who went this t4ransfer period.

His donation to Sport Relief has nothing to do with you, maybe you should just think how lucky you are that you don't need it and just hope that if you ever do somebody is prepared to help you and that they will not get criticised if they do. my point is that people like you are of the opinion that being a good bloke means you are a good chairman. And vice versa. You don't need to tell me there are lots of worthy charities out there. No, the point is that he seems to be a good bloke, nothing more nothing less. Football has nothing to with this thread.

aye, smashing. Never mind that the team is in the s**** though, Never mind that the transfer window is now closed so no money can be spent on the team and he did make money available in January but it was not spent. how much ? Why wasn't it spent ? Keep deluding yourself. If you think that it is OK that we can't force the hand of small clubs like Blackburn to sell us their best players, welcome to true mediocrity the likes of which you clearly don't understand. But soon will if this is the path they are choosing to follow. At the end of the day, I don't really give a toss how good a bloke runs the football club if we are struggling and they don't capitalise on the fanbase. Did we even try and get anyone from Blackburn? KK says there's money there and he chose not to spend it, I for one believe him. Do you not believe him? How much ? I have no idea. Do you? But from what I've been told there is serious cash there for him to use. Straight forward question mate, just answer yes or no. Keegan said there's money to spend but he chose not to. As you don't think there is money for him to spend. Is Keegan then a liar, yes or no? Keegan doesn't say how much does he ? hahaha, Keegan - "I have £50m to spend, this January" Although he does crypitically say, "the money was there to spend but we couldnt get anyone in" What a tricky bastard - always talking in bloody riddles! Cue retort regarding "happy with relegation etc" This is a thread to commend a bloke who happens to be our owner for donating a happy amount to charity. Specifically speaking that £100k will go for loads and loads of poor families etc etc, you know the score and just to reiterate how pathetic you actually are you turn this into a thread about the football, because according to you that is the most important aspect of this thread. You are a pathetic old man with no perspective.

Gotta say, im not the biggest fan of Milner but something tells me that we'd be making a bit of a mistake selling him, last year to be honest i thought he had England potential, he was one of our most productive players and was definitely consistent, bit unfair booting him out on the back of this seasons farce but for £8m......if only he worked on his crossing.

aye, to be fair despite our resonalby limited history regarding trophies etc, we still have some amazing memories which a lot of clubs would love to have. I think though that the stand out result for me was that 5-0 slapping of Man U. Every single club in the premiership wanted to be in that position and it was an amazing result. I think some clubs would swap silverware to have that in the memory cabinet. Priceless.

I love the comments about our so called Winnable games always around the corner, We dont have a hope of stopping up this season, No defence No midfield And we could not score in a Brothel, Get Real People we are heading for the big fall and keegan will desert the sinking ship very soon. As a matter of interest, who do you blame for this doom and gloom, as soon as the Halls and Shepherd walk out of the door with their despicable trophy signings or do you quite rightly blame the current regime for their complacency and lack of football savvy ? As has been stated, Keegan will walk if the board let him down, or if they allow others to interfere with him regarding transfers, and for no other reasons Which particular cockney based rag do you write for What do you think of finishing 2nd in the premiership and getting 90 minutes from the title ? Does it sit alongside your own particular darlings ie West Ham, Spurs or are you a cockney manure "fan". NE5 doing a bit of "grooming"

The neglect of the non-first team side of things is perhaps overplayed a tad and get Dalglish off the hook a bit in the eyes of some for the way in which he dismantled Keegan's side unneccessarily. Dalglish was unlucky in some ways too though and wasn't really given enough time either. Just my take on it, anyway. Fair point but Keegans side was geared towarda a completely different style to any of Dlaglishs side. It the same problem with all incoming manager and probably something which ultimately effected Allardyce as well, he needed to imprint his own style and way of managing onto the team and that meant getting rid of players and in essence dismantling a very good side. To be fair to him, he did bring in some decent players, as well as Disco Des and ultimately i think he would of suceeded but in a completely different manner to Keegan.

Apppointing Souness was a monstrous mistake, no question, its set the club back so many years, like king harry said, it took a good five yearsto recover and the same maybe happening to us. I personally think the first mistake was sacking SBR. I didnt agree with him being sacked, no way did he deserve it, but i guess nufc fans have to reap what they sowed. The manner of the sacking made it inevitable that we wouldnt appoint another manager of similar calibre, the job from that point didnt have anything special to offer and(altough im unsure of the finances at the time regarding sponsorship money) even though it transpired that we had a £50m warchest that still wasnt enough to persuade any decent managers which spoke volumes to me.

