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Quite easy when you dont cross the halfway line and every pass goes about 2 yards though. http://smileyti.me/wp-content/uploads/watch-out-we-got-badass-facebook0chat-code.jpg

So Modric had 100 % passing success in 1st half.

Phil Tompson in the Norwegian PL Studio with a pink shirt and red tie highlight so far (besides the cat).

Jesus Christ Liverpool are boring.

And people say Liverpool play better football then us?

The composure is ridiculous.

Still rewatching dat goal.

Aye, always makes me laugh that some seem to make out that goalkeepers making good saves isn't fair or something. Yes ideally they'd have nowt to do, but how many winning teams have w*** keepers? Over the season I've heard (not on this forum) that we'd be f***ed without Ba banging in the goals. We'd be f***ed without Krul's saves. We'd be f***ed without Colo's composure holding our defence together. We'd be f***ed without Tiote being a beast in the middle. At what point does this individual brilliance saving us from being mediocre make us a reasonably good team? You lot can be a bunch of vultures at times. Okay, it's a valid point that just because a keeper is making a big contribution doesn't mean that we don't deserve the success. The point I was wanting to put across though was that, in terms of the quality of our outfield football, we've been no better than mid-table at best. The other six teams in the top seven are still a class above us in that respect. None of the other players you've mentioned, as individuals, have been as important to our current position. Liverpool absolutely no way. On par maybe, but a class above is a lie.

Krul Simo Willi Colo Santon Perch Obi Gosling Guthrie Jonas Shameobi :anguish:

Spurs dnb Malaga dnb 1860 München

Shola is on the bench! 11 players again! Football! Ben Arfa dropped for Ryan Taylor Well fuck it, Ba will probably run the show. SMASH THEM!

which logic is this ? Well it seems people think Ben Arfa isn't starting because of his last two games (I can't see any other reason for it), and by that logic OTHER players who've played unsatisfying should ALSO not start the game. I'm not saying he'll start for certain, but yeah I give up. Pardew obviously has a major issue with players carrying the ball trying to do something with it. (i.e showing some individualism, rocket science I know). And I'm assuming this is because of the potential failure ratio, meaning possession loss. Well, that's an unreasonable state of mind, when you just have to look a bit further up the pitch and behold possession loss and clumsiness beyond comprehension. Doesn't add up. Which is sad.

If we're going by that logic, Best and Ameobi certainly wont start, so at least we'll have some quality up front.

The reason his last club willingly relinquished his services was because he arrived here on his own accord, they had little or no choice. Also, a player moving clubs doesn’t highlight a flaw, a club has to want a player as much or more than a club wanting to get rid before a move can take place. Deschamps wanted to sell him before he wanted to leave. He tried to change his mind after the top goalscorer left, but HBA was really not in his plans. They had been previous altercations between the two of them in training as well. Exactly, it's getting silly now and a lot seems to be based solely on the defence of one player. I like Ben Arfa a hell of a lot, he can be an absolute genius and has the natural ability far beyond a player we could (normally) realistically attract but it's also not difficult to see why he would cause a manager concern at times. It is a genuine shame that the issue is stopping some from enjoying a fantastic season. You can guarantee the same group will moan before every game that he won't start, moan if he doesn't start (usually with a comment like "well that's cost us the game!") or if he does start moan that others on the pitch didn't give him enough chances to show what he can do. He has the attention Barton could only dream of He has done brilliantly in the limited chances he has been given but there have also been clear signs why a manager who has based our eye opening success this season on team work has had to hold him back at times. I don't understand these obvious concerns a manager in Pardew's position would have about playing Ben Arfa. Care to enlighten me? Inconsistency, petulance, a tendency to fade out of games, and a complete lack of defensive capability? He is a fantastic, but innately flawed player. There is a reason why he is beloved. There are also reason for his past two clubs willingly relinquished his services. Inconsistency can hardly be a concern as you need a certain amount of games in your best position to be judged upon that. Defensive capability is irrelevant in the same way attacking capability is irrelevant for Steven Taylor. Petulance? Meh, reckon this is based on Lyon stories. What is his best position? He has been given a plethora of opportunities on the wing in France (at the top clubs in a supposedly inferior league), and has not ever given consistent product or effort. Attacking ability is not irrelevant for Steve Taylor. The ability to contribute in an offensive manner is often what separates top defenders from average ones. It is the same with attackers. If Ben Arfa provided more in terms of tracking back and help to his fullback, there would not be a need to compensate for him being in the side, and managers would have no issue starting him. This is not the case. I like the player a lot, but he is not perfect. He should also adapt instead of just managers adopting to him. His best position is the trequartista role behind two strikers, wandering to the left, maybe swapping positions for periods with the left winger. In other words a free role. This works quite fine with movement from other players. And with Ba and Cisse up front you'd be a fool not to exploit this. I disagree with the attacking/defending responsibilities with regards to certain players and roles. For instance, Steven Taylor should sit deep and do what he does best, whilst Colo could storm forward because of his abilities to do so. And as long as Ben Arfa shows and tries to retain the ball after loosing it, you can't really ask for more. I mean, seriously. You can't possibly expect Ben Arfa to contribute defensively like Tiote does? I may misunderstand, but that's what I'm getting from most on here. He should adapt if that is what's asked of him, but you can't strip his qualities from him.

