themanupstairs
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Liverpool fans get on my tits.
Many are knowledgeable real-football people, but the vast majority are as fickle as they come.
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I am actually really worried now that this will drag out for a very long time. I know they have given a deadline but after reading Keith Harris doesnt know how long it will take doesnt inspire confidence of a quick sell.
I share the concern but hope it may force him to lower the price - especially if other areas of his business are short of cash.
The minimum he will go is what he bought it for + what he paid out to cover the debts. He would be foolish to accept anything lower, even if he's in a "cut my losses" mind-set.
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Always said that this crisis would affect the Prem - BIG changes on the way, wouldn't be surprised to see some clubs in receivership, which means relegation...
Whatever Ashley's faults, at least he has put NUFC in a relatively solid financial position and it WILL be an attractive sale once the crisis starts to ease...but this may take a year or so, maybe more.
Unchartered waters lie ahead for English football as we knew it....
I don't know whether to be afraid for the club or happy for the club, but yes, you're quite spot on. I hope we're one of the ones left standing when the dust has settled.
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Why don't you stand up, turn your back to the computer, drop your trousers, and bend over?
That way we'd be able to hear what you're saying more clearly.
no response again then mackems.gif
no disrespect mate, but you got to admit it was funny -
an indication that the sale is imminent if Ashley is letting his precious team break up?
My thoughts precisely.
Yup. It's probably the most significant bit of news since Ashley's statement announcing that he'd be selling the club.
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These have now been sent to The Mag. Cheers for checking through those that did...
would have said "the newly introduced singing section" rather than "the newly produced singing section"
edit: sorry. saw it too late
Cheers anyways mate. That would have sounded better you're right. My vocabulary isn't the greatest so I never even thought of using that...besides I was quite rushed because the people who said they would write the articles never bothered.
Cheers for your help.
nee worries mate. you lot keep backing the lads on the pitch and stay out of the s***-pot that is NUSC. That sorry excuse of a supporters club would do well to learn a thing or two from your lot
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This has been posted on toontastic by someone who's apparently on the committee.
having read the comments made regarding the recent press statement i wonder exactly what people actually want to happen with regard to Mike Ashley, llambias and wise and their continued mis management of the club.
NUSC was set up because fans were clamouring for a single point of contact; a voice that would be heard and would eliminate the need for bedsheet protests and the so called rent a mob that embarresses some of you.
out of 52,000 supporters, 250 turned up and 25 to 30 offered their services for free to get a genuine supporters club up and running. anyone with any sense would see that a supporters club would need to be financed yet within days people are posting complaints about a £10 membership fee. next theyre criticising the representatives for putting out press statements they dont agree with.
guys; your missing the point. while the mechanisms of a supporters club are being set up - something that will take time - it is vital that we continue to keep the pressure on Ashley.
if NUSC put pressure on sponsors, they in turn will put pressure on Ashley. if he wont listen to the supporters he will almost certainly listen to the sponsors who wont want to see their own companies being dragged into a campaign that is none of their making. These are the people with the real power behind the throne. money talks, but lack of money talks more. Ashley is in a financial pickle at present and wants to use NUFC as the jewel that refills his even dwindling bank account. he wants to rip the club off for millions and is holding out for his best price.
Ashley and his mob will be laughing into their cristel this morning seeing the fans arguing amongst themselves; the so called best fans in the world getting hung up about scaring off sponsors, upsetting people and clubbing together with £10 each to form and orderly queue to beat them with feathers.
show your mettle guys; come up with suggestions on how we deal with Ashley. do we sit back and wait; if so for how long. do we take him at his word or do we fight back; embarress him, humiliate him; show him and his mob up for what they are - a group of individuals who in 3 months have done more damage to NUFC than any rent a mob .
do we picket his stores; organise sit ins; mass protest or do we wave the white hankie; winge on about the nasty rich man and his mates and go back to our keyboards and type bleating messages about fans who want to make a difference; how it might upset sponsors and damage the club. Remember, its Ashleys club for gods sake; he holds the keys.
scared off sponsors will come back; new sponsors will climb on board and sensible sponsors will join the chorus putting pressure on him.
at least the so called bed sheet protestors had the guts to get out there. similarly those who put their stake in the ground in trying to create a supporters club and put more sanctioned pressure on the owner and his mates.