Think out of all the new owners in the EPL he's been a class above all the way. Really brought that club along! Credit where credits due. Hoping, fingers crossed that Ashley will join him right up there.

You had a go at Robson for losing his marbles then were happy to use something he said later, when he was older. Do you think Keegan has now lost his marbles? I answered your question when you asked it earlier, you replied to my reply. Is that "nasty man" you refer to the same one who embarrasses you for wearing his shirt in with the fans or is it the one who lets his mouth go in a brothel? Which one of the two embarrass you? no Keegan hasn't lost his marbles. It is likely that a man of 72 may now and again lose his marbles. The only thing that embarrasses me is the team fighting relegation battles and not trying to punch its correct weight, but I've told you this already. You don't mind this though so long as he doesn't call you nasty names. Your long term chip on your shoulder towards a chairman and board who qualified for europe more than everyone but 4 other clubs and gave us our only 3 consecutive top 5 league postitions in 50 years is funny if it wasn't so tragic. So what was our correct weight when we were came 5th after all those CL qualifications? Were you embarressed for the 4 years that proceeded that 5th place finish? Why, when we havent been punching our correct weight for the past 4 years is it Ashleys and Morts fault?? Honestly NE5, you have such a blinkered view onthe club its unreal. Its so funny seeing you drag threads out like this and repeat the same lines over and over again ad infitum. My guess, is that somehow you benefitted from the previous boards tenureship and that now they have gone you have lost those beeneifts which is the reason that you are intent on attacking the board. they need to be repeated for people who have their eyes closed, and can't see past the blinkered view that the last board were s**** because they called women dogs and ate all the pies. Basically, the Halls and Shepherd saved the club from years of embarrassment, and the ultimate embarrassment possible for a club the size of NUFC . If you still don't understand, look it up. Thats fair and well, that is your opinion, it is only half right but never mind. But that little touching anecdote doesnt really explain why you have such a vendetta against the new board despite overwhelming evidence suggesting that they are doing contrary to what you are preaching. Nor does it answer my forst question about the embarressment, you posed the paradox yourself "The only thing that embarrasses me is the team fighting relegation battles and not trying to punch its correct weight" Well were you embarressed by the previous 4 years then in that case? If not then why? Surely you have to be consistent with your views........surely?? you don't understand. When we had a s**** board, such positions as were managed in the the last 4 years, were classed as a golden era, before the Halls and Shepherd took over the club. And whats more, people like mick know this to be true, unless of course he isn't the supporter he claims to be FWIW, 2 years ago we finished 7th. In over 3 decades prior to the Halls and Shepherd taking over the club, we managed this once, and 5th once. And that was it. I fail to understand why you keep harping on about things like this. I'm trying to educate you, or at the least I'm stating cold hard facts, which are beyond dispute. But you have a rhetoric which is so blinkered its untrue. Im one of a few people who actually acknowledges the fact that the Shepherd et al did an amazing job, they achieved the job which they set out to do, they brought the club to relativily consistent Euro quals but, I, like a lot of people beleive that the job they did was undermined by a number a terrible decisions which set the club back many invaluable years which have helped our closets rivals above us get further away from us and some of our not so close rivals below us get above