Exactly, it's getting silly now and a lot seems to be based solely on the defence of one player. I like Ben Arfa a hell of a lot, he can be an absolute genius and has the natural ability far beyond a player we could (normally) realistically attract but it's also not difficult to see why he would cause a manager concern at times. It is a genuine shame that the issue is stopping some from enjoying a fantastic season. You can guarantee the same group will moan before every game that he won't start, moan if he doesn't start (usually with a comment like "well that's cost us the game!") or if he does start moan that others on the pitch didn't give him enough chances to show what he can do. He has the attention Barton could only dream of He has done brilliantly in the limited chances he has been given but there have also been clear signs why a manager who has based our eye opening success this season on team work has had to hold him back at times. I don't understand these obvious concerns a manager in Pardew's position would have about playing Ben Arfa. Care to enlighten me? Inconsistency, petulance, a tendency to fade out of games, and a complete lack of defensive capability? He is a fantastic, but innately flawed player. There is a reason why he is beloved. There are also reason for his past two clubs willingly relinquished his services. Inconsistency can hardly be a concern as you need a certain amount of games in your best position to be judged upon that. Defensive capability is irrelevant in the same way attacking capability is irrelevant for Steven Taylor. Petulance? Meh, reckon this is based on Lyon stories.

Heerenveen won 4-3.

Just to sum things up; 16 apps (fuck knows how many full 90), 3 goals going by Wikipedia. 16! Let's judge him after 251 ey

I'm not sure what that mines, but think i might agree People are complaining about Ben Arfa's work rate as it was supposed to be a part of his game. 1) Not sure why they complain in the first place, it's not like there's a million examples of him showing this lack of work rate as opposed to other players in this club. 2) Ben Arfa is an attacking minded player, a ball carrier and therefore he needs movement in front of him. It's quite astonishing the way people are slagging him off already when you look at the whole situation, or more precisely the environment he's been given to create something in. 3) Whether he plays on the wing or in the trequarista role he can't be shot down for lack of work rate on the same level as the players in the team who ACTUALLY have those responsibilities. I'm not saying he's supposed to jog around or walk around not giving a fuck like Shola, and get away with it, but that's not the reality of it either. At the end of the day there's nothing to complain about. With Ben Arfa's potential given freedom in a team with genuine quality and movement in front of him, it's criminal to suggest him getting benched for Obertan. My word, have some love for the game.

FFS. Is it so fucking hard to separate players like HBA and defensive minded players with ditto duties in their game? Unbelievable.

I. Quotation marks II. Premiership Club (at the time) > Championship Club (at the time III. You pedantic b****** http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/213/760/1323220531001.jpg

Simpson is a decent player imo. Not ideal, but PL quality. And the important thing is he's our best alternative atm, Santon aside (who's shifted to LB because of Simpson.) That said, we should look into buying another fullback in the summer. People comparing him to Shola quality wise is a joke. The vast difference in contribution to the team and performances alone should tell you all you need to know about that.

Not seen much of him since he left, but I'd take him. Probably still better than Simpson and Raylor.

2-0 loss. Shola to reach undiscovered levels of Sholaness.