Jackie Broon

The sooner Bein is reinstated, the better. The time it's taking seems to suggest that we're actually seen as a minor investment by PIF rather than being something MbS would be involved with or that bothered about.

The position seems to be more like that the issue of beIN broadcasting could have potentially been a way of getting it through before arbitration, it shouldn't actually impact on the arbitration case. Ultimately that is not the PL's official issue, it's whether the Saudi state should be named as a director. It seems from what's been reported that the arbitration process could conclude mid Feburay / March, in which case the issues with beIN would be irrelevant (assuming that the club win).

He causes me proper pericombobulation like.

I can't stand the way he speaks. Like he's read through a dictionary picking out long words and then just randomly inserts them into sentences with clearly no understanding of what they mean, so other people with no understanding of what they mean will think he sounds intelligent.

He already knows this, it's literally happened to him twice already. He just falsely believes that we'll somehow scrape 17th with a loan signing or two and that what we've seen so far is just bad luck rather than a result of rancid team management. What we all need to do is get behind Bruce 100%, be really clear as a fanbase that he's one of us, we fully support him and believe he can take us forward. He'd be gone in an instant!

Not officially, the PL's official position is that that the Saudi state should be included as a director in the O&D test, although they have refused to actually make a formal decision on that basis. The piracy issue might then become a reason to disqualify the Saudi state, but it's hard to see how they could actually do that within the scope of the test.

Do we know for an absolute fact that relegation is a show stopper ? They've spent so long on this, it would be a decision made on such short term thinking if they dropped it because of relegation. With the right structure and management in place, quick promotion back to the PL could be achieved. Buying the club will be a long term plan so it would appear a bit silly to dump it all for maybe 1/2 years in the championship. They want the club because of it's potential. Relegation doesn't take that potential away. All of the “ITK’s” have stated that it’s off it we’re relegated. Should we choose to believe that they know the takeover is still on but ignore that part? Oh of course not. It's as likely to be as correct as all the other info that they provide. I think i'm looking for reasons as to why Ashley doesn't appear to be panicking. As much as he likes to gamble, I can't believe he (or the buyers) would gamble on this falling through, given how much has been spent on it. Ashley has shown time and time again that he is willing to take that sort of gamble. Should the issues with the O&D test be sorted any time soon I can't see the takeover going through until the outcome of that gamble is known. If he's prepared to gamble on relegation and subsequently the sale, then it tells me that he isn't truly committed to getting rid of the club. That and that he is an utter fuckwit. He's spent the past 13 years doing everything he could to prove exactly that.

Do we know for an absolute fact that relegation is a show stopper ? They've spent so long on this, it would be a decision made on such short term thinking if they dropped it because of relegation. With the right structure and management in place, quick promotion back to the PL could be achieved. Buying the club will be a long term plan so it would appear a bit silly to dump it all for maybe 1/2 years in the championship. They want the club because of it's potential. Relegation doesn't take that potential away. All of the “ITK’s” have stated that it’s off it we’re relegated. Should we choose to believe that they know the takeover is still on but ignore that part? Oh of course not. It's as likely to be as correct as all the other info that they provide. I think i'm looking for reasons as to why Ashley doesn't appear to be panicking. As much as he likes to gamble, I can't believe he (or the buyers) would gamble on this falling through, given how much has been spent on it. Ashley has shown time and time again that he is willing to take that sort of gamble. Should the issues with the O&D test be sorted any time soon I can't see the takeover going through until the outcome of that gamble is known.

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And Miles taking his glasses off too

That may be the biggest problem for you but the Council had absolutely no ability to refuse the planning application on that basis. There is only one person to blame, that's Mike Ashley. Although, the Strawberry Place development doesn't necessarily prevent future expansion of the Gallowgate.

And why is there a £150m loan agreement between PCP and St James Holdings Ltd still in place and not satisfied? Surely if the deal had died that would have been cleared up by now and PCP would have walked away without their £13m deposit that is part of the agreement. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/OC311146/charges

The O&D test doesn't actually preclude someone who has been convicted of murder in a foreign country (or in the opinion of the PL board would have been in this country) from becoming a director. Other than UK convictions with a sentence of a year or more, the test only relates to acts of criminal dishonesty and other specific stuff such as ticket touting.

