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wank VP scored but she ruled it out for offside. spot on decision it was too.

Stone wall penalty should have been given tbh. Scandalous refereeing of late. This handball in the box gig needs looking at big style by FIFA.

Another own goal

f***ing get in you lush bunch of c***s! :indi:

 

Seems like it was deserved to from the match reports I've read which makes it all the better. Hope our fans were royally taking the p*ss, it's been a long time coming!

 

Down with the mackems, you're going down with the mackems

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Post of the year :thup:

MOTM today for me. World class performance. The outstanding player on the park IMO.

Surreal stuff today. To win, and convincingly, at OTT after having just been turned over by a mediocre Swansea side in midweek seemed a pipe dream. Credit to the manager for overseeing this historic day tbh. Got everything from team selection to tactics to the players' energy and mentality, to in-game management and subs down to a perfect tee.

Our first 90-minute performance of the season. We were sensational. More of the same please.

Take a bow Alan Pardew.

"gramatically challenged cockney"

Probably his biggest failing tbh.

It would be crazy though if smashing the ball against an opponent's arm was as good as winning a penalty. You would have players aiming for their opponents instead of the goal.

 

Defenders tucking their arms in and moving unnaturally is a stupid aspect of modern football IMO. Just leave it to the ref to judge whether it was deliberate or not. Obviously judgement is involved, but judgement is involved in almost every decision in football.

 

No you wouldn't, half the f***ers can't accurately pass a ball to a 6ft+ striker let alone hit an arm on purpose. Even if they did try, the defenders would sharp be whipping/keeping their arms out of the way which would make anyone trying it look bloody stupid.

 

As much judgement (i.e. guessing) that can be taken out of the game the better IMO.

Absolutely right. In the heat of the game, I doubt many would have the skill and presence of mind to try it often enough. The crux of the matter for me though, is whether or not the handball changed the intended direction of the ball. If the hand is outstretched in front of the body for example, it shouldn't be considered handball. If you're blocking your face, bollocks, abdomen from a shot, that's not handball obviously. The presence of the hand hasn't changed the outcome of the ball getting blocked.

It would be crazy though if smashing the ball against an opponent's arm was as good as winning a penalty. You would have players aiming for their opponents instead of the goal.

 

Defenders tucking their arms in and moving unnaturally is a stupid aspect of modern football IMO. Just leave it to the ref to judge whether it was deliberate or not. Obviously judgement is involved, but judgement is involved in almost every decision in football.

Not when the judgement is poor more often than not, because the guidelines are fucking sketchy. "Deliberate"? What the fuck is that? So the ref is meant to analyze the offending player's psyche and be inside his mind to know if it was deliberate or not? And yes, it should be ok if a player is accurate enough and can think fast enough to aim the ball at an opponent's outstretched hand or arm, that they are awarded a penalty.

At the end of the day, this is what football is. Playing a ball with your feet. Not your hands. It's a pretty simplistic view, but this is how you are taught what football is when you are a bairn, and the first thing you are told is that you can't handle the ball unless you're a keeper.

Remy's shot last night was goal bound, almost certainly. An outstretched arm blocked it, and prevented it from hitting the target. 100% penalty, without the ref needing to judge anything if he's seen it. Simple as that.

Both were penalties for me. 'Ball to hand' or not.

 

We've conceded plenty of them.

For me this should be a non issue in football. It should have nothing to do with the handball being deliberate or not. Hardly any handball is deliberate in the way that Suarez blocked the ball on the line in the world cup.

It's very simple. A hand or arm that isn't in-line with the body, and is stretched out, blocking the path of the ball, hence changing it's intended trajectory or direction is handball. Penalty, or foul if outside the box. Simple. The distance of the shot away from the hand is irrelevant. If it happens, then tough. Part of football. I'd accept conceding such penalties if it meant that this becomes a consistent way to judge them.

86 points. Could've easily been 100 had I played Shelvey ahead of Lallana.

How many times have we scored 3 goals or more under Pardew?

 

15 times in 112 league matches.

 

How many times have we won by two goals or more. ?

 

Howay, I'm not that bored.

Watch the match again mate, you'll be begging bimpy for more stats to look up.

Our last winning running finished with a bumming off a mediocre team in Wigan.

This is what I'm afraid of. That this result will terrify the poor little beacon of eloquence and we'll go back to playing panic football for 90 minutes. I hope the players can pick themselves up for Saturday.

He reminds me of the time I smashed the bolt ring off my car's gearbox. Essentially couldn't go above third gear without being kicked back out into neutral.

 

He's going to limit what we are capable of. I know Ashley is too but Pardew is far easier to remove.

Manager of the month marra

Pards got the tactics spot on today IMO - the same tactics that saw us beat Swansea last year and win 4 on the bounce just this season.

 

The players let him down today, and the luck went against us and a bad referee too. FWIW on another day we'd have nicked this 1-0. Krul let us down.

 

Let's just get behind Pards and hope for a reaction to the end of this glorious run and a wave too.

 

 

 

 

 

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins...

I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns.

 

Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead.

i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did.

Yes but how DARE Swansea hit us on the break knowing we'd come at them? Should have sat back and defended. It's the ONLY tactic in football. Ever!!

He's a shitcunt, nowt changed during the little run of wins.

Don't use your own eyes to judge things man. Just look at the league table and gan to bed.

Wish I'd have kept Shelvey on for Lallana. ffs

Otherwise it's minimum 82 pts when Giroud is subbed off for Coleman.

Sick of this "it was too close to his hand" rubbish. If the handball changes the ball's direction, and the hand is away from the body, it's a fucking pen, no matter how far out the shot comes in from, and no matter how little time the defender had to react.

Can we start using our eyes now to judge the rancid non-football on show please? How about the glaring monumental tactical cockups? Or are we just happy with pot-luck results?

My two cents: Fuck off you lying charlatan. Fuck off back to division 2 where you came from.

chelsea score?

Whats it like?

Full squads now in the match thread.

 

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