us as well. It will take millions and millions to rectify the situation and if you advocate that the new board need to spend £100m odd million in order to get back to where we should be then you are directly admitting that that is the sum figure of how far we have fallen, the old board got us effectively £100m behind and that isnt including the (debatable) debt that we had. In essence therefore, Ashley will have had to fork out £350m to get this club into a position it should of been in the first place had Shepherd et al not messed up so badly. (Like i say, debt is debatable). The thing is is that you still havent answered my question about the embaressment query, you constantly refer to the past as well, as as ort of back up as to how we are doing in comparison. Well how long does that argument hold up for? If you applied the same argument to another club would that be acceptable. Said this before but comparitively speaking, if the Arsenal board were to do the inexplicable and replace Wenger with a man such as George Graham, and as a result suffered many years of relative mediocrity would they be excused becaseu of there recent history regarding achievemnts? In my mind that is your line of argument, maybe not quite directly applicable but very similar all the same. sigh, The old board didn't embarrass me at all, at any time. There were a few setbacks, the appointment of Souness was as most people know - apart from some people who backed him when he was selling Craig Bellamy and insisted he would transform himself into the new Alex Ferguson for getting rid of the "cancer" like Fergie had done - but overall, I work away from home a lot and I don't think anybody at any time ever thought the club had did anything to embarrass me, in fact the vast majority who even took any notice of our ex board members were if anything jealous that we played regularly in europe, reached a couple of cup finals, and filled a big stadium every home game. Everybody has setbacks. However the current situation, the fear of relegation and the mirth among the press etc and other supporters is at an unprecedented level, certainly higher than at any time since 1992 at least, if you want to debate the meaning of "embarrassed". I really would like to move on from this, if you would listen. Wow, you classify Souness as a "setback" now that is putting a positive spin on things. Also doesnt explain why you have such issue with the new board. Or retorted to anything ive put in the previous post. To me your like a kid who has a toy, which he loves dearly but another kid comes along with a newer toy and as you cant make yours any better you try and make his worse. Classic diversion. Rank bad decision. No excuse. See your comment about George Graham, you do realise he was manager of Arsenal when they won the League ? And, you never know, they might make a mess of replacing Wenger, after all they appointed Bruce Rioch before Wenger and he didn't last too long. I see Chelsea have made an outstanding choice to replace Mourhinho too ? Get in the real world fredbob mate, is my advice. The real strenght of a football club, is a board who understand that what matters is the quality of footballer in the dressing room. Yeh i was aware of his success but i thnk you are missing the point again. Its the enormity of the mistake in going from Wenger to Graham, the complete contrast as well which wouldnt suit Arsenal, akin to going from SBR to Souness, though not as bad. The whole point to that scenario was that would the board be excusable for making that mistake despite all they had achieved. As for Chelsea, im glad you said that, look at how Abramhovic is getting flak from all the fans, beasue of his dcision, if Chelsea dont win anything this year, will Abramovich get away with it despite being 100% responisble for all of there recent success. No he wont, now why is that? Surely Chelseas recent success doesnt give them any right whatsoever to criticize Abrhamovich, well they dont by your reckoning anyway.

