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A lot richer . . .

The misses just pointed out if those pictures are recent how come someones smoking in the background. Also she thinks shes seen them before. I don't think that UK legislation on smoking in public places covers the USA. They may (or may not) have similar legislation over there.

They say that he was always intending NOT to be at the Hull game . . . yeah right.

The club doc is gonna be the next manager??

Yes, for the supporters, not specifically the press. However, whether this particular club (as it now is) considers us important enough to do so, I am not sure . . .

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too. No doubt your opinion of them will go something like "They've done well but i'd have preferred fat Mike to splash £200m of his massive fortune on some big name players". Admittedly i haven't seen them play an entire season but what i have seen is 3 foreign players (2 of them current internationals for one of the world's best international teams) adapt to a new league in a new country very quickly, and put in excellent performances against the reigning european champions. Guthrie perhaps doesn't look excellent yet but he's certainly improved our CM area. I understand that positivity has no place on this forum but I make no apologies for my optimism. and you know this how? Just a hunch. Don't give up your day job mate! So you are impressed with the signings we've brought in, you do agree that the squad is stronger than it was last season and you are impressed with the new recruitment team's ability to sign quality players without spending ridiculous ums of money? How do you know we have signed ANY quality players? I remember a scout saw me twice and said about me "he's some quality isn't he?" I wasn't!! Look pal if they're good enough to play for Argentina, Uruguay, Spain U21, England U21 and France U21 it's a pretty good indication of their quality. OK, so they'll be great in the English Premier League (and all winter). Thats ok then. Your posts have been questioning the quality of the players we've brought in, not their ability to adapt the British climate and style of football. Change the f***ing record you miserable tool!!!! Thank you for the pleasant language. I think you will find that Kevin Keegan thinks the same as I do. A few days ago I tried to get the message across on here that there was something DEEPLY wrong at our club - there was something hugely wrong with Ashley, there was something (I used the word) "smelly" at our club. You will be noticing soon that I was right. That may make YOU happy, but it does not make me happy to see all this rubbish happening at our club. Your vitriolic words do not help. Look, you were making a point about the quality of the players brought in. I countered that point with my views on the same subject. You then starting on about something completely different - the ability of our new players to adapt to the Premiership. Now you're talking about something entirely different again. I fully agree that there seems to be something wrong with the new player recruitment structure we have in place and the fact that Keegan seems to be being undermined by the board. However this is completely off the subject of your original argument. Despite all of the underlying problems at the club i still think the players that have brought in are very good. We could have done with one or two more but i'm glad we didn't just splash the cash for the sake of it. I think we are in for some very difficult times as a club. Lets not argue. I think I need to go over to some of the other threads. Things are bad for us.

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too. No doubt your opinion of them will go something like "They've done well but i'd have preferred fat Mike to splash £200m of his massive fortune on some big name players". Admittedly i haven't seen them play an entire season but what i have seen is 3 foreign players (2 of them current internationals for one of the world's best international teams) adapt to a new league in a new country very quickly, and put in excellent performances against the reigning european champions. Guthrie perhaps doesn't look excellent yet but he's certainly improved our CM area. I understand that positivity has no place on this forum but I make no apologies for my optimism. and you know this how? Just a hunch. Don't give up your day job mate! So you are impressed with the signings we've brought in, you do agree that the squad is stronger than it was last season and you are impressed with the new recruitment team's ability to sign quality players without spending ridiculous ums of money? How do you know we have signed ANY quality players? I remember a scout saw me twice and said about me "he's some quality isn't he?" I wasn't!! Look pal if they're good enough to play for Argentina, Uruguay, Spain U21, England U21 and France U21 it's a pretty good indication of their quality. OK, so they'll be great in the English Premier League (and all winter). Thats ok then. Your posts have been questioning the quality of the players we've brought in, not their ability to adapt the British climate and style of football. Change the f***ing record you miserable tool!!!! Thank you for the pleasant language. I think you will find that Kevin Keegan thinks the same as I do. A few days ago I tried to get the message across on here that there was something DEEPLY wrong at our club - there was something hugely wrong with Ashley, there was something (I used the word) "smelly" at our club. You will be noticing soon that I was right. That may make YOU happy, but it does not make me happy to see all this rubbish happening at our club. Your vitriolic words do not help.

I have, but only twice.

