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You know Dave, I wouldn't have even thought of that "in a gay way". I do now though. Backs against the walls lads, Dave's around.

That was my point.

mackems.gif Thanks mate, that's actually made me laugh.

Dignity, self respect, wants to protect himself from a negative image. Wsan't he quoted as saying he's enjoying himself just recently? Must have had a poor life if he's enjoying this.

Dignity, self respect, wants to protect himself from a negative image.

Probably. I think he was going to get it before Hughton.

He's been left in the s***, but I wouldn't imagine the bit in bold is true. Even if it's not Liam, the players are going to want answers which means a whole boat load of s*** for Hughton, while he's trying to coach/manage/pick the team. Which ever way you look at it, they've shafted him. He has, but he probably doesn't want to pick the team anyway. You have to give him credit for sticking around.

It is a good point, not one I'd really thought of before posting previously. I think when we went down before, it wasn't that difficult to come back up. These days, if you don't get back in your first season, bearing in mind you still get the TV money, you have to restructure the whole club due to the financial implications of spending a sustained amount of time down there. It would put us back years if we go down and won't be any near the same club again, unless a major investor comes along. Comparing it to the 1992 relegation possibility, I would say that could have been worse, if the club spent any significant amount of time down there, then I still think that would have absolutely devasted us as a club and possibly worse as SJH would likely have washed his hands of us.

He wasn't one of Keegan's appointments - so it seems, yet he's been thrown to the dogs by the people who recruited him. Heard yesterday that he hasn't heard from a member of the NUFC 'hierarchy' for 14 days. If this is true they've left him in a job that he doesn't seem to want, but is having to do with his hands tied behind his back. I know he's being paid, but he could quite easily have walked away and left us completely in the shit, fair enough we haven't won any games under him, but the players need someone to look to. In this mess, he's one of the few people who will come out of it with some sort of credibility.

Stood in the away end at Derby in 1992, watching the fourth Derby goal go in and thinking that's it. Feeling powerless to do anything about it as a clueless ref sent off our 3rd player (although I've never experienced an atmosphere like it since). SJH warning that the club may not survive if we were relegated. Actually, come to think of it, I think that was when one of mates unscrewed one of the light bulbs from the scoreboard, took it home and tried it in his bedroom for a couple of days. It was like the fucking aliens were landing in his room. He got bollocked for the size of the leccy bill as well. So some happy memories as well.

