manorpark

We are all individuals with our own wildly differing views and opinions and standards of behaviour, on this planet, and I accept that. It is difficult at times (and I often wonder if some of us ARE on the same planet!) but I accept it and the bizarre views on many aspects of life (football included) that some people have. The above (in bold) though, makes me wonder afresh, whether we should seriously consider setting up 'secure compounds' for some people . . . I really do.

In fact, the entire thread is something of a complete waste of time (in a 'nice' way) How it's got to 3 pages is beyond me. Hmmm...maybe replying wasn't a good idea Aye, true - but I just felt the 'need' to . . .

In fact, the entire thread is something of a complete waste of time (in a 'nice' way)

Sums it up (again!)

A few did, but you just came back with... "It is a possibility" It may be unlikely, but it's still very possible, and by the looks of things quite common (granted more-so in smaller Private companies). I'd counter that with a view that is LESS likely in smaller private companies. In my experience (and as an auditor for 4 and a bit years I worked with a different company every couple of weeks of all sizes) the smaller the company the more direct control the owner has. Conversly, the larger the company the more diluted the ownership and the more delegated the control So what are your views on my original post, that he may have stripped himself of some of the say on matters regarding the day to day running of the club, with the employment of a Managing Director and Executive Directors. Bearing in mind that I'm basing this on A level economics so I don't, neither do I profess, to know the ins and outs. I'm just working off the way I understood it. The key information is (from the above that you quote) - Conversly, the larger the company the more diluted the ownership In this case, the ownership is NOT diluted at all. Whatever duties and powers and authorities Ashley gave to (say) Wise in his contract - Ashley sets ALL the overall policies, which Wise must obey, or face dismissal having breached his contract. A simple example. Ashley employs Wise as a senior manager to buy players. Thats his job. He has freedom to buy who he wants without interference from Ashley, within budget. However, Ashley can still insist that his "overall policy" is that Wise only buys two-legged players for HIS club. If Wise doesn't do this (and insists on buying three-legged players) then he gets the sack. Ashley has total ultimate authority - end of!!! Im not wanting to be rude, but what is so difficult about grasping that fact?

Not if he releases control of the day to day running to board members. If he has done that, then it is illegal for him to make decisions without a majority vote. Nonsense. In simple terms, he can of course get rid of anyone on the board who disagrees with him. He would have to give a damn better reason than "because they disagreed with me". I don't know the ins and outs, but in that case their "titles" are very misleading. A Board of Directors, running a company in which they own shares is one thing, working as an employee for Mike Ashley (albeit as a 'senior' employee) is quite another. They do as he tells them to do, in the final analysis.

Not if he releases control of the day to day running to board members. If he has done that, then it is illegal for him to make decisions without a majority vote. Nonsense. In simple terms, he can of course get rid of anyone on the board who disagrees with him. "The Board" as we are calling it, is not a board of directors, it is just a grouping of senior managers that Ashley has employed to run his business for him, as he can't be everywhere at once. They are just 'employees' in the very traditional sense (no matter what their titles) and they will 'advise him', but at the end of the day have to do what he wants them to - or get sacked!

Yes, but we should try to bring them - everyone - into the group.

The happiest I have been as a supporter (for over 38 years) has been when we were challenging for the title. As we were 'seriously' under KK, 'almost' under Dalglish, and 'almost' (again) under SBR. So (simply) that is what I want to happen to this club - whatever it takes (in the modern game) to asap get us back into that position again. What I'm trying to say is - I'm not "demanding they do this" or "demanding they spend that" - I just want them to get us back to what we have had so recently. It is GREAT fun to be challenging for the title! Nothing better. So, whatever it takes . . . thats all.

Well in a way, but the only reason the backroom setup is pissing people off is because it led to Keegan walking out. If the manager had been working with it OK, we would still be saying the players were good quality and the whole thing was a brilliant idea. It didn't need for much to change either - just for Wise to report to/work to/work for Keegan (rather than the other way round) and the structure would have worked. All this 'angst' would then have been avoided.