If we hadnt protested before and after the Hull game he wouldnt have even contemplated selling up because he thought - and probably still does think - that he was in the right to sanction his executives to buy players and hand them to the manager. do you think Xisco is the finished article; worth £5 million;
come on guys. wake up and smell the coffee !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just plain embarrassing that these people are fruadulently claiming to represent us.
They have one agenda - an obvious hatred of Mike Ashley and anything he has anything to do with - and and an insulting and patronising tone to anyone who disagrees with their petty sentiments.
As always with tin pot organisations they shout loud about what is wrong but do any of them have any idea of what will follow Ashley now they have succeeeded in their objective of forcing him to sell.
I very much doubt that Ashley nor his mob will be laughing into Kristel, Highbury beer, cup of Rosy Lea or anything else right now.
Their personal attack on a Newcastle player is absolutely disgraceful - in fact these are just the type of fans we could do without at SJP.
The player they criticise came here from La Liga with a decent reputation but frankly should have been nowhere near the first team for at least 3 months. Due to a managerial walkout and a bunch of other circumstances he was thrown in at the deep end and despite being out of his depth absolutey ran his pods off for the team. Credit to him for that.
A disgraceful personal and politically motivated attack lads, but that seems to be your way of bringing attention to your cause.
The sooner this scam organisation is wound up before it causes more damage and embarrassment to NUFC and it's supporters the better.
I know i've been going on about this over and over, but I still can't for the life of me believe they have actually named Xisco in that rant!!! Who the f*** is the writer to question whether or not he's worth 5m?
? James Milner is nowhere near the finished article, and we sold him for 7m more than we bought Xisco!!! Both U-21 internationals for their respective countries!! I'm not debating and don't want to debate the pro's and cons of the purchase of Xisco or sale of Milner. What i'm saying is that from that last statement in above rant, you can see clearly that a) the NUSC agenda is a personal one and is blind to what could be good for the club, and b) whoever speaks for them hasn't got a f***ing clue
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These have now been sent to The Mag. Cheers for checking through those that did...
would have said "the newly introduced singing section" rather than "the newly produced singing section"
edit: sorry. saw it too late
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"For general queries please use
There you go. Anyone with queries contact them there.
It would be nice to let us know when you have, so we can see how many people can be bothered to get off their arses like the people who formed NUSC did.
Will also be interesting to see how many actually get replies.
You're right, it will
It will also be interesting to see how many people contact them in the first place.
Right, just e mailed them. I'll let you know.
If you don't mind asking - what was your query about?
If you do, that's fine.
I'll post my query & their reply on here when I get it, no bother at all.
I wouldn't want my e mail being answered just because it had appeared on here, if you know what I mean? I'm not saying at all that that would be the case, but I'd rather wait and see.
FWIW I do think I'll get one.
tbh I hope you don't get a reply so we can use it as an irrational stick to beat them with some more - us irrational mud-slinging cockney-loving folk
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Keith Harris, of Seymour Pierce, just been on Talksport talking about football in general. Says he is good friends with Ashley and said how he had cleared the debt at Newcastle. He then went on to say "Newcastle still have debt, but now they owe it to Ashley". He went on to talk about the same situation with Abramovich at Chelsea and didn't go into details. But to me it sounded like all this talk of clearing £100m debt would appear to be nonsense as once (if?) the club is taken over he gets every penny back. The question is, does this money come out of the asking price bandied around or is he looking to make even bigger profits?
Hardly breaking news is it? Just about everyone has already factored the £100m into the price anyway. Did anyone seriously think he was going to be hounded out of Newcastle but leave behind a £100m present to the new owner as a token of his thanks?
Exactly!! It's not a fucking charity!! but then I think that even Shepherd's staunchest supporters will admit that no chairman would plough money into the club expecting nothing in return
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Ashley's 'structured' plan as you put it was designed to raise the sell-on value of the club, nothing more.
Did he tell you that?
