themanupstairs
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Would be a good appointment and possibly even a step up from Keagan but sadly some (majority) of our fans would prefer Curbishley or Gid forbid O'Leeaary purely on the basis that they've never heard of Terim before
Name me one, just one Newcastle fan who would take either Curbishley or O'Leary over Terim.
I have no particular reason to want Terim myself, but at least he is not on my 'not in a million years' list.
NE5
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Haven't seen this posted yet?
Press Release From true faith and the The Mag
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ACTION!
The Mag – true faith Newcastle United Fanzines joint statement
Like many Newcastle United supporters we have been sickened by the events of the last week and the departure of Kevin Keegan from his position as manager of our club. We believe Kevin had little alternative but to resign given the gross incompetence and mismanagement of Dennis Wise, Executive Director of Football and Derek Llambias, Managing Director who like Kevin were appointed by Mike Ashley. While Kevin Keegan remained at Newcastle United the fans trusted that the club was moving forward at last, with Keegan’s departure all trust has gone.
Both The Mag and true faith believe there has been a fundamental break in trust between board and the support.
Both true faith and The Mag have been inundated by requests from supporters keen to take action against those within the boardroom of Newcastle United.
Having read many hundreds if not thousands of e-mails sent into both fanzines we are recommending the following action in protest at its appalling treatment of Kevin Keegan and the entirely unworkable structure it has established at the club, namely around the club’s transfer policy.
That initial action includes;
An immediate and indefinite boycott of all Newcastle United merchandise to include replica shirts, other club clothing and any items sold at official NUFC outlets. It will also include the non-purchase of all Newcastle United programmes and magazines as well as food, drinks and beverages of any description. This boycott will include raffle tickets, lotteries and any other products associated with Newcastle United Football Club. This to include also a boycott of all club bars including Shearer’s Bar as well as club cafes, official club tours, visits to the NUFC museum and any other activity which generates an income for Newcastle United.
This boycott to be extended to any retail outlet or product owned either in full or in part by Mike Ashley e.g. Sports Soccer, Lillywhites etc.
We do not advocate a boycott (this is backed up overwhelmingly in the emails we have received) of the game against Hull City at SJP on Saturday 13/Sep/08. Newcastle United’s players have done nothing wrong and certain individuals have behaved impeccably given the manner in which their manager and team-mates have been treated this last week. They remain deserving of our support.
We advocate supporters vocally expressing their disgust against the current regime whether they are at the match or not, which will act as a clear demonstration of the antipathy of supporters towards Ashley, Llambias and Wise. There should be no abuse directed at any Newcastle United player.
We insist that Mike Ashley does not attend away games amongst the travelling support. He is not a Newcastle United supporter and as far as true faith and The Mag are concerned he is not welcome amongst our ranks. If any effort is made by Ashley to attend future away games we would recommend the away support to vocally remind him he is not wanted amongst us. We do not advocate violent disorder of any description.
Michael Martin,
Editor, true faith
Mark Jensen,
Editor, The Mag
http://www.true-faith.co.uk/tf/features.nsf/0/5A3BBE2459C4D961802574BE003BFB38?OpenDocument
Admirable intentions, but if you ask me they are a bunch of soft shite prima donnas seeking attention
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When the backroom team clears out, it usually means a new one is coming in to replace them. Hopefully we've sorted out a new manager so we can get back to the f***ing football
Unless they've walked.
even so. they are the closest people to the players. i doubt they would walk and leave them hanging, unless they knew others are coming in. my opinion of course. also, i am sure with their contracts they would have to give some sort of notice before quitting.
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When the backroom team clears out, it usually means a new one is coming in to replace them. Hopefully we've sorted out a new manager so we can get back to the fucking football
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I find it odd how during a time when our club is being brought to its knees, some people are rubbing their hands in glee just because they were against Keegan from the start.
Well done, you got what you wanted. At what cost though?
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now that the dust has settled, i want to do nothing more than to go to the game on Saturday and sing my heart out! Whatever happens with everything else before and after the game can happen, dont buy drinks, pies etc but the lads need 50k people singing for them on Saturday and we need to make SJP formidable and get the 3 points - This is what is most important.
absolutely right
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confidence in ashley to do what, exactly?
carry on as he has since taking the club over, i.e. do what he considers the right thing? then i have a lot of confidence in him to do that yeah
to do what we want as fans? not a lot
time will tell who is right - remember this is the person who brought KK back from out of nowhere in the first place, why do people now think he couldn't make an equally good appointment again?
absolutely spot on word for word
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f*** me! the propaganda
is Dennis wise themanupstairs?
oi just because it happens that im a cockney chancer, don't mean i'm a 5 foot midget as well. bee-aive son
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If there's a drop in revenue from the club then he'll look to either make it up in other areas which would either be ticket prices or having less money in the transfer pot.