That's a good point as well Dave, the same could be said about Keegan. I'm a bit disappointed in Ashley for giving up so easily. He could have easily released that same statement except with a few sentences changed to things like 'I've got the message but I'll show you it's for the best what I'm doing', and 'I hope you'll welcome me back when I come and sit with the fans again soon', and he might have been able to calm things down a bit. That said, it seems he wants NUFC as a hobby and as something to do on a Saturday, so if he couldn't go to the games and enjoy himself then I suppose the shine went off the whole thing for him. He needs to realise though that a good manager appointed and a top-10 finish would have seen him a hero again. Fans really are that fickle, as we've proved the last couple of weeks. Top 10 - I don't think so! Wait a minute, some people I know would have been happy with that. Incredible. As for now . . . staying in the Premier league is not even certain with all this disruption following a very poor summer . . .

A hat trick! Suspect he meant 'owner' not chairman.

An excellent example of a newspaper report that is "100% made up". Absolutely 100% manufactured out of someones 'thoughts' about what might have happened and may happen! In this amazing mess though (that we are all in) IT COULD EASILY TURN OUT TO BE TRUE!!!! Bizarre - we thought we were a 'front page' (rather than back page) club in the past (which we were) but N O W . . . !!! When will it ever end??

Aye, they went really overboard with that. We were 2,100 down on capacity, with over 50,000 there. 96% full. Ooooh, so rubbish! There's no way there was over 50k in SJP yesterday. I sit in the East Stand and I could plainly see swathes of empty seats in the Milburn which is the biggest stand in the ground. They've inflated the figures. Do they just count ALL the season tickets (as they are pre-sold) as 'attending', then just add in tickets sold and away team tickets sold, to get the total? Otherwise, I agree, the figure looks very wrong.

Why? He's tried to bring him back. Might be further discussions at a later date for all we know. The club needs to make a statement - Keegan has, via the LMA it seems. Prefer it in Ashley's own words.

THAT was in a different lifetime (even if correct) . . . A whole DIFFERENT lifetime (from now). Things - for Ashley - have completely changed now , , , Nothing's changed. In a month this will have all blown over. Be outside and around and then in the ground tomorrow - then tell me nothing has changed and it will all blow over in a month!!

Source? Was in Arabian business weekly or something, was a story from the guy who broke news of the City takeover first. Also if I'm correct it had quotes from the guy who's taken over saying he looked at 3 clubs and Newcastle were one of them. Even if correct - this is not relevant to the current situation (in my view).

THAT was in a different lifetime (even if correct) . . . A whole DIFFERENT lifetime (from now). Things - for Ashley - have completely changed now , , ,

Don't understand that. This is GREAT news. They ARE going to buy us. They want us. Now we know . . . Ashley (though 'stubborn') will sell. When he 'wakes up and smells the roses' he will NOT want to keep us. Its p e r f e c t !!!! We should ALL be -

INDIAN billionaire Anil Ambani says he has pulled out of a deal trying to buy Newcastle United. A spokesman for his Reliance Group said this afternoon: “We are no longer interested in buying Newcastle because of the turbulent conditions which currently exist there and because we have been unable to have any satisfying talks with anyone from the club.” http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2008/09/12/indian-pulls-out-of-toon-bid-72703-21806757/ Oh fuckin' hell. *Sigh* What's next for us, eh? ACTUALLY - THIS IS F A N T A S T I C NEWS! On the assumption that the story is true (big assumption, I know) that means that they have been trying to buy us . . so all the stories in the press about comments attributed to them saying "we were NEVER interested in buying Newcastle United or any Premier League club" were obviously untrue. They ARE after us !!!!! Saying publicly that "they are no longer interested in buying Newcastle United because of the turbulent conditions which currently exist there and because we have been unable to have any satisfying talks with anyone from the club” is simply part of the tactics . . to get things moving! They WANT US folks . . . they do!! Is it a good thing? . . . I'll say so!! IT IS GONNA HAPPEN PEOPLE . . . I really want to share you're optimism ManorPark and understand the reasoning but I still can't see it happening. BELIEVE it