Agreed - filthy prawn sandwich eating fuckpigs.

You had a go at Robson for losing his marbles then were happy to use something he said later, when he was older. Do you think Keegan has now lost his marbles? I answered your question when you asked it earlier, you replied to my reply. Is that "nasty man" you refer to the same one who embarrasses you for wearing his shirt in with the fans or is it the one who lets his mouth go in a brothel? Which one of the two embarrass you? no Keegan hasn't lost his marbles. It is likely that a man of 72 may now and again lose his marbles. The only thing that embarrasses me is the team fighting relegation battles and not trying to punch its correct weight, but I've told you this already. You don't mind this though so long as he doesn't call you nasty names. Your long term chip on your shoulder towards a chairman and board who qualified for europe more than everyone but 4 other clubs and gave us our only 3 consecutive top 5 league postitions in 50 years is funny if it wasn't so tragic. So what was our correct weight when we were came 5th after all those CL qualifications? Were you embarressed for the 4 years that proceeded that 5th place finish? Why, when we havent been punching our correct weight for the past 4 years is it Ashleys and Morts fault?? Honestly NE5, you have such a blinkered view onthe club its unreal. Its so funny seeing you drag threads out like this and repeat the same lines over and over again ad infitum. My guess, is that somehow you benefitted from the previous boards tenureship and that now they have gone you have lost those beeneifts which is the reason that you are intent on attacking the board. they need to be repeated for people who have their eyes closed, and can't see past the blinkered view that the last board were s**** because they called women dogs and ate all the pies. Basically, the Halls and Shepherd saved the club from years of embarrassment, and the ultimate embarrassment possible for a club the size of NUFC . If you still don't understand, look it up. Thats fair and well, that is your opinion, it is only half right but never mind. But that little touching anecdote doesnt really explain why you have such a vendetta against the new board despite overwhelming evidence suggesting that they are doing contrary to what you are preaching. Nor does it answer my forst question about the embarressment, you posed the paradox yourself "The only thing that embarrasses me is the team fighting relegation battles and not trying to punch its correct weight" Well were you embarressed by the previous 4 years then in that case? If not then why? Surely you have to be consistent with your views........surely?? you don't understand. When we had a s**** board, such positions as were managed in the the last 4 years, were classed as a golden era, before the Halls and Shepherd took over the club. And whats more, people like mick know this to be true, unless of course he isn't the supporter he claims to be FWIW, 2 years ago we finished 7th. In over 3 decades prior to the Halls and Shepherd taking over the club, we managed this once, and 5th once. And that was it. I fail to understand why you keep harping on about things like this. I'm trying to educate you, or at the least I'm stating cold hard facts, which are beyond dispute. But you have a rhetoric which is so blinkered its untrue. Im one of a few people who actually acknowledges the fact that the Shepherd et al did an amazing job, they achieved the job which they set out to do, they brought the club to relativily consistent Euro quals but, I, like a lot of people beleive that the job they did was undermined by a number a terrible decisions which set the club back many invaluable years which have helped our closets rivals above us get further away from us and some of our not so close rivals below us get above us as well. It will take millions and millions to rectify the situation and if you advocate that the new board need to spend £100m odd million in order to get back to where we should be then you are directly admitting that that is the sum figure of how far we have fallen, the old board got us effectively £100m behind and that isnt including the (debatable) debt that we had. In essence therefore, Ashley will have had to fork out £350m to get this club into a position it should of been in the first place had Shepherd et al not messed up so badly. (Like i say, debt is debatable). The thing is is that you still havent answered my question about the embaressment query, you constantly refer to the past as well, as as ort of back up as to how we are doing in comparison. Well how long does that argument hold up for? If you applied the same argument to another club would that be acceptable. Said this before but comparitively speaking, if the Arsenal board were to do the inexplicable and replace Wenger with a man such as George Graham, and as a result suffered many years of relative mediocrity would they be excused becaseu of there recent history regarding achievemnts? In my mind that is your line of argument, maybe not quite directly applicable but very similar all the same. sigh, The old board didn't embarrass me at all, at any time. There were a few setbacks, the appointment of Souness was as most people know - apart from some people who backed him when he was selling Craig Bellamy and insisted he would transform himself into the new Alex Ferguson for getting rid of the "cancer" like Fergie had done - but overall, I work away from home a lot and I don't think anybody at any time ever thought the club had did anything to embarrass me, in fact the vast majority who even took any notice of our ex board members were if anything jealous that we played regularly in europe, reached a couple of cup finals, and filled a big stadium every home game. Everybody has setbacks. However the current situation, the fear of relegation and the mirth among the press etc and other supporters is at an unprecedented level, certainly higher than at any time since 1992 at least, if you want to debate the meaning of "embarrassed". I really would like to move on from this, if you would listen. Wow, you classify Souness as a "setback" now that is putting a positive spin on things. Also doesnt explain why you have such issue with the new board. Or retorted to anything ive put in the previous post. To me your like a kid who has a toy, which he loves dearly but another kid comes along with a newer toy and as you cant make yours any better you try and make his worse. Classic diversion.