It just seems so petty all because keegan walked out.
I have every right to make a choice where and when I spend my money and I've made that choice, if it's petty then I can live with that. Keegan walking out isn't really the thing that's pushed me, it's the petty statement that our club have made which I know is as least partially lies so I have no reason to believe that more of it isn't just the same bullshit dressed up as fact.
holy crap!!! Mick!!! have you been seduced by the dark side? seems like you're agreeing with NE5 these days
I want the good old days back!!
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Okay, so here's a follow on from the other thread. Let's see what comes out on top....
First we have the idea of a boycott, which I doubt many of us will fully back. This boycott could just be for the first/second half or even just a smaller amount of time...i.e. arrive in the ground 15mins late. It could also be for the full game.....
Second is the idea of a march. For a march to take place it would take a hell of a lot of organising and the Police would HAVE to be informed. Is it really worth the hassle? I think a protest would be just as effective at the ground...but each to their own...there's that idea too.
Third idea. There is a universal thing called Eurostand...which the Toon Ultras were kind of hoping to show some backing for at the Hull game. However, with all this nonsense with Keegan vs Ashley, obviously we have our minds on more important matters. I thought this would be a good idea for us all to show we will stand up and be counted. By standing up, we would give them a bit of a nightmare about health and safety and it would look quite good and show we are all united. By doing this we can be in the ground, back the lads, and sing pretty much anything we choose. I reckon this would be a good idea an could work extremely well with enough publicity.
Idea #4...Just go to the game as normal, and support the lads.
Idea #5..please state your alternative option....
I for one would vote for option 3. Vote away, and discuss...cheers.
no other option for me. we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't go.
the damage the previous regime heaped on us in its last few years was significantly more damaging than what's just happened, when you consider we went from a club in the CL with SBR at the helm, to a poxy mickey mouse club which we;ve been in the past few years. I don't recall any serious mass boycotts or protests.
the best way to get your point across if you're wanting the board and ashley out would be to go to the match and protest there before and after the game. during the game we must be big enough to support our players and help them get the 3 points.
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fuck me! the propaganda
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You do seem to be putting Keegan on a pedastal here, Chris, but just look at his record. He's never won a major trophy. He's had a history of walking out of jobs. What success he's had has been when he's been able to outspend the opposition. His record in this second spell here hasn't been anything fantastic.
I think his confidence and enthusiasm for the game are quite brittle. You don't exile yourself and avoid watching a single game for three years if your motivation is as steady as it should be.
Of course I am, our club has been littered with more Souness' than Keegans, he was our Fergie. Looking back, what he achieved was phenomenal Bob. I don't think any one else could have done what he did for us at the time and it is no coincidence that after he left, we struggled for years to move on and I fear history will repeat itself once more.
Am I reading this right? Keegan was our Fergie? I know you're not comparing them as managers, because we all know Keegan can't touch Fergie in terms of quality. I understand you're comparing their respective impact on the 2 clubs. I've still got a problem with that. Fergie actually brought success and trophies to his club. In my eyes, as long as we cling on to Keegan and the memories, we won't be able to look further than 2nd place (15 pt lead blown no less).
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it's quite worrying the number of drama queens on this board. this mentality that they simply cannot move the f*** on and support the club regardless is probably one of the main elements holding us back as a club. there is no doubting how much we all love it. but for f***'s sake, get a grip and stop fixating on individuals.
in supporting NUFC at least you all know we're always in for a roller coaster ride. get on board and enjoy it. and one day......one day....it'll be our turn and the world will be ours
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This week has been a farce, there's no two ways about it. I have been a massive defender of the Ashley regime but even i can't defend this one.
This kind of thing should not happen at football clubs but when it does happen then someone has to take the blame and that for me is the man at the top of the hierarchy. Ashley should have his house in order.
However, there were alot of "farces" (as well as success) under the last regime, lets not forget that.
Ahhhh yes. But according to some, Shepherd shouldn't be blamed for his mistakes (e.g. the disastrous appointments of Souness, and Roeder, or the purchases of Kluivert and Luque).