INDIAN billionaire Anil Ambani says he has pulled out of a deal trying to buy Newcastle United. A spokesman for his Reliance Group said this afternoon: “We are no longer interested in buying Newcastle because of the turbulent conditions which currently exist there and because we have been unable to have any satisfying talks with anyone from the club.” http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2008/09/12/indian-pulls-out-of-toon-bid-72703-21806757/ Oh fuckin' hell. *Sigh* What's next for us, eh? ACTUALLY - THIS IS F A N T A S T I C NEWS! On the assumption that the story is true (big assumption, I know) that means that they have been trying to buy us . . so all the stories in the press about comments attributed to them saying "we were NEVER interested in buying Newcastle United or any Premier League club" were obviously untrue. They ARE after us !!!!! Saying publicly that "they are no longer interested in buying Newcastle United because of the turbulent conditions which currently exist there and because we have been unable to have any satisfying talks with anyone from the club” is simply part of the tactics . . to get things moving! They WANT US folks . . . they do!! Is it a good thing? . . . I'll say so!! IT IS GONNA HAPPEN PEOPLE . . . Meant to put these on !!! . . . :dance:

INDIAN billionaire Anil Ambani says he has pulled out of a deal trying to buy Newcastle United. A spokesman for his Reliance Group said this afternoon: “We are no longer interested in buying Newcastle because of the turbulent conditions which currently exist there and because we have been unable to have any satisfying talks with anyone from the club.” http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2008/09/12/indian-pulls-out-of-toon-bid-72703-21806757/ Oh fuckin' hell. *Sigh* What's next for us, eh? ACTUALLY - THIS IS F A N T A S T I C NEWS! On the assumption that the story is true (big assumption, I know) that means that they have been trying to buy us . . so all the stories in the press about comments attributed to them saying "we were NEVER interested in buying Newcastle United or any Premier League club" were obviously untrue. They ARE after us !!!!! Saying publicly that "they are no longer interested in buying Newcastle United because of the turbulent conditions which currently exist there and because we have been unable to have any satisfying talks with anyone from the club” is simply part of the tactics . . to get things moving! They WANT US folks . . . they do!! Is it a good thing? . . . I'll say so!! IT IS GONNA HAPPEN PEOPLE . . .

I can hear them whispering already... "sheep"... "cockney sympathiser"... Still, its great when someone else seems to think as you do, makes the world go round . . .

He thinks (no, he 'knows') that we are irrelevant to him, so he has (and always will) treat us like an irrelevancy . . ie, like sh*t. yep, he has been given loads of stick by his share holders and the stock exchange (after taking their money) and refuses to communicate with any of them only referring to them as “cry babies” – which is probably what the t*** thinks of NUFC fans – “cry babies”. which is a true reflection on quite a few tbh. The truth hurts Mr OK. You just watch how he behaves from now on towards us. Eventually you will all realise what he (our owner) thinks of us (and that includes even YOU) which isn't my point. we're acting like little kids who want our mummy, look at the statement released by true faith as an example. I'm far from convinced by Ashley, and i think he has made some terrible mistakes, but noone is giving ashley any chance to try and make up for that. its either leave or we'll continue boycotting. there's no middle ground. I'm also not taking sides on this yet, you say all that with f*** all to back it up, it may be true, or it may be bullshit, but you've made up your mind that ashley is in the wrong and he needs to go. This is sort of the point I was trying to make about that statement released by True Faith and The Mag. While coming to all sorts of emotional and dangerous conclusions based on nothing more than conjecture, they have issued a rallying cry against the owner. No solutions other than pie in the sky wishful thinking that another mega-billionaire is waiting in the wings to conveniently snap up the toon. In the meantime, the club suffers, the team suffers and ultimately the fans suffer. All this and we don't even know the true story of what went on, yet these supposedly responsible representatives of the fans have waded in as judge and jury to deliver a one-eyed verdict. Cretins. got to admit i'd have expected better from mark jenson. For me, Ashley's prolonged and very deliberate silence speaks volumes.

He thinks (no, he 'knows') that we are irrelevant to him, so he has (and always will) treat us like an irrelevancy . . ie, like sh*t. were you saying he treat us like s*** before KK left? He behaved well towards us back then. He had NO REASON not to. He has a reason 'not to' now (as he now knows what most of us think of him).