Jayson

56% possession apparently

attack attack attack

Ameobi again

Yeah Guthrie missed one didnt he. Last one we scored was Huddersfield in carling cup apparently. Only one we've scored in league was Ameobis hattrick right at the start.

When was our last pen? Cant remember

Jonas has really sorted his crossing recently, compared to before.

Nice Jonas and Loven linking again

Come on Willy sort it out

That Nolan gets everywhere

Early goal would do nicely

Come on lads, win this one :thup: :thup: :clap: :clap:

Guthrie being given another chance in central midfield, good stuff. Would like to see him next to Smith at some point though also. Carroll and Loven upfront was the only pairing that made sense. Our most inform strikers, just have to feed them. None of this long ball crap to Carroll PLEASE.

He hasnt had a good game for the last 9 matches, the guys form is clearly disasterous. He hadnt gone more than 3 games without a goal before at any point, hes now tripled that. What more is needed, its a simple decision.

Just seen its Cardiff V Westbrom tonight. Chance of Brom dropping some points with them not looking to smart away from home recently. Need Chopra & Whittingham to do us a favor

Hall shouldnt be holding down a place over Colo or Williamson. Colo was about 10x better at closing down on sat for once, made Hall look unimpressive in comparison.

Just seen that our form over the last 8 games puts us at 13th in the league. Our away form puts us at 16th. With 4 draws and a loss out of the last 5. All these consistant draws arent doing us to well. We'd have done better to have lost most of them and won a couple.

Is the team id want to see. I wont make predictions as theyve been going tits up.

He should be playing in Nolans position every week. Neither of them are very good at moving off the ball, but i imagine Guthrie would get better at it playing next to someone who bothered to move themselves.

What pressing of the ball? I never saw any! I saw us standing off, defending deep and letting them have the ball. Probably down to the manager's instructions. For us to press them we would need Guthrie, Smith, Routledge and Nolan to be chasing down their players across the length of the pitch for 90 minutes. Do you really think that any of that lot bar Routledge looked physically capable of doing that today? They were capable of it as soon as we conceded. Routledge clearly is, the other lot can do it to they just dont bother. Its mental more than Physical. When its 0-0 they dont even contest balls that are dropping down to the opposition...they just stand and wait. When we're losing they get stuck in and we get more possession, its just the basics they stop doing due to arrogance i think.

I dont think it makes sense to compare entire seasons worth of form for both young and old players. Young players are learning the game as they go. Based on an entire seasons worth of form, Carroll wouldnt have just scored 5 in 6 but he did. Its not a useful argument.