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Regardless of the details the bottomline is that whatever CHANGES Ashley has initiated they haven't brought stability and footballing results.
He has PAID off the club's debt - that's a massive action no doubt but he simply used his financial assets to pay.
Leadership wise he has definetely FAILED. In long-term he hasn't been able to inject any inspiration and motivation to his managers, players, club followers and media. Whatever insipiration he was able to inject in hiring KK was already slowly vanishing over the summer for the negative signs coming from the club. The rift between KK and executives is sign of poor management and organization - power games and politics played within the organization. Somewhere along the line Ashley has failed to recruit right personnel and cultivate organization where things that like won't happen or if they do at least they will be eradicated effectively.
Stepping in and making sure that Taylor's contract got sorted out quickly was type of leadership that he needs display more. Do the same with Owen and make sure that all the obstacles will be removed out of KK's way so that he can go on and produce maximum results. The strange behaviour with rumored wage cuts, player sales, recruiting old boys for the backroom jobs, lacklustre performance in the transfer market, etc. etc. does give a image of negative leadership.
In fact I've been really disappointed with Ashley's performance. I thought man with a massive business organization like his would be more talented and competent.
Fair post.
Nobody minds a stronger structure if the right people are in positions of responsibility and there are open lines of communication.
Ashley has filled his shops with cheap crap and built it up. Maybe this is what he's good at. Should have stuck to the formula and bought a shitty little club in the championship that you don't need to spend money on.
I just hope he sells asap to someone who actually wants to succeed at the top level of the game and understands that its only done by buying top footballers that the other top clubs want.
Notably, that having bumped this post, it is seen that the usual culprit has opted out of replying to me when he was found lacking ............
Ok, thats a fair post. So just to make sure I'm getting this right, you don't consider Woodgate and Modric top footballers that other top clubs want? Also, did Chelsea show a lack of ambition in failing to land Robinho ahead of Man City?
edit: i think it's laughable that you have a dig at Ashley for his private business strategy which has made him a billionaire from nothing.
Enlighten me, I didn't realise Woodgate and Modric had signed for Newcastle ?
Or even a top 4 club ?
I don't give a toss how Ashley made his money, he came into this club, knew nothing about football, and proceeded to prove it. Quite amazing that anybody can still not see this after recent events.
This has been coming for months, as obvious as the nose on your face.
Woodgate and Modric didn't sign for Newcastle, that's as obvious to me as the nose on my face, aye, i agree. not so obvious the rest of it. Fact is, Keegan mentioned Woodgate, Modric and even Nasri as players we have either bid for, or were looking at. Woodgate and Modric joined the Spurs "revolution", a London club playing in Europe, who's manager had just won 2 european trophies on the bounce. Nasri joined Arsenal. We tried to get them, but they chose not to come. How the fuck that is Ashley's fault I'll never know.
What's as obvious as the nose on your face is that the club is still recovering from the bullshit it had endured in the last few years of Shepherd's reign. We were in so much "trouble" that most fans were delighted with the Messiah coming back, because we could all feel that the club needed "saving".
Now let's give this lot a bit of time to signal their intentions and proceed with their plan. Fact is, whether you like it or not, Ashley owns the club, and will run it the way he wants to. In principle, he's already made a few positive changes which cannot be ignored. Yes he's also made a few mistakes, but who doesn't. How he recovers from these mistakes and builds on the positives, will determine whether or not he has failed us.
As has been said, to suggest that a man who bought the club a year ago has "failed" us, or even ask it, is as deluded and pathetic an idea as they come.
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The fact anyone is seriously considering that Ashley has 'failed Newcastle' is a sad reflection on the jerky knees of some of our fans.
I can think of some other verbs for what he's done for Newcastle, 'saved' being the one I would go for.
As deluded as it gets.
this a sequel? is simon the fag in it?
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Just one question (which I've asked before):
How do you compete for "top players" against Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and now City without their revenue stream?
easy! by going into massive debts, punching way above your weight, in it up to your neck until your feet no longer touch the bottom. then you drown and fold.
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Regardless of the details the bottomline is that whatever CHANGES Ashley has initiated they haven't brought stability and footballing results.
He has PAID off the club's debt - that's a massive action no doubt but he simply used his financial assets to pay.
Leadership wise he has definetely FAILED. In long-term he hasn't been able to inject any inspiration and motivation to his managers, players, club followers and media. Whatever insipiration he was able to inject in hiring KK was already slowly vanishing over the summer for the negative signs coming from the club. The rift between KK and executives is sign of poor management and organization - power games and politics played within the organization. Somewhere along the line Ashley has failed to recruit right personnel and cultivate organization where things that like won't happen or if they do at least they will be eradicated effectively.
