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As a 30 year old, I've supported NUFC since I was at school, which was the Keegan era. Obviously I've seen a lot of highs and lows in that time, but today, like many others I feel well and truly done and finally ready to wash my hands of it all. They have extinguished our one last hope. Literally the only feeling which compares to this is when SBR was sacked, and then replaced with Souness. We were riding high at the time with some really good players so I guess that sickly feeling was more to do with being incredulous at the silly logic by the people at the top, rather than fear and hopelessness for the future. Getting rid of literally both our best defender and best player when the club needs them more than ever... it really beggars belief. I have never felt this way in all my years. Not even relegation, not even Carroll, not even the Souness or Allardyce years, not even when Keegan left first or second time. I think this time, it is the biggest middle finger up to the fans that could have been done. And after so long me just grinning and bearing it, or just accepting our fate or wistfully hoping for the best, they've done it, they've finally broken me. The club feels like an Orwellian nightmare at the moment, a vindictive regime whos aim is to break the spirit of anyone who dares to dream or dares to defy. It reminds me of the film equilibrium, where 'feeling' is a thought crime and punishable. Hence we are reduced to becoming passionless, joyless robots who will accept or like what they have dished out for us or else. Although Keegan left in 1997 after Newcastle were floated on the stock exchange against his will, it has never felt like such a corporate machine. This is suppression. Don't dream. Don't you dare believe. Don't get too attached to your heroes. Keep turning up. Paying your money. Rinse and repeat. It is a hell of an achievement to literally take the most passionate supporters in England and to drive the passion out of them within 5-7 years. Honestly, a hell of an achievement. Do not get me started on Pardew. Here is a man with literally ZERO dignity and delusions of grandeur, who is woefully out of his depth. A car crash, a pure embarassment. I wince every day I realise he is associated with us. If he survives the season, he'll be our longest serving PL manager. Disgusting. People talk about Anfield and St James Park being 'electric' in their atmosphere. I'm not sure St James Park will be any time soon, given the apathy and state of many supporters. And they don't really deserve it anymore. This has freed my emotions at least - I can't really be bothered to get too attached to this shite anymore. I support Ben Arfa, just like Keegan and SBR and all the other martyrs, victims and fall guys of the system. All I say is - do not fall for the clubs propaganda. They lie over and over. They are indicative of a totalitarian, police state. HBA was the symbol of the revolution, the uprising. They've ripped the heart out of that. There are two responses - the revolution can die a death, without its figurehead. Or this can be the straw that breaks the camels back, and the level of vitriol or boycott should be so significant that it brings about change. There's not enough thinkers amongst the fans to make this likely, unfortunately. Sad times.

Yes this is exactly what I meant, spot on

We had this guy for his peak years. Again the question has to be - what would Robson or Keegan have done? Ben Arfa wasn't as badly behaved as Dyer or Bellamy yet it is more talented than the both of them. Both aforementioned managers would have built their teams around him. Made him feel like the best player in the world. That's all that was required with him, he showed for the first time, in that 2012 5th season end product, but more than that, a willingness to finally knuckle down and make something of himself. Pardew is a charlatan, and probably a worse manager than Souness. Anyone backing this clown over HBA really needs a reality check. That is the real sadness, it is over what could have been and the injustice. He is still only 27 - apart from that one injury he is not a has been or overly knackered like Owen was gettting to be at that age, nor demotivated like Kluivert (who again was one of my favourites on his day). A club that treats loyal staff like Gutierrez in such a shambolic fashion should never be backed - the club has lost its soul and class.

Sad He's so damn good.

It should be the managers own teams they built (so a season or two into the reign) rather than the team they inherited. E.g. Souness would be Emre / Parker (as opposed to Robert and Bellamy in the team) Dalglish would be Serrant and Des Hamilton and Barnes as opposed to Ginola and Ferdinand etc etc

I think it would go something like this. Solano '13 (free kick) Albert 18 (header) Ferdinand '36 Shearer (P) '41 HT Robert '67 (25 yarder) Ferdinand '84 Bellamy sent off '86 Speed '90 (corner, last minute header) 4-3 Robson Both managers hug at full time on the pitch I think that the Premier League improved vastly from 1995 to 2003 (and even more to now) in terms of calibre, hence the team that was good enough to finish 4th in 2003 probably would have won it in 1995. Whereas the '95 team, awesome as it was at the time, probably wouldn't have been 12 points clear in 2003. This is based on absolutely no substance whatsoever! And is probably the most pointless post ever.

It's criminal what we've done to this guy. It really is. I really hope he digs his heels in and sticks his ground, and Pardew is sacked after 4-5 games.

Ironically, the only one that is a true 'upgrade' on the previous incumbents is actually Colback, who is better than Gosling. Cabaye > De Jong HBA > Cabella Debuchy > Janmaat Remy >>>>> Riviere Based on bias. No not bias: Debuchy, stats wise and otherwise has been seen as one of the top-performing right backs in Europe for the past few seasons. France's undisputed number 1, etc etc. Janmaat is younger yes, but is not yet as established nor as proven. Ditto HBA/Cabella - HBA talent wise is one of the most technically outstanding players of his generation. Cabella has never been talked about in that breath, although albeit has had a good last season. So it's not biased at all, it's fact. This can all naturally change, given the alternatives and younger and hungrier etc than their predecessors.