If there was no challenge we'll hear on Monday. Otherwise we'll hear by the end of the month. Would fit in with HTT’s claim.... Or someone else has worked out the sames timeline and HTT is gong off that rather than proper intel. But in HTT we trust (in the absence/never existence of Mimms) I’m not on Twitter and don’t follow any other s****, I know I’m a gob s**** and have p*ssed a few off with the 3.00pm Friday stuff but I do genuinely have a source which I genuinely believe is credible and as much as I’m a gobshite, all joking aside I would never mislead people on here other than the 3.00pm s**** which I’d like to believe most in here know is, well, me being a bit of a p*ss taker. I have been told we could see some very positive news by Monday on the legal side. My source works with PCP and another source is high up in government although not my own source, it’s a 3rd party one, but has delivered before and again when this is all done and dusted I’d like to think some on here will vouch for that who I’ve shared info with. Interestingly the 3rd party source is saying nothing at all which leads me to believe we are in the sensitive stage of the takeover where it’s not if, but when, and this could be very soon. Not 3.00pm Friday next week soon, but the end of this month or sometime February? I’m 100% confident anyway... He's done this for years, through previous takeover sagas, he has a 100% record of bullshit. Aww bless him tomorrow when nothing happens and he realises he’s fell for HTT’s pish Followed by Biden's inauguration on Wednesday... poor gullible lad.

If there was no challenge we'll hear on Monday. Otherwise we'll hear by the end of the month. Would fit in with HTT’s claim.... Or someone else has worked out the sames timeline and HTT is gong off that rather than proper intel. But in HTT we trust (in the absence/never existence of Mimms) I’m not on Twitter and don’t follow any other s****, I know I’m a gob s**** and have p*ssed a few off with the 3.00pm Friday stuff but I do genuinely have a source which I genuinely believe is credible and as much as I’m a gobshite, all joking aside I would never mislead people on here other than the 3.00pm s**** which I’d like to believe most in here know is, well, me being a bit of a p*ss taker. I have been told we could see some very positive news by Monday on the legal side. My source works with PCP and another source is high up in government although not my own source, it’s a 3rd party one, but has delivered before and again when this is all done and dusted I’d like to think some on here will vouch for that who I’ve shared info with. Interestingly the 3rd party source is saying nothing at all which leads me to believe we are in the sensitive stage of the takeover where it’s not if, but when, and this could be very soon. Not 3.00pm Friday next week soon, but the end of this month or sometime February? I’m 100% confident anyway... He's done this for years, through previous takeover sagas, he has a 100% record of bullshit.

More evidence for De Marco and co to show our takeover was subjected to far stricter scrutiny than any previous. I would have thought the government would have pushed for them to accept the bid. Premier league went to them.... I think they would, but the point is why did they feel they had to go to them. It’s meant to be a confidential process and if scrutiny of our takeover has been shown to be different to others, it all plays into the narrative that we have been treat differently. I expect to tell them that they are going to reject the bid and wanted to explain why (Piracy) or get more info on the buyers. Also we probably have been treated differently but I can't think of any club being bought while at the same time running an illegal sports stations that steals games. I'm still confused by this. Is it PIF that are illegally streaming games? Is this still going on? https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/6/16/explainer-the-piracy-case-against-saudis-beoutq-channel Think we all know if the Saudis wanted to shut it down they could. Probably could have but its still got nothing to do with PIF. Separate legal entity which is what do marco is trying to prove. I suppose its a bit like having a limited company over here. I am the sole director and shareholder of my company, i earn its money, i spend it, i have complete control over the business, its direction and its finances. But legally, its separate to me. That's where a problem arises though surely. As the owners and directors test has to find the parties who are have control over said company. With PIF describing themselves as the sovereign wealth fund of the state then the state surely has control over PIF. So it doesn't really matter if it's a separate legal entity in itself in that respect. And there he is! Laugh a minute this lad. Why is he wrong here though? Because, as far as I understand it, the legal position can only be a matter of the law of the country where they are based. It has been reported that the highest legal authority in Saudi Arabia has determined that PIF are legally autonomous and therefore they are legally autonomous from the state. Whilst it may seem like common sense that the state has control over its sovereign wealth fund, it's the law that matters. If the PL are so sure of their position, why have they refused to make a formal decision on that basis? Ultimately though, I think the PL have probably won with their tactic of delaying until it goes away. Even when we win the arbitration case, I doubt it will go ahead unless and until our survival is secured, and that seems very distant and precarious.

They changed the rules after that Doesn't matter, the test is ongoing, directors have to undergo it before the start of every season and can be disqualified at any time if the PL becomes aware of any disqualifying circumstances. The immunity from disqualification from the old rules only applies to one very limited circumstance which is: "the Disqualifying Event is a Conviction imposed between 19th August 2004 and 5 June 2009 for an offence which would not have led to disqualification as a Director under the Rules of the League as they applied during that period".