You had a go at Robson for losing his marbles then were happy to use something he said later, when he was older. Do you think Keegan has now lost his marbles? I answered your question when you asked it earlier, you replied to my reply. Is that "nasty man" you refer to the same one who embarrasses you for wearing his shirt in with the fans or is it the one who lets his mouth go in a brothel? Which one of the two embarrass you? no Keegan hasn't lost his marbles. It is likely that a man of 72 may now and again lose his marbles. The only thing that embarrasses me is the team fighting relegation battles and not trying to punch its correct weight, but I've told you this already. You don't mind this though so long as he doesn't call you nasty names. Your long term chip on your shoulder towards a chairman and board who qualified for europe more than everyone but 4 other clubs and gave us our only 3 consecutive top 5 league postitions in 50 years is funny if it wasn't so tragic. So what was our correct weight when we were came 5th after all those CL qualifications? Were you embarressed for the 4 years that proceeded that 5th place finish? Why, when we havent been punching our correct weight for the past 4 years is it Ashleys and Morts fault?? Honestly NE5, you have such a blinkered view onthe club its unreal. Its so funny seeing you drag threads out like this and repeat the same lines over and over again ad infitum. My guess, is that somehow you benefitted from the previous boards tenureship and that now they have gone you have lost those beeneifts which is the reason that you are intent on attacking the board. they need to be repeated for people who have their eyes closed, and can't see past the blinkered view that the last board were s**** because they called women dogs and ate all the pies. Basically, the Halls and Shepherd saved the club from years of embarrassment, and the ultimate embarrassment possible for a club the size of NUFC . If you still don't understand, look it up. Thats fair and well, that is your opinion, it is only half right but never mind. But that little touching anecdote doesnt really explain why you have such a vendetta against the new board despite overwhelming evidence suggesting that they are doing contrary to what you are preaching. Nor does it answer my forst question about the embarressment, you posed the paradox yourself "The only thing that embarrasses me is the team fighting relegation battles and not trying to punch its correct weight" Well were you embarressed by the previous 4 years then in that case? If not then why? Surely you have to be consistent with your views........surely?? you don't understand. When we had a s**** board, such positions as were managed in the the last 4 years, were classed as a golden era, before the Halls and Shepherd took over the club. And whats more, people like mick know this to be true, unless of course he isn't the supporter he claims to be FWIW, 2 years ago we finished 7th. In over 3 decades prior to the Halls and Shepherd taking over the club, we managed this once, and 5th once. And that was it. I fail to understand why you keep harping on about things like this. I'm trying to educate you, or at the least I'm stating cold hard facts, which are beyond dispute. But you have a rhetoric which is so blinkered its untrue. Im one of a few people who actually acknowledges the fact that the Shepherd et al did an amazing job, they achieved the job which they set out to do, they brought the club to relativily consistent Euro quals but, I, like a lot of people beleive that the job they did was undermined by a number a terrible decisions which set the club back many invaluable years which have helped our closets rivals above us get further away from us and some of our not so close rivals below us get above us as well. It will take millions and millions to rectify the situation and if you advocate that the new board need to spend £100m odd million in order to get back to where we should be then you are directly admitting that that is the sum figure of how far we have fallen, the old board got us effectively £100m behind and that isnt including the (debatable) debt that we had. In essence therefore, Ashley will have had to fork out £200m to get this club into a position it should of been in the first place had Shepherd et al not messed up so badly. (Like i say, debt is debatable). The thing is is that you still havent answered my question about the embaressment query, you constantly refer to the past as well, as as ort of back up as to how we are doing in comparison. Well how long does that argument hold up for? If you applied the same argument to another club would that be acceptable. Said this before but comparitively speaking, if the Arsenal board were to do the inexplicable and replace Wenger with a man such as George Graham, and as a result suffered many years of relative mediocrity would they be excused becaseu of there recent history regarding achievemnts? In my mind that is your line of argument, maybe not quite directly applicable but very similar all the same.

You had a go at Robson for losing his marbles then were happy to use something he said later, when he was older. Do you think Keegan has now lost his marbles? I answered your question when you asked it earlier, you replied to my reply. Is that "nasty man" you refer to the same one who embarrasses you for wearing his shirt in with the fans or is it the one who lets his mouth go in a brothel? Which one of the two embarrass you? no Keegan hasn't lost his marbles. It is likely that a man of 72 may now and again lose his marbles. The only thing that embarrasses me is the team fighting relegation battles and not trying to punch its correct weight, but I've told you this already. You don't mind this though so long as he doesn't call you nasty names. Your long term chip on your shoulder towards a chairman and board who qualified for europe more than everyone but 4 other clubs and gave us our only 3 consecutive top 5 league postitions in 50 years is funny if it wasn't so tragic. So what was our correct weight when we were came 5th after all those CL qualifications? Were you embarressed for the 4 years that proceeded that 5th place finish? Why, when we havent been punching our correct weight for the past 4 years is it Ashleys and Morts fault?? Honestly NE5, you have such a blinkered view onthe club its unreal. Its so funny seeing you drag threads out like this and repeat the same lines over and over again ad infitum. My guess, is that somehow you benefitted from the previous boards tenureship and that now they have gone you have lost those beeneifts which is the reason that you are intent on attacking the board. they need to be repeated for people who have their eyes closed, and can't see past the blinkered view that the last board were s**** because they called women dogs and ate all the pies. Basically, the Halls and Shepherd saved the club from years of embarrassment, and the ultimate embarrassment possible for a club the size of NUFC . If you still don't understand, look it up. Thats fair and well, that is your opinion, it is only half right but never mind. But that little touching anecdote doesnt really explain why you have such a vendetta against the new board despite overwhelming evidence suggesting that they are doing contrary to what you are preaching. Nor does it answer my forst question about the embarressment, you posed the paradox yourself "The only thing that embarrasses me is the team fighting relegation battles and not trying to punch its correct weight" Well were you embarressed by the previous 4 years then in that case? If not then why? Surely you have to be consistent with your views........surely??