henke

Not sure the Deportive one counts. But i suppose if it wins you a huge trophy it must be a competetive game, so i'll add it. '91 - Tranmere - Lost '92 - Bournemouth - Lost '96 - Chelsea - Lost '98 - Blackburn - Lost '02 - Everton - Lost '03 - Partizan Belgrade - Lost '06 - Watford - Won '10 - Deportivo la Coruna - Won So you could say we're on a roll. Can anyone add to that?

Did that go to penalties? I was sure we had a shoot out against Tranmere way back when, but i could find nothing yesterday when i was looking. It did go to penalties. (which we lost) We were always a shambles at penalty shootouts. Cheers, i thought i was going mad. I can remember losing to Tranmere, but i'd totally forgotton about that cup.

Did that go to penalties? I was sure we had a shoot out against Tranmere way back when, but i could find nothing yesterday when i was looking.

Same, mainly because i was sure it was a rugby club.

Aly Sissoko limped off after 9 minutes for Liverpool.

I hope you're right.

Cheers mate but I really don't care what you had I see what you did there.

The club's not worth 300m. Huh? My point is this: why would a company with 100 million in debt and posting yearly losses be MORE valuable to a prospective buyer than one (same assets) with no debts and posting a 20 million or so yearly profit? Can see your point but I think the key to this is that it has always been assumed that Ashley would aim at least to get back what he had spent on the club. So say he spent £140 million buying it and then put another £110 in as loan, he's out of pocket by £250 million. So if he's selling the club then the assumption is he's want that sum (at least) for the club to cover his costs. On the other hand if he ever manages to recover all of the debt out of the clubs cash flows then he would only be out of pocket by £140 million. So if he sold the club at that point for say £200 million he's made a £60 million profit overall. And potentially therefore the asking price for the club could be less without the debt. I don't know if that helps... He could, say in 5 years have the debt cleared by running us on the bare minimum...Once its all paid off, why sell? Could be a nice little earner and free sponsorship for his flagship company. The club (business) has paid for itself and is now passing profit his way without having to do much. The next TV deal will only get bigger imho...BT are going to push sky and with the economy slowly picking up it could be a good earner for Ashley. He could be here 20 years or more. I've been saying that for a while. If you have a business earning you twenty mil a year, why would you get rid? When you're a billionaire I would think there are faster ways to make money than put your money in a football club. Undoubtedly. But at the minute, and for the foreseeable, we're making him £20mil a year.

Actually, i've never gone into a garage looking to unsettle a car. Knowing that if i give it a week it would sulk and drive the price down a bit. Ok, so it wasn't a great analogy. But it's probably the closest you'll get to a real world scenario. Cajun chicken for tea by the way, was flippin marvelous.

Worst analogy ever. Not really. You know before you enquire what you think the thing is worth, and what you're prepared to pay, which is exactly the same as the situation Arsenal are in. The car doesn't have to make a decision on if it would prefer you to drive it or someone else. And also, the option of the car dealer keeping the car until its contract runs out and anyone can pick it up is not a common one. Honestly, henke, it's a terrible, terrible analogy . I've just been mulling this over while making me tea, and i'm right you're all wrong. The contract running out, i'll concede that because it's a factor. But not with Cabaye as he's three years left to run. we're talking about agreeing a price, the players wishes don't come into it (yet) because the buying club hasn't even been in contact with him. Two blokes haggling over an item for sale, in theory should take no more than a few minutes.

The club's not worth 300m. Huh? My point is this: why would a company with 100 million in debt and posting yearly losses be MORE valuable to a prospective buyer than one (same assets) with no debts and posting a 20 million or so yearly profit? Can see your point but I think the key to this is that it has always been assumed that Ashley would aim at least to get back what he had spent on the club. So say he spent £140 million buying it and then put another £110 in as loan, he's out of pocket by £250 million. So if he's selling the club then the assumption is he's want that sum (at least) for the club to cover his costs. On the other hand if he ever manages to recover all of the debt out of the clubs cash flows then he would only be out of pocket by £140 million. So if he sold the club at that point for say £200 million he's made a £60 million profit overall. And potentially therefore the asking price for the club could be less without the debt. I don't know if that helps... He could, say in 5 years have the debt cleared by running us on the bare minimum...Once its all paid off, why sell? Could be a nice little earner and free sponsorship for his flagship company. The club (business) has paid for itself and is now passing profit his way without having to do much. The next TV deal will only get bigger imho...BT are going to push sky and with the economy slowly picking up it could be a good earner for Ashley. He could be here 20 years or more. I've been saying that for a while. If you have a business earning you twenty mil a year, why would you get rid?

Worst analogy ever. Not really. You know before you enquire what you think the thing is worth, and what you're prepared to pay, which is exactly the same as the situation Arsenal are in. The car doesn't have to make a decision on if it would prefer you to drive it or someone else. And also, the option of the car dealer keeping the car until its contract runs out and anyone can pick it up is not a common one. Honestly, henke, it's a terrible, terrible analogy . Ah knackers, so maybe i was simplifying it a bit.

Got all 44. Tip, click the progress thing down at the bottom. I only thought of doing this toward the end, it'll show you which premiership etc clubs youve missed. It's the only way i'd have got west brom.

Just got frankfurt.

23 and starting to struggle, i'll get there though.

Its on average an extra £15-18m every season for 3 seasons. Take that off the debt and the club could probably be bought for a minus £200m outlay, much more likely.

Depends...he may take a massive slice of our new tv deal money to help reduce it. We aint makin any progress until he gets his money back or reduces it by a large amount. plucking a radom figure out of my arse...id say another 5 years. How much is the extra tv cash? i've heard £60mil talked about, is that over a few seasons?

'92 - Bournemouth - Lost '96 - Chelsea - Lost '98 - Blackburn - Lost '02 - Everton - Lost '03 - Partizan Belgrade - Lost '07 - Watford - Won Can anyone add to that?

This has possibly been done before but can you guys piece together NUFCs history / record in penalty shoot outs. I can vaguely recall going out of the cup around '91, i think that was the first year shoot outs were brought in. Competetive matches only mind, so not that one in Malaysia or where ever it was when Jenas tried to be a smart arse.

Pens. Awesome, i'm not sure of our record in shoot outs but i reckon we've lost a lot more than we've won.

Any other premier league club that's facing a league 2 side would go there fully expecting a comfortable win, regardless if half their first team is rested. By the time we kick off against these our players will be thinking they're inferior to Morecambe, and we'll be lucky to get a replay. (assuming it goes to a replay)

I'd go along with that to an extent. But you'll also risk a bidding war and the price could rocket like it did with Carroll. If Arsenal had started at £10mil last sunday they could have thrashed a deal out and probably got Cabaye last sunday evening for £14mil. As it stands now they're quite likely to pay more or possibly lose him to PSG for an even higher fee.

Worst analogy ever. Not really. You know before you enquire what you think the thing is worth, and what you're prepared to pay, which is exactly the same as the situation Arsenal are in.

SSN saying Ba's been linked with a move to Qatar. Didn't see that coming!

If a car is marked up and £20,000 and you offer £10,000 you'll be laughed at and told to jog on. So one of two things happens, you find a different car for £10,000 or you come back with a serious offer. But it takes minutes, not weeks.