Stepping in and making sure that Taylor's contract got sorted out quickly was type of leadership that he needs display more. Do the same with Owen and make sure that all the obstacles will be removed out of KK's way so that he can go on and produce maximum results. The strange behaviour with rumored wage cuts, player sales, recruiting old boys for the backroom jobs, lacklustre performance in the transfer market, etc. etc. does give a image of negative leadership.
In fact I've been really disappointed with Ashley's performance. I thought man with a massive business organization like his would be more talented and competent.
Fair post.
Nobody minds a stronger structure if the right people are in positions of responsibility and there are open lines of communication.
Ashley has filled his shops with cheap crap and built it up. Maybe this is what he's good at. Should have stuck to the formula and bought a shitty little club in the championship that you don't need to spend money on.
I just hope he sells asap to someone who actually wants to succeed at the top level of the game and understands that its only done by buying top footballers that the other top clubs want.
Notably, that having bumped this post, it is seen that the usual culprit has opted out of replying to me when he was found lacking ............
Ok, thats a fair post. So just to make sure I'm getting this right, you don't consider Woodgate and Modric top footballers that other top clubs want? Also, did Chelsea show a lack of ambition in failing to land Robinho ahead of Man City?
edit: i think it's laughable that you have a dig at Ashley for his private business strategy which has made him a billionaire from nothing.
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I keep hearing on the radio/tv that a director of football can work on the continent, but never in England. No one seems to mention the reasoning behind that, but rather spew that phrase out like a stale and rotting cliche.
Im not saying it can or cannot work. But anyone care to explain the reasoning behind it working on the continent but not in the premier league?
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I think i have the original cutting from the paper, but at my mams ill have a look.
Tell her I said Hi
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So, here we are.
IMO in many ways Ashley is an unfit owner and it's not a debate about whether his heart is in the right place or money. IMO he's hired a bunch of cronies while neglecting his key asset Kevin Keegan.
This is the bunch of cronies who negotiatied the £12m fee for Milner yes? What a bunch of wasters...
Yes but these wasters replaced Milner (one of our hardest-working players) with what? Our club might be 12m richer but our squad is seriously depleted.
BTW I would have taken 10m for Milner IF we had a decent replacement lined up.
We did bring in 6 players this summer as well as selling, including IMO the most important, a striker who can play when Viduka has his feet up. I would agree though, that the squad is still not strong enough - even if it might turn out to be better than some are giving it credit for.
That's correct. It's easy to forget that we've managed to get rid of some serious dross with our outgoing transfers (Ramage, Baba, Carr, Emre, Roz), who have been replaced with players who - so far- look like actual footballers.
Jonas
Guthrie
Coloccini
Bassong
Xisco
Nacho
IYAM the outlay has been reasonable, and the fee we got for Milner was way too good to turn down. Our summer business could have been better, but was not all that bad by any stretch. What we need now is for the entire squad of players to pull together, rally around Keegan, the fans and the club, and play for the shirt. Any shortage in playing staff at any point or another can be covered by the one or two youngsters who are closest to being ready for the first team. This IMO is also a good thing, as its pointless to have these young players around the place, without having the opportunity to test them in the big time once in a while. Do people forget who Man U had to rely on in our opening game to cover for their injuries? Campbell, Possebon, Rafael?
We're not in as bad a position as some will have you believe.
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hmmmm....i don't see it that way
i think how this Keegan situation is resolved will tell us a lot about Mike Ashley. If he shows that he is learning from his mistakes, and willing to rectify them - and let's face it, we all knew he was never a football man - then it's a great sign, and it counts as a positive thing. If however he does not learn from mistakes, and does not take steps to correct his position (as one Freddy Shepherd miserably failed to do), then he will also be deemed unfit to run this club.
the events of the next few days will tell us a lot about Mike Ashley. A lot more than this entire past year has told us.
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I can't believe what a circus we are and how we fans have been lied too.
Wasn't Owen offered a new contract? Now they're saying they tried to sell him?
Didn't Keegan say selling Milner was his decision? Now they're saying he wasn't happy?
And which credible team with ambitions will put their entire team up on the market?
What a joke we are.
the bigger joke? fans actually believing this drivel
lol
Hull...Protest?
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now that makes a lot more sense than the tripe coming out of TF and the mag