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Howay Luton, do an upset please.

Just noticed Sky Sports still have the old Villa badge on their scoreboard, only a third of the way through the season

Why are the linesman flagging straight away in this? Thought they where meant to wait?

Villa have been struggling with the pace of Forest, so they bring on Tielemans....

Get in Forest.

I'm just thinking out loud here, so this could be gibberish, but I do think we as a football community need to look at how we collectively analyse and debate these sorts of decisions. The amount of flack and pressure the referees come under are ridiculous. Mistakes can be annoying and frustrating, and can make you angry if it goes against you, but the continued pile on online, on talk sport, on Sky Sports isn't helpful, and it doesn't help change. You have people like Mark Goldbridge, Rory Jennings etc whose whole income structure is to ensure that things remain as incendiary as possible as that's what gets them views, but it's not a conducive environment to create actual change, you just end up in a circle jerk of emotions, and clubs coming out with statements like Arsenal's and managers like Arteta coming out like he did yesterday in such a spiteful and venomous manner, it's just wrong imo. It's a subjective sport, things aren't black or white, that's why we all love it, so why are we trying to make it so? (The answer is money, there is so much money in the game now that one wrong decision can cost millions) With the Liverpool incident, that was a black and white factual error, so I can see why they where so aggrieved, but this, everything is just subjective, Willock keeping the ball in, Joelintons push, Gordon's offside, it's all subjective, but isn't that what makes football beautiful? For reference the average yearly salary for a Premier League ref is £35k-£40k (They then get paid a certain amount per match too I think), so who would genuinely want to be a referee for that amount of money, as the amount of pressure they're under for that amount is laughable. We've seen with Caroline Flack what can happen when the media, social media and the general public pile on someone, and it would not surprise me if one day a referee does something similar, as it's shocking the amount of flack they get, and we as Football fans need to realise that the current environment is not helpful in the slightest before something happens.

This is the first time I've seen Villa since the first day of the season, I'm guessing they're off colour as Forest have been on top here.

Lovely finish that.

Havertz left the ground, and got some serious airtime, and he went in studs up, even if he didn't connect, it's still a terrible challenge and one that should be a red imo. Bruno's is 100% a red too, was a really silly thing to do, and he let the emotions get the better of him.

It obviously all subjective, but like a lot of the players from the Rafa era, that helped get us promoted, he's always played his hardest and played for the shirt, in a period which was one of the darkest in the clubs history. Ritchie was pivotal in that promotion season btw. He also seems like one of the biggest influencers in the dressing room, and someone who helps set the standards. I'll also always remember what he said to Longstaff when he was in a dark place, and when I'm judging someone, that will always take precedence over footballing ability. He also called Bruce a cunt, which is a bonus. So to me I'll always remember him fondly, and think he's represented the club, well and has been a good servant to it.

Fluminense

So we reckon the Champions League and the Copa Libertadores are the biggest two club competitions in the world?

That's a quality strike like. What a goal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzoUjrgj-1g

Return after the next International break is going to be key to whether we get top 4 imo. We have: Chelsea (h) Man United (h) Everton (a) Spurs (a) Get 7-9 Points from that and we'll be in a good place imo.

The Irony of you laughing at that

Think this has been the first time we've been on the good end of one of these "Controversial" decisions, that seems to get everyone talking, ala, the offside for Liverpool against Spurs. And I have to say, its fucking glorious to see all the salty tears, @leffe186 this what it felt like after the Liverpool game?

I mean, these have happened over the last couple of weeks https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/xl-bully-dog-attack-sunderland-death-b2423684.html https://news.sky.com/story/two-people-seriously-injured-in-suspected-xl-bully-attack-in-mansfield-13000141 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/04/american-bully-dog-breed-spotlight-uk-fatal-attacks

https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/premier-league-newcastle-vs-arsenal-saturday-4th-november-ko-17-30-gmt-sky-sports.36446/page-87#posts

Normally don't like him, but he's spot on here.

I've only ever heard Raphael Honigstein's voice on the Totally Football Show, he looks nothing like I was expecting, he almost looks Spanish