Carroll is still f***ing s***, it's only statistics that with all the headers he f***s up one or two will sometimes be good. That's 5 goals in 6. So? If our target man was any decent it'd be more than that with our long ball tactics tbh. If your being serious that is even funnier! Of course I'm serious, anyone not wearing "He's a local lad, he's teh best since Shearahhhh lolz!!!11!1one!!1" glasses sees that. Our target man should be getting a goal every game Your funny. Where was Carroll prior to his scoring run? If we had a target man that could actually steer his headers towards other players, and use his feet as well, we'd easily be a much better side. I'm not saying a target man needs to score, but Carroll offers nothing besides being lucky a few times in recent games. Ranger for instance, whilst still being very raw, shows sign of being a decent target man in that he can hold up the ball and actually aim headers. It's a shame he can't put them away. Carroll is just a young Tore Andre Flo tbh. You should look at how many assists Carroll has, it might just surprise you. I don't need to look, as I'm well aware. He's still not good enough to be first choice striker for us, I'd be concerned if he was our 4th choice striker, even. He'll never make it at the top level, and while he'll be good enough until we (hopefully) get promoted, we need rid of him in the summer and bring in someone that's actually a footballer. Well it's not 'offering nothing' than is it, when he is scoring and assisting. How about you put some logic into your next argument. Andy Carroll has 7 in 24 apps and 5 assists. We have 48 goals, which means he's been involved in 12 of them, which in itself doesn't sound bad. Though, when you look at all the chances he's had to set people up and to put more away, it starts to get more shocking. You can't waste that many chances, if we'd not have Nolan around fluking one in here and there earlier in the season, those errors would be much more apparent and could single-handedly be a reason for us being around mid-table rather than at the top of the table. He has 65 shots (headers included), whearas 20 have been on goal. We're s*** at getting the balls to him though, but you'd imagine a player like the one you're describing would be able to produce more than statistically 2.7 shots a match, wouldn't you? I mean, after all, he has "5 in 6". But wait, 5 in 6? What happened before those 6? Oh, yeah, he did almost nothing. I can't find his completed pass percentage, but I'm fairly certain that when and if I do find it, it will be less than 30%. He's not a good striker, we're not a good team. It's not a good match when we need ability up front to make up for the shitness of the rest of the team, especially in midfield. If he can only get 56 shots fired in the Championship, what would he do in the Premiership? He's not good, the numbers speak for themselves. What he does on the pitch speaks for itself. I'm not blinded by one lucky scoring run. Basically, he offers us pretty much nothing. I'm fairly certain even Ameobi would be banging some of the headers Carroll has missed straight in. Unbelieveable. What? The actual statistics of Andy Carroll this season? I know. That's funny, your funny. You're. If you don't want to have an actual debate about something to defend your opinion, I'll resort to childlike petty replies as well. Actually, i dissected your massive post - just up above. Where you contradicted yourself more than once If there are contradictions, they're there because I'm not a native speaker of English and have probably constructed sentences wrong. Your dissection is pretty bad as well, mind. As you've bolded statistical facts regarding him this season were I say it doesn't sound to bad, before I go into describing why it still is bad. Then you've bolded that I say we're s*** at getting balls through to him, which we are, which in turn I mentioned to describe how our midfield is not good and that we need a striker that can do more with the delievery they do get. Then you've highlighted where I've said he basically offers us nothing, which he doesn't, as we could easily play Ameobi instead and have a better striker on the pitch. Even Ranger, as I've mentioned before, has better hold up play. That said, I'll give you that Ranger has yet to develop the finishing skills needed to score the goals we need, so he's not a better choice as long as Carroll keeps getting lucky. Once Carroll starts to dry out, though, he'd be a better choice as he can keep the ball up and get it around to others better than Carroll can. You said he offered nothing.. then pointed out his contribution has resulted in 12 goals in 48. That he doesn't have many chances a match, and he provides assists to his team-mates. Stop it now, i'm bored. Amazing, I'd be tempted to say something about your intelligence, but I won't, so I'll bold it out for you, my point is THAT IT IS NOT GOOD FOR A STRIKER STARTING AS MANY GAMES AS CARROLL FOR THE TEAM CURRENTLY LEADING THE CHAMPIONSHIP AND THAT IS WHY HE OFFERS US NOTHING THAT SAY AMEOBI COULDN'T. There, get it? I like it how you have managed to change your argument completely . I also like the fact you must edit your posts at least twice. I like the fact you can't actually argue your side of the argument, rather than point out things that has nothing to do with it. Seriously, man. What are you even doing on a debate forum if you don't want to debate something? Sadly, you can't really debate with people who say a striker offers nothing, and then say he is responsible for 25% of our goals. My point has always been that he offers us nothing compared to our other strikers, and that he'd barely be 4th choice for me. You can search all my previous posts regarding Carroll (in all threads) for evidence that it has been my opinion. And he's not responsible for 25% of our goals, since when is 7 out of 48 25%? Ameobi has 7 in 9 as well, by the way. You count the assists as well http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c75/Kaizero/dcscs.jpg I'm out. Let me know when we can have a debate where both sides discuss the same thing, though that will probably be never. ur an idiot. r u claymin u can pridikt da fyootah!?!?!? idiot! You have contradicted yourself so many times, which i have even pointed out on each occasion. You don't actually have an argument. You made a knee-jerk post, which you keep trying to defend.. which has been picked apart. 7 goals and 5 assists = 12 - right? 48/12 = 4 = 25%. Simple math. I'm out. tbf thats typical of you. One, I haven't and two you haven't pointed it out or proved it on any occasion. If you're going to stat it up then Ameobi 7 goals and 1 assist in 8 starts. =100% Carroll 7 goals and 5 assists in 20 starts = 60% Lovenkrands 5 goals and 1 assist in 10 starts = 60% So therefore our other options are as good as or better than Carroll in 10 less games. I love you fttw, man. I felt like I was the only sane person left. You both think an unfit Ameobi whos not scored in the last 5 games he's played is a better option than Carroll whos scored 5 in his last 6? Doesnt seem that sane to me

Leicester 4-0 at HT

You don't, but we said that about Nolan. It's relevant too, because you know it means that Hughton will play him no matter what his contribution is, despite Lovenkrands and Shola's record being as good. If Nolan was still scoring itd still be right about Nolan also. I dont think Carrolls contribution is that bad atall for what hes expected to do on his own. I think our style of play is rubbish though and very unlikely to be getting the best out of him or our team. He's learning as he goes and scoring more than anyone else at the moment.

He has scored more goals recently than any of our other strikers

This entire convo is going massively off track. You dont drop a guy whos scored 5 in 6, this is simple