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No.

First time Trevor Francis has ever seen a player's shirt getting pulled.

Fucking unbelievable penalty.

COME ON!

Pardew was shit scared of their threat tbf.

Our play looks so flat, it's totally inexcusable.

Was such a smart idea to abandon the idea of winning the game last week.

Haha Mike, that's class.

It was a movie set up so that he could be shit today. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/avs/avatar_4814_1368156833.gif I'm glad this thing is landing for other people, man. I laugh at it consistently. What the hell's it off?

Lolgo.

It was a movie set up so that he could be shit today. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/avs/avatar_4814_1368156833.gif

Hmm, doesn't make a lot of sense to me, that side. If Taylor's out then surely MYM goes back to centre half and you play Simpson/Perch left back? And that looks like a very defensive midfield in a game we should be looking to win. Why no Marveaux? Happy with the front 3 I suppose.

""It was never my intention to belittle Newcastle fans. "I want to clear up any misunderstanding that may have arisen over what I said. I have nothing but the highest regard for Newcastle fans and I always have had. "They are up there with the best supporters in the game. "Their passion, commitment and fervour have never wavered, even though they have had little to celebrate. "They have turned up in numbers to get behind their team wherever and whenever the games have been played. When I take a team to St James' Park, I have stressed to the players that not only have they got to beat the opposition on the field, just as important is coping with the atmosphere created by the fans. "Sadly, results have not matched their loyalty. If Newcastle's achievements had matched the support of the people who pay to watch them play, the club would be among the game's giants. It's tragic that they haven't been able to win a league title for over eighty years". That's the opinion of the best manager in the history of English football. Any manager that doesn't want that challenge due to bullshit reasons that have been mentioned in this thread is a manager I don't want at the club. Our potential is huge and the only managers who have done a good job here have realised that.

It's one of the most flaky arguments I've ever seen on here, that the opinions of people who know nothing about football shape our ability to attract a good manager.

Let me repeat myself. BEFORE MARTIN JOL, TOTTENHAM HOTSPURS WERE A LAUGHING STOCK. Martin Jol was no big name, had very little to lose coming from a smaller foreign club. They've started to look a proper club when they gave Jol 3 years to improve the side and Harry 4. Anyone would think you're conveniently ignoring Ramos. A bad appointment that they corrected.

This is such a pointless argument man. You still haven't said who we should have stuck with and why, other than the obvious and the insane.

Re "Where's the widespread derision?", how am I supposed to answer that? You've given me a load of tittle tattle, so I suppose I'll have to tell you I heard similar tittle tattle with regards Dalglish at Liverpool. I live and work in London and have done for years, the outside view is that we're a fantastic club who deserve success. None of this waffle ever gets peddled.

Do you have comprehension problems? I'm not saying Allardyce as the reason we got relegated. It just wouldn't have happened if he was boss. So, people will look at that and call it a mistake. Look at Blackburn. They could've hired a better manager than Kean. But everyone talks about how they wouldn't have been in that position if they stuck with Allardyce. So sacking him looks a bad decision now. Do you understand? Don't bother trying to patronise me when you're making the most flaky points known to man. How could it possibly be seen as a bad decision to sack Allardyce, hire Keegan, because 16 months later we got relegated when Keegan hadn't even been the manager for 8 months or whatever? You're making it sound like we sacked Allardyce, hired someone else then got relegated as a result of that change.

We kept Keegan for around 6 years, Robson for around 5 years. Check this out, understand the point and I'm trying to make and hopefully after that go away: http://www.leaguemanagers.com/managers/longest-current.html

They were ridiculed by loads of people, you're just choosing to ignore that while being hyper-sensitive towards outside views towards us. And he wasn't interim manager at Liverpool, not sure why you're choosing to use that term. Basically, you've created another stick to beat NUFC with, one that doesn't really exist. As if someone like Benitez or Martinez or Jol would give a shit about this man.

I can't believe you're peddling this Allardyce stuff, CD. Anyone who thinks we got relegated because we sacked Allardyce 16 months prior is a total moron, so fuck knas why we're talking about the opinions of people like that.

What the f*** are you on about man. General consensus on here is that "all our ex-managers have been shit and deserved to get sacked". The wider football world doesn't see it like that. Unless you're talking about Paul Merson or someone I'm not sure what you're on about. I think most people know what the craic is, and certainly managers wouldn't be put off by it. We're a fantastic club and anyone who manages us should see the potential and feel lucky. Why you're going on about the opinion of a few Sun journos and Man Utd fans from Surrey (probably not mutually exclusive) is beyond me. Anyone who's worth knowing knows we're a proper football club just waiting to realise our full potential. Would you like me to dig up Alex Ferguson's quotes that say pretty much exactly the same thing?

dis gon be gud The mistake was hiring them, I agree. But as an outsider, would you see it that way? We've hired managers that have won big trophies and have been great players - sacked. We've hired from within, sacked after a season or two. We should have given SBR and Hughton more time. We wouldn't have gotten relegated with Fat Sam even though i despised him. A good manager should be confident enough in their own ability to not worry about s**** like that. Live for the day, not the daft little trends you think you've identified. Whether Robson should have been given more time is debatable, I'd agree about Hughton though certainly. Your comment about Allardyce is crazy. He left when we were going nowhere but downwards (hoofing the ball up to Owen and Martins), then Keegan came in and kept us safe. We got relegated the following season, so I'm not sure what you mean - that we should have kept ahold of Allardyce as long as possible so we stayed in the league? Daft little trend? Every manager we've had since Keegan has either gone into semi-retirement or had to drop down a division to rebuild their careers. These are respected football men. I don't "live for the day" regarding my career and I doubt a football manager is any different. 1 and a half years of nothing football and we finished 3rd and 5th. I personally hate Fat Sam. But none of his teams will get relegated from the PL. I'm sure everyone in football knows this. He's just not a NUFC manager, we have to play nice football, bad fit. But you can see how it might look like a bad decision to sack him from the outside right? They've went into semi retirement or whatever because they did fucking awful jobs and got binned before they could do more damage. I'm still waiting for examples. You've given me Robson and Hughton, where I've admitted you might have a semblance of a point, and Allardyce because we got relegated 16 months after sacking him. It was 100% not a bad decision to sack him, it is the best example going of a bad decision to hire him. You've taken my "live for the day" thing the wrong way, I mean that a good manager won't worry about the past, they'll know they can do a good job. And we did play poor football under Robson for a year and a half, I saw it with my eyes and stuff. The decline was there for all to see.

What the fuck are you on about man.

dis gon be gud The mistake was hiring them, I agree. But as an outsider, would you see it that way? We've hired managers that have won big trophies and have been great players - sacked. We've hired from within, sacked after a season or two. We should have given SBR and Hughton more time. We wouldn't have gotten relegated with Fat Sam even though i despised him. A good manager should be confident enough in their own ability to not worry about shite like that. Live for the day, not the daft little trends you think you've identified. Whether Robson should have been given more time is debatable, I'd agree about Hughton though certainly. Your comment about Allardyce is crazy. He left when we were going nowhere but downwards (hoofing the ball up to Owen and Martins), then Keegan came in and kept us safe. We got relegated the following season, so I'm not sure what you mean - that we should have kept ahold of Allardyce as long as possible so we stayed in the league?