that is the first time you have ever written down clearly what you think, and feel. EVERY other time you have tried to put words into peoples mouths, made accusations about what you think they think, or what they want. If you had expressed yourself as you have in this post then you would have few arguments from me, or others. My grouse with Hall and Shepherd began in 2003 n they seemed to take their eye off the ball. Up to then they had speculated to try and improve, then, for some reason they just started randomly increasing salaries, givinbg out 5 year contracts, randomly appointing managers, and not speculating to improve, but gambling to survive. That was the difference. Without a shadow of a doubt staying in the top division was a major achievement, worthy of credit. I am old enough to appreciate this. Every side in England has a new stadium, or vastly improved stadium, though, us having one doesn't Shepherd apart from the rest. The last season under McKeag we lost £3m, on only £4.2m coming in to the club. The club spent £440,000 on new players. We also spent £300,000 getting rid of a Jim Smith. We had a wage bill of £2.6m. We had debts of £7m. The reason I quote all these boring numbers is that if you multiply them all up it is essentially the state that Shepherd left the club in 16 years later. £32m loss on £87m income. Spent more than 10% of income on new players. Spent the same sort of percentage sacking the manager, again. Wages were 70% of income, debts of £70m. To me Shepherd has left the club with the same financial mess that John Hall inherited, we have had great fun along the way, many fortunes have been made, but looking at what he has passed to his successor, it is scarily similar to 1991. Just as it couldn't go on in 1991 it could not have continued in 2007. We were fortunate to get Sir John, we have been unfortunate to get Mike Ashley. If Shepherd had stayed in charge there would have been no money to "speculate" cos there was nowhere to get the money from, it had all gone. You're a liar. You wrote a piece in the mag in 1998, around the time of the FA Cup Final, whinging on about dividends etc. I quoted this once before. Have you forgotten , because you replied to it, and also harped on about your moronic support of that cretin Adam Crozier and how he would be the "ideal" chairman of the club. I have ALWAYS said, and said it often, that the Halls and Shepherd left the club miles better than how they found it. If you weren't so obsessed with reading your balance sheets, and concentrating on the football which happens to be the industry that we are in, you would have seen it. The fact that you have disappeared for all this time, and re-appeared talking yet again about nothing but finance should tell its own story. I really couldn't give a toss about those figures above. The simple fact is, the club was bankrupt in 1991, counldn't sell it for 2.5m quid, had one foot in the 3rd division, played in front of a cow shed masquerading as a football stadium and 15 years later, had qualified for europe more than everybody but 4 teams, played in the Champions League, expanded the stadium to one of the best and biggest in the UK, and filled it, bought major international players instead of selling them, and was worth one of the highest valuations in the country through massively raising the profile of the club, is the legacy. By the way, you have constantly whinged on about the club "doing a Leeds", through overspending. Well, the club is now heading the way of Leeds, and its for the opposite reason to your claims. Its heading that way because of underinvestment on players. Even you should find this slightly ironic. I'm sure a smart lad like you will recognise the irony of this.............. You're clueless. And you have one hell of a chip on your shoulder, just because the ex board refused you a say in the running of the football club, which is a strange demand to put it mildly. One last point. You say we were "lucky to get Sir John". Well, Sir John was lucky to have Fletcher, Hall Jnr and Shepherd as his co-directors, because these were the people who were completely responsible for getting Keegan to the club first time round, when Sir John didn't want to change the manager and they almost threw him into his lap and forced him to sack Ardiles. Depending on who you believe, but I tend to believe what Keegan says in his own book. Unless you think what we achieved would have happened with any old Charllie Bloggs as manager of the football team, such is your apparent view that the "business plan" and the balance sheet come first. You really couldn't make this up. Someone else who has learned absolutely nothing from the events of the last 2 weeks. 'Sir John lucky to have Fletcher..' Sorry, NE5, I'm afraid that it was the other way round ; Fletcher was a FORMER exec at Rangers before he got involved in NUFC,and his initial brief was to sort out the club's Promotions/ Retail Op.. SJH placed a great deal of trust in him and gave him plenty of licence ..he made himself into a millionaire with SJH's help and, if you were able to ask SJH what happened in later years you would not get a very happy story... Ask KD what HE thought of Fletcher.... As for complaining that SJH didn't want to sack Ardiles, yes, maybe he WAS misguided, but this club has been criticised for lack of stability on too many occasions ; KK had NO interference in his job when SJH was Chairman - can Shepherd make that claim about his managers, esp SBR, when he sold Speed without Robson's approval ?? Fletcher had a very good go at shutting the fanzines down.

Wouldn't say a fair few things, but his second from last post was very condescending. Can't even be bothered to read his guff anymore, on any thread. Obnoxious bastard.

Did you honestly expect a good crowd? Good....No. Better than it was...Yes. Just dissappointed because the one thing that has always been a credit to Newcastle United is it's fans. The one thing people collectively always highlight to be good about our club....and as soon as we have a month of problems, no-one turns up? so untrue. we're a laughing stock among other fans and have been for years. Utter fucking rubbish. This.

Dont worry. That will get ignored by every form of media tomorrow Will ours be played up?

Aye cheers fo rthat. I was wondering that myself, what with Oliver rattling on about the price being dropped as well (not that means much mind). Maybe a bit of free publicity?

"The spokesman for a Nigerian firm looking to buy out Mike Ashley says they are in a race with an Arab group to raise the asking price. Chris Nathaniel, chief executive officer of London-based NVA Management, says he has the backing of a number of African entrepreneurs in his company's bid for the club. He claims the group already has £350m worth of backing and hopes to secure a further £50m to £100m before any of the rival bidders can meet Ashley's valuation. NVA represents stars of sport, film, TV and music, and lists Rio Ferdinand among its clients and claims to also have advised former Toon boss Sam Allardyce and ex-Magpies and striker Andy Cole. Nathaniel, also the founder, said: "All along I have been working hard to get wealthy and football-loving Nigerian entrepreneurs to buy the club since Mike Ashley indicated his willingness to sell the club to the person, people or entrepreneurs who can meet the £400m selling price of the club. "Right now I am happy to tell you that well-meaning Nigerians have responded, and the consortium of Nigerian entrepreneurs has so far contributed £350m to buy the club. "Ashley has stood his ground that he won't sell the club until the money is raised to the asking price of £400m. So what that means is that we need to raise another £50m or £100m to shut the door behind the other top Arab companies who are also interested in the club. "The Arab companies have also indicated interest and made offers - but they haven't met the asking price too." Ashley is believed to be looking for a double-his-money figure of £480million and has appointed a leading investment bank - Seymour Price - to attract potential bidders and handle the sale of the club. Seymour Pierce is headed by Keith Harris, a director of Wembley National Stadium Limited, who has already advised a string of Premier League clubs over takeovers - including Chelsea, Aston Villa and Manchester City." http://www.clubcall.com/newcastle-united/nigerian-firm-admit-arab-race-790373.html Not that that is supposed to prove anything, just showing you what you had missed. What article form the Telegraph?