He doesn't need to, it is so obvious now. For clarity I am not saying his intention was to sell the club on for a profit a year or so later, the timing has obviously been forced on him or rather the situation has dictated the exit earlier than probably intended. But in general the aim was always to sell the club on for a profit.
and that makes him evil because?
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It's not so much that people have a problem with the idea of the NUSC, nor do they not want to see positive changes, they (and I) just don't think they're going about it very well. At all.
that's exactly what i'm trying to say! clear as day imo, and i dont see why you can't understand that Big Geordie
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Can't believe the amount of grief that NUSC are getting? At no time (AFAIK) they have never said they are representative of the entire fan base. What they are doing is providing 'a voice', something which has been lacking for years. If folk are so against them - why not get off your arses and set up an alternative group? or would that be too much effort?
The problem is with NUFC, is that it's taken the loyalty of it's fan base for granted, for generations - all the way back to the Seymours, Westwoods, McKeags, etc. That has to stop and if NUSC (or a likeminded group) can help bring about this, then they have my support.
To the doubting Thomas' - either put up or shut up. Simple as.
Not only do I oppose their statements and their stance, but the statements themselves are ridiculous and amateurish in content and smack of self-importance. To me personally the NUSC is more interested in ousting Ashley for getting rid of KK than in providing a voice and movement for the fans of the club. There is a massive difference between the two.
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This has been posted on toontastic by someone who's apparently on the committee.
having read the comments made regarding the recent press statement i wonder exactly what people actually want to happen with regard to Mike Ashley, llambias and wise and their continued mis management of the club.
NUSC was set up because fans were clamouring for a single point of contact; a voice that would be heard and would eliminate the need for bedsheet protests and the so called rent a mob that embarresses some of you.
out of 52,000 supporters, 250 turned up and 25 to 30 offered their services for free to get a genuine supporters club up and running. anyone with any sense would see that a supporters club would need to be financed yet within days people are posting complaints about a £10 membership fee. next theyre criticising the representatives for putting out press statements they dont agree with.
guys; your missing the point. while the mechanisms of a supporters club are being set up - something that will take time - it is vital that we continue to keep the pressure on Ashley.
if NUSC put pressure on sponsors, they in turn will put pressure on Ashley. if he wont listen to the supporters he will almost certainly listen to the sponsors who wont want to see their own companies being dragged into a campaign that is none of their making. These are the people with the real power behind the throne. money talks, but lack of money talks more. Ashley is in a financial pickle at present and wants to use NUFC as the jewel that refills his even dwindling bank account. he wants to rip the club off for millions and is holding out for his best price.
Ashley and his mob will be laughing into their cristel this morning seeing the fans arguing amongst themselves; the so called best fans in the world getting hung up about scaring off sponsors, upsetting people and clubbing together with £10 each to form and orderly queue to beat them with feathers.
show your mettle guys; come up with suggestions on how we deal with Ashley. do we sit back and wait; if so for how long. do we take him at his word or do we fight back; embarress him, humiliate him; show him and his mob up for what they are - a group of individuals who in 3 months have done more damage to NUFC than any rent a mob .
do we picket his stores; organise sit ins; mass protest or do we wave the white hankie; winge on about the nasty rich man and his mates and go back to our keyboards and type bleating messages about fans who want to make a difference; how it might upset sponsors and damage the club. Remember, its Ashleys club for gods sake; he holds the keys.
scared off sponsors will come back; new sponsors will climb on board and sensible sponsors will join the chorus putting pressure on him.
at least the so called bed sheet protestors had the guts to get out there. similarly those who put their stake in the ground in trying to create a supporters club and put more sanctioned pressure on the owner and his mates.
If we hadnt protested before and after the Hull game he wouldnt have even contemplated selling up because he thought - and probably still does think - that he was in the right to sanction his executives to buy players and hand them to the manager. do you think Xisco is the finished article; worth £5 million;
come on guys. wake up and smell the coffee !!!!!!!!!!!!
what a load of tripe!!! the text in its entirety. I especially like the part where the writer points out one player by name, to make sure Xisco gets chucked in the Ashley/LL/Wise column of evil-doers.i sincerely hope NUSC never gets off the ground, and that an alternative proper supporters club is formed when all this has blown over, and at a more peaceful and stable time.