Even if the issues with the PL are sorted doubt the takeover will go ahead until safety is confirmed now, why would they take that risk with no ability to influence our fate in the transfer window?

How can she be his fake wife? They were never married, he went to get documentation that he needed to marry her when he was killed. Will there be a letter from her? Possibly if Qatar still want to block the takeover. Let’s not start name calling and abusing her. Ok then ffs, fake girlfriend. Didn't Khashoggi's own family say they had never heard of her or seen her before. Ever. Like I said, fake! She was actually filmed waiting outside the the embassy for him, for hours, while Saudi agents killed him and chopped him up. Stop embarrassing yourself and the rest of us with this shite.

I don't think any of us actually know what happened at all. I think we do know what happened, both sides have said that it was down to the PL deciding that the Saudi state should be included as a director (represented by a natural person, e.g. MbS). PIF refused to do that but the PL then refused to actually make that decision official by disqualifying the other proposed directors on that basis. PIF provided additional information demonstrating that they are legally separate from the state, the PL wouldn't budge and suggested arbitration. PIF requested that a formal decision be made, the PL refused and then PIF publicly withdrew. Link? All set out in Staveley's interview following the withdrawal announcement, the PL's letter to MPs and the PL's responce to the Club's statement that they had refused the takeover. Ahh, I thought you meant it had been stated specifically that it was MBS who they wished to test. I guess it's obvious enough though. Yeah, that has not been explicitly stated. The PL referred to an 'entity' and Staveley said they required the Saudi state to be disclosed as director, but I'm assuming that the state would need to be represented by a natural person, as would be the case with a company directorship.

I don't think any of us actually know what happened at all. I think we do know what happened, both sides have said that it was down to the PL deciding that the Saudi state should be included as a director (represented by a natural person, e.g. MbS). PIF refused to do that but the PL then refused to actually make that decision official by disqualifying the other proposed directors on that basis. PIF provided additional information demonstrating that they are legally separate from the state, the PL wouldn't budge and suggested arbitration. PIF requested that a formal decision be made, the PL refused and then PIF publicly withdrew. Link? All set out in Staveley's interview following the withdrawal announcement, the PL's letter to MPs and the PL's responce to the Club's statement that they had refused the takeover.

I don't think any of us actually know what happened at all. I think we do know what happened, both sides have said that it was down to the PL deciding that the Saudi state should be included as a director (represented by a natural person, e.g. MbS). PIF refused to do that but the PL then refused to actually make that decision official by disqualifying the other proposed directors on that basis. PIF provided additional information demonstrating that they are legally separate from the state, the PL wouldn't budge and suggested arbitration. PIF requested that a formal decision be made, the PL refused and then PIF publicly withdrew.

Not necessarily. I'm only speculating here but the reportings of PIF leaving the table were only ever reportings. The conversations have clearly still be ongoing related to this deal rather than another one in the offing. If the PL were to introduce changes to the test, they could not be enforced within the deal from last year, they could (surely) only be for any future dealings. It was a formal statement of withdrawal. Perhaps if they hadn’t withdrew they couldn’t change the test. Also though if they did meet the terms of the original test and the PL stalled. It would suggest the club is in a decent position to undertake legal proceedings for whatever reason. It was not a formal withdrawal, it was a public statement, there is nothing formal about that. They can say whatever they want in a public statement, it doesn't have to be true and it doesn't formally change anything. The process of formally withdrawing their offer would have been done behind closed doors, if it was. The only elements of withdrawing from the deal that would be public would be discharging charges and dissolving the holding companies on Companies House, and none of that has been done. Also, the O&D test is set out in the PL Handbook, which is published before the start of each season. I doubt they would / could change the test without publishing the changes.

The deposit is within the £150m loan agreement between PCP and Ashley that was part of the structure of the deal. The charge has not been registered as discharged on Companies House so it all still seems to be in place.

I’m back in, Ando says it’s all good, that will do for me . Howay I have tried, I have tried hard, but I cannot even come close to understanding how anyone - faced with the facts - could have been anything but confident that this Takeover would succeed. Based purely on the calibre of the people buying us, it was never going to be in doubt. All we have to do (during the current quiet period) as I have said time-after-time on here, is WAIT !!! The PIF have officially withdrawn their bid to buy NUFC. They have publicly stated that they have withdrawn their bid, that does not necessarily mean that the bid has been officially withdrawn, that information is not in the public domain. The 'official' elements of the deal that were in the public domain (the charges on Companies House, including a £150m loan agreement between PCP and Ashley) all appear to still be in place.