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too. No doubt your opinion of them will go something like "They've done well but i'd have preferred fat Mike to splash £200m of his massive fortune on some big name players". Admittedly i haven't seen them play an entire season but what i have seen is 3 foreign players (2 of them current internationals for one of the world's best international teams) adapt to a new league in a new country very quickly, and put in excellent performances against the reigning european champions. Guthrie perhaps doesn't look excellent yet but he's certainly improved our CM area. I understand that positivity has no place on this forum but I make no apologies for my optimism. and you know this how? Just a hunch. Don't give up your day job mate! So you are impressed with the signings we've brought in, you do agree that the squad is stronger than it was last season and you are impressed with the new recruitment team's ability to sign quality players without spending ridiculous ums of money? How do you know we have signed ANY quality players? I remember a scout saw me twice and said about me "he's some quality isn't he?" I wasn't!! Look pal if they're good enough to play for Argentina, Uruguay, Spain U21, England U21 and France U21 it's a pretty good indication of their quality. OK, so they'll be great in the English Premier League (and all winter). Thats ok then.

How do you know the previous 3 are any good? They've only been here 5 minutes.

Because we have had such a sh*t* transfer window - and then we have to read some on here ernestly explaining how fantastically we have stregthened the team. It drives you mad. (yes I know)

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too. No doubt your opinion of them will go something like "They've done well but i'd have preferred fat Mike to splash £200m of his massive fortune on some big name players". Admittedly i haven't seen them play an entire season but what i have seen is 3 foreign players (2 of them current internationals for one of the world's best international teams) adapt to a new league in a new country very quickly, and put in excellent performances against the reigning european champions. Guthrie perhaps doesn't look excellent yet but he's certainly improved our CM area. I understand that positivity has no place on this forum but I make no apologies for my optimism. and you know this how? Just a hunch. Don't give up your day job mate! So you are impressed with the signings we've brought in, you do agree that the squad is stronger than it was last season and you are impressed with the new recruitment team's ability to sign quality players without spending ridiculous ums of money? How do you know we have signed ANY quality players? I remember a scout saw me twice and said about me "he's some quality isn't he?" I wasn't!!

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too. No doubt your opinion of them will go something like "They've done well but i'd have preferred fat Mike to splash £200m of his massive fortune on some big name players". Admittedly i haven't seen them play an entire season but what i have seen is 3 foreign players (2 of them current internationals for one of the world's best international teams) adapt to a new league in a new country very quickly, and put in excellent performances against the reigning european champions. Guthrie perhaps doesn't look excellent yet but he's certainly improved our CM area. I understand that positivity has no place on this forum but I make no apologies for my optimism. and you know this how? Just a hunch. Don't give up your day job mate!

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too. No doubt your opinion of them will go something like "They've done well but i'd have preferred fat Mike to splash £200m of his massive fortune on some big name players". Admittedly i haven't seen them play an entire season but what i have seen is 3 foreign players (2 of them current internationals for one of the world's best international teams) adapt to a new league in a new country very quickly, and put in excellent performances against the reigning european champions. Guthrie perhaps doesn't look excellent yet but he's certainly improved our CM area. I understand that positivity has no place on this forum but I make no apologies for my optimism. and you know this how?

"was" = failure.

"I'd LOVE IT, if I thought you were reflecting reality - LOVE IT! . . . . "

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_4085465,00.html

:clap: It's a nice try mate but there are too many doom mongers on here who refuse to remove their hollywood-signing tinted spectacles. Unless a player has a £10+ price tag they're just not worth bothering with according to half the dickheads on here. I echo your sentiments. I think the players we've brought in are excellent and i'm excited to see how the two new additions work out. I'm also pretty confident that Jonas will make a bigger impact this season than Robinho but that will no doubt fall on deaf ears. You can have no way of knowing that any of the players we have brought in are 'excellent' - no way of knowing at all. Give me your opinion on them in a years or so's time, and I will tell you mine then too.

I've never seen the big problem with them being 'London based' (boo, hiss), as if being based in London is inherently evil or something. I doubt they're signing many players from North Tyneside, I think they would spend a lot of time away from the city anyway. And as for them not being good at their jobs, I'd say the players we've brought in so far suggest otherwise. It isn't their job to identify Robinho etc, anyone can do that from the comfort of their front room. We're digging deeper to spend more sensibly. If you have worked in organisations with "remote management" or "remote power" then you will know what I mean. But, simply, the undewhelming/uninspiring transfer window (no?) confirms that they are not very good at the job they are supposed to be 'travelling around the world all the time doing'. What they have done may be "ok" (no more than that) but they needed to have achieved far far far more (and 'better than ok'). We should not accept these mediocre standards, objectives, behaviours and personnel at this club. (Lets not excuse it all by talking about the past either).