The same Shearer who had a far better idea than you about whether our 'best player' should have been at the club.

On the contrary. Nigeria is probably the wealthiest African state. But also the most corrupt nation on the planet. Which is why I wouldn't want a Nigerian consortium anywhere near the club. Meaning what? All Nigerians can afford tomato sauce on their chips? A Nigeria snippet: "Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa and the eighth most populous country in the world with a population of over 140 million. It is a regional power and it is also listed among the "Next Eleven" economies. The economy of Nigeria is one of the fastest growing in the world with the International Monetary Fund projecting a growth of 9% in 2008 and 8.3% in 2009" Meaning it has a GDP similar to that of Switzerland. Of course, it also has the population of the UK and Germany combined, but there's still enough wealth to go around for a few rich people.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2008/sep/21/celebrity Doesn't sound like a Geordie surname. Hope he doesn't get in, as "Finnish-Jewish mafia out" hasn't got the same ring to it. Will there be enough people to carry the new banner at half time? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poju_Zabludowicz and his investment group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamares_Group

Apparently Steven Taylor wants to leave now. From the HATCHET MAN ffs. Shields Gazette now running a story denying it. http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1059571/HATCHET-MAN-Who-earth-want-stay-shambles-Newcastle.html?ITO=1490

thought you`d just made that up and was taking the piss Full article from KickOffNigeria.com : "Newcastle set for Nigerian take over Posted: 2008-09-21 15:06 A consortium of wealthy Nigerians may soon take over English Premiership side, Newcastle United. Since the current owner of the club, Mike Ashley announced his intention to sell, the Nigerians are trying to meet the £400m (about ninety six billion naira) 96,000,000,000. Chief Executive Officer of the NVA Management, Chris Nathaniel, who’s company is handling the deal told KickOffNigeria.com that Nigeria is favoured to make history as the first African country to own a Premier League club side if the deal sails through. “All along I have been working hard to get wealthy and football loving Nigerian Entrepreneurs to buy the club since the owner Mike Ashley indicated his willingness to sell the club to the person, people or entrepreneurs that can meet the 400 million pounds selling price of the club. “Right now I am happy to tell you that well meaning Nigerians have responded and the consortium of Nigerian entrepreneurs has so far contributed 350 million pounds to buy the club but the club boss, Ashley stood his ground that he won’t sell the club until the money is raised to the asking price of 400 million pounds. “So what that means is that we need to raise another 50 or 100 million pounds to shut the door behind the other top Arab companies that are also interested in the club. The Arab companies have also indicated interest and made offer but they haven’t met the asking price too,” Nathaniel revealed to KickOffNigeria.com." Link: http://www.kickoffnigeria.com/static/news/article.php?id=2651

The results/performances vs Hull and West Ham, the reaction of the fans, the turmoil his actions have left the club in. Are you f***ing blind? I'm getting sick of these idiots who support Keegan over what's best for the club. We don't need you. That's right, fuck off if you have a different opinion. This, this this.

Do you think many decent mangers would have come and accepted Dennis Wise telling them which players they are getting? No different to last January then.

I suppose it depends on whether you want to stand around drinking with someone who would jump around manically waving their arms in the air shouting "I told you so" at the top of their voice, while also telling anyone within earshot that you really do believe him but won't admit it. No thanks, I'd rather stick blunt pencils in my eyes. your making things up again thats a bad habit, it affects your ability to make sound judgements. I know for a fact you won't see the irony in that statement. As I've said, it's not your viewpoint, it's the way you put it across. Maybe it says a bit about CG as well.

I suppose it depends on whether you want to stand around drinking with someone who would jump around manically waving their arms in the air shouting "I told you so" at the top of their voice, while also telling anyone within earshot that you really do believe him but won't admit it. No thanks, I'd rather stick blunt pencils in my eyes.