Ironically, the only one that is a true 'upgrade' on the previous incumbents is actually Colback, who is better than Gosling. Cabaye > De Jong HBA > Cabella Debuchy > Janmaat Remy >>>>> Riviere

Eriksson also flopped in three main issues for England: 1. Scholes - there is no reason at all, if used properly in a Pirlo type of role that he could not have been playing (even at this world cup!). For someone with continental experience you would have expected him to be able to utilise that type of system more so than most British managers who tend to be limited in their understanding and experience of using such roles as a deep lying playmaker. There was always the Gerrard / Lampard debate - but never Scholes, who was shoehorned criminally on the left side. 2. For such a good side on paper, they were largely a lucky team (Germany 5-1 aside). I don't remember a single game against top opposition where I felt really positive or that we dominated to such an extent or that I enjoyed our style of play. In fact the last time England looked good, was under Glenn Hoddle in France 98. I think that team with Shearer, Owen, etc were more unlucky than most. They gave a good Argentina side featuring a peak Batistuta a helluva game with only 10 men and had a goal ruled out. They shouldn't have really faced Argentina as it was only down to a silly penalty against Romania that ensured we finished second as opposed to top of the group. 3. Too many random caps for random players. Devaluing the concept of playing for England. The likes of Powell, Ricketts etc. Let's not forget his personal life was constantly in question, Ulrika, Faria, Nancy etc. The coach should be stable and not be that newsworthy. He didn't justify his huge salary at all for me.

I hated Dalglish. Dalglish was a catastrophic manager. I could have managed the Liverpool sides of 87-88 and 89-90 to the Championship with players they had. As soon as the writing was on the wall (the 4-4 v. Everton in the FAC the catalyst), he did a runner (even before the replay!) He was, frankly, lucky to win the Prem with Blackburn or, rather, he had Shearer who basically won it on his tod. Thereafter, it got worse and worse - he shat it at Blackburn, embarrassed himself and Celtic both with his managerial efforts there and pathetic stunts like taking press conferences in an East End pub, then shat it again. The best was yet to come, though, with his '2nd coming' at Liverpool, culminating in possibly the funniest 90mins I have ever seen at SJP when we dismantled his Liverpool side 2-0 on 1.4.12. His second tenure at Anfield was remarkable only for its ineptitude, his disgraceful backing of Suarez, the Suarez t-shirts, the 'he shouldn't have been banned in the first place' humility when Suarez returned from suspension, his 'I think I'm being clever but I'm coming across like a c*nt' press conferences, etc. etc. Horrible, twisted man. Horrible, talentless manager. Comparable to Pardew in many ways, but at least KD has some medals.

Including last season and this seasons - has someone ever scored as many goals that have ended up being ruled out? I remember at least 6-7 last season and a couple from this season now. Yes some are self inflicted but had even half of them stood we wouldn't necessarily be thinking he had completely lost it and was a lost cause etc etc

Being from Nottingham - Andy Cole was actually in the same class as my cousin at school and remember being impressed that they were 'friends' - especially given this was around 1994-95 when he was scoring for fun. So I picked my club at that point... (I was 11 - had always been more into cricket at that point) My mates at school were incredulous - especially as Forest finished 3rd that season with Collymore being the best thing since sliced bread etc. But have never looked back... despite the constant digs in the time since then! Andy Cole's brother actually lived next door to a another friend of mine - so I got to meet him once when I was around. It also helps that Alan Shearer was also my favourite non-Newcastle player at the time - so I was obviously over the moon when he joined... I also helped to 'convert' a few of my friends / relatives who were just getting into footy at the time or just coming into the country - one guy in particular was the hugest Asprilla fan. Another was mesmerised by Dyer (a little later). Needless to say these guys never lasted. I did. Been a lone soldier ever since!

Lukaku instead of Gomis temporarily - now that would have made all the sense in the world. Then get Gomis on a free transfer on a pre-contract deal in Jan 1. It's really not difficult, this director of football lark.

Wouldn't actually mind Glenn Hoddle - if we must go for 90's appointments as seems MA's forte. His teams do play good football at least. The last time I enjoyed watching England was WC 1998 and the Hoddle Era, really.

Genuine ITK (I'm from Nottingham so don't ever usually come across these) but I've been told bookies have stopped taking bets on Pardew leaving following a flurry... so must mean he's going? Genuinely just been told by a client based in North East... Wonder if it's true!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/match-report-aston-villa-drop-into-bottom-three-after-yohan-cabaye-fires-newcastle-8471921.html Gutierrez Man of the Match. Hilarious!

Lee Ryder is a Nantes (nonce)

I refuse Toulose another player at the last minute

I'm Sochaux he's hard as nails not just a French Nancy

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/120927/newcastle-three-way-battle-ivory-coast-hitman-181884 Doumbia - what a front three that would be. Clinical as they come.

Every start Perch has made this season at CB we have conceded 4 goals! Forest, Blackburn and Norwich! That + goal difference will be gone after the next two games!

The only keeper that was actually 'renowned' for his record of penalty saving was Mark Crossley - ex Forest - and even then not sure why, or what his record was! Probably because he actually saved a Matt Le Tissier one once. To be honest the problem is we've given too many away already this season - not that Krul is not good at saving them! No keeper is particularly great at saving penalties, there's not that much of a science to it! Steve Harper also got two penalties scored past him yesterday!

Smith and Amdy Faye are much much worse.

I can confirm Ben Arfa is still quick as hell! I wouldn't say lightning quick going on todays showing, but there was one moment when he set up Lovenkrands for a tame shot when he did one of his bursts of pace with close control and left the defenders in his wake... promising signs indeed!