I'm sorry for saying that. I am just (like you say) disappointed, so very disappointed. The reason I used the word 'ashamed', is because I have spent a whole lifetime, an entire lifetime, telling people around the UK and anywhere, the FACTS (not my opinion - I have always presented it as FACT) that we are a great club and we will prove it on the field 'some day very soon' ('then you'll all know' . . . ) I don't feel (for the first time in my life) that saying that has any credibility now. The whole 'we are 2nd class' thing from Keegan last season (no matter what he meant by it, and no matter how others interpret it) started it off. The employment of these London-based (not very good, obviously, at their jobs) non-entities makes it even worse. Then we realise that (unlike other Billionaire-owned clubs) OUR billionaire isn't going to spend any of HIS money (yes, I know about the debts . . .) on the grander things of life. Then we get this uninspiring/underhwelming transfer window. OK, some of the new players have started well . . but on a cold winters day at West Ham or Wigan?? Yes, perhaps the best word is disppointment, but perhaps you can see where the 'ashamed' thing came from. Please, don't (anyone) ramble on pointlessly about 'depression' and 'doommongering'. It is just how it seems to be for this club, right now - and I personally can't see KK living with it for long - but WE have to!

Excellent post Johnnypd - says it all. You will get a lot of people posting on here saying wen can't do this and we can't do that and saying how 'satisfied they are' with our new lower level of mediocrity (without admitting that is what it is, of course). That is human nature, for some. Also, a lot of people will not post the realities of our lower status on here at all, because they know that they will be attacked as 'doommongers' by the usual suspects. My contribution? I simply want to find a short phrase that sums up how I feel about our club, now (and how many fervent NUFC supporters that I know also feel) I HAVE ALWAYS REFLECTED MY PRIDE IN OUR FANTASTIC CLUB AROUND THE COUNTRY. NOW (AS I REFUSE TO JOIN IN WITH THE "NEW APOLOGISTS" GRADUALLY ACCEPTING LESS AND LESS AS THE NORM) I AM QUITE SIMPLY . . . A S H A M E D. Ashamed at how we are gradually being brainwashed into expecting less and less and that "our place" is as a second-rank mid-table club, now (for example) only able to buy cheaper players that no-one has heard of. Yes, thats the word - ASHAMED. I doesn't help (saying this) but it is how it is.

I think it could and should have been better than that. I think we are fooling ourselves if we think otherwise. Remember also, the 'net' player situation is even worse than that!

For £12m you could buy two replacements and I'm pretty sure at least one would be as good as or better than Milner. True, but if we don't buy a replacement then it isn't such a good deal. Seriously (no 'shrieking' doom-monger criticism please . . . ) is it not one step forward / one step back, when you selll and then buy? Even if it is a 'slightly better' player bought (hopefully) it is still not in the same league as 'buying to increase the size of and the quality of the squad' - is it?

"a big name" - how pathetic would that be.

That beggars belief. We have no national media in this country. We have a parochial London-based (and London-obsessed) media, broadcast nationally. Just look at the London-based "hype" of poor little Tottingham!!! In that local-London world (broadcast/written nationally) we will always have rubbish routinely written about us. There is no hope of it ever changing. This country will never get a National Press/Media. Never. Isn't that what the whole country is like ? Based on 'Financial Services' in the South East while most of the country lives off the scraps ?? There has been no country-wide prosperity since all the Industries committed suicide - Shipbuilding, Car-making(except as screwdriver ops run by the Japs or Germans), train-building,Steel etc etc etc. And DON'T just blame the Tories - easy target - because whilst they DO have some responsibility, the greed of myopic managers and prehistoric unions were mostly responsible.. It is no coincidence that successful Football teams(Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal ) are in areas with large concentrations of so-called Financial or Service Industries...in any event, most of Man U's fans are southern based..that is where the money & jobs are in the UK. So, we should just ACCEPT that a parochial, isolated and insular little local press (for one sh*t*hole part of the country) gets to broadcast its little local media (TV & Newspapers) viewpoint around our country, under the guise of being a "National" media??