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Does this mean that everyone on the NUSC committee have binned all their Adidas gear, strips included, as they wouldn't want to be giving them any free advertising would they?
With all the pies they're boycotting, they'll be downsizing on the shirt sizes anyway.
Yup. And I guess the NUSC don't give a shit if the local vendors and cashiers and cleaners at the club's outlets and Shearer's Bar were soon out of a job.
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The more I read that statement, the more nauseated I feel. It is an absolutely disgraceful piece of work, and the mongs/cretins who have thought that drivel up should be nowhere near a mouthpiece that fraudulantly claims to speak on behalf of Newcastle fans.
Really is infuriating!!
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I honestly can't believe the latest statement put out by the supporters club. Then again, shouldn't really expect anything different from the self-loving "voice of the people".
NUSC can fuck right off imo
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"They finished 14th under Glenn Roeder the year I took over and when I left they were 11th. There was no danger of relegation – we were 12 or 13 points from the relegation zone.
Hmmmmmm.... not so sure about that myself Mr Allardyce
ffs we weren't gonna go down! how long did it take Keegan to win his first league game? we still survived comfortably. sam would've turned it around eventually
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fuck England, fuck Capello, and fuck the WCQualifiers
Owen is better off being fit and playing week in week out for us
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I think what Ashley did was trying to improve the club as much as he can without making any personal loss
How dare he!!
the selfish greedy fat cockney twat!!!! 
I agree Zero - although some will have you believe Ashley is the boogeyman.
On the topic of Allardyce, if I were Mike Ashley, I would have never sacked him, and would have given him at least 2 full seasons to show the direction he was leading the club toward. I don't believe for one minute that we were going down. The vast majority on here will disagree I'm sure, and will be thinking, good job themanupstairs isn't Ashley
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A lot of the statements on here seem to be based on the premise that because he's the owner, everything that's happened must be his fault.
There was a lot that he got right. But a Chairman once said that all the decisions that he made paled into significance beside the one concerning the choice of manager. And Ashley got that wrong, at least for the plan that he had in mind.
Where he can't be blamed is for the manner and timing of Keegan's departure, which has caused so much damage. Keegan has a lot to answer for there.
what a load of rot.
Ref your first paragraph - plenty of people have said in the past, when it suited them, everything stops with the owner [personally I don't necessarily agree] but why move the goalposts ?
2nd paragraph - I really don't think he did too much right at all
3rd para - of course he's to blame. He even had a chance to reverse the situation but didn't. The manager is his most important employee, so how the hell can you absove him of any blame
< sigh >
please tell us what you disagree with and why
No mate, it's not that I disagree necessarily. I just found it funny that you made sure to cover all your bases from criticism with a good all-round use of the English language. Everything here is Ashley's fault, yet not everything was Shepherd's fault.
edit: I thought bobyule's post was very reasoned, and told it like it is
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A lot of the statements on here seem to be based on the premise that because he's the owner, everything that's happened must be his fault.
There was a lot that he got right. But a Chairman once said that all the decisions that he made paled into significance beside the one concerning the choice of manager. And Ashley got that wrong, at least for the plan that he had in mind.
Where he can't be blamed is for the manner and timing of Keegan's departure, which has caused so much damage. Keegan has a lot to answer for there.
what a load of rot.
Ref your first paragraph - plenty of people have said in the past, when it suited them, everything stops with the owner [personally I don't necessarily agree] but why move the goalposts ?
2nd paragraph - I really don't think he did too much right at all
3rd para - of course he's to blame. He even had a chance to reverse the situation but didn't. The manager is his most important employee, so how the hell can you absove him of any blame
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Cheers for that Tom_NUFC
My thoughts on the NUSC are still pretty much the same - meh -
I also don't like that the FSF have canceled the event at SJP. SJP represents NUFC and not Mike fkn Ashley!! The worst thing about it is that the FSF guys are going about it as if "yeah this is what all newcastle fans want, so we'll boycott too", and i think that's rather stupid.
NUSC still does not represent me and the vast majority of sensible fans imo