BrettNUFC

Cisse's scored 22 goals in 55 games in the Prem since arriving. Long has scored 19 goals in 81 games in Prem for West Brom. Massive difference really. Especially when you consider Long had previous experience with Reading in the league.

Who cares, he still ran the show for them every time they attacked. He was literally Man Utd's only threat. Yes there was a couple of situations where he shot at distance when he could have brought the ball further in or slipped another player in but he's only 18, plenty of time to learn decision making. Picking out that point from that game, is woeful stuff. Wouldn't have even got to pens if he hadn't stepped up and got them back in it with a lovely 1-2 then cross. Did he bollocks. He was constantly throwing himself on the ground, giving away free kicks and shooting from anywhere when there were far better options. I basically said i couldn't give a s*** if Januzai doesn't track back, if i was manager, i wouldn't want him tracking back too much. That's not his game and i'd want him as high up the pitch as possible. That's not just him though, whoever i thought my most creative attacking player was, i'd give them the freedom they need without putting pressure on them to defend. Took the corner that led to goal, created the best chance of the game with Hernandez then produced magic to get them to pens. Who else for Man Utd did any damage in the slightest, he ran the show for Man Utd to the extent it was like a one man team going forward. Not just this game either, been like that for a couple of month. What was his tracking back like? Couldn't tell you, don't really pay attention to that part of his game. Could have just stood on the half way line all game and i wouldn't think any less of him. Not his job to defend. Is it a FB's job to support the attacks? Depends if you have instructed them too, there job is to defend primarily. Some managers like a FB with the attacking qualities and place a lot of emphasis on this, others are happy for them to concentrate on their position and let the wingers do their stuff. An example would be Jose and Chelsea...he likes his FB's to defend and not venture forward all gung ho. Martinez at Everton gives his FB's the license to roam and support. Not the Chelsea i've watched this season. Lots of their width comes from their FBs. Think you've just fallen for a common myth there. Well i have to disagree, their job under Jose is to defend, that's priority. I'm not saying they won't cross the half way line but you'll rarely see one so far out of position because they've attacked too much, like you may see with managers who want their FB's to attack. From the start of this, i'm not sure what your point has been. Do you want to see Januzai tracking back? Do you think Man Utd should have more cover for their fullbacks or should their full backs support more? What actaully is your point?

f*** off, man. No chance How on earth is Shane Long rated so highly on here...same Shane Long that was going to tear Colo a new one then we hardly seen him. 1 game He's played well against us in the past, and I don't think it's a case of him being highly rated, more hard worker = Pardew happy. Hans, i'd struggle to find a more bang average player than Shane Long. Like you say, he works hard, that's his best attribute. He might go on a run of 3/4 games where he'll score then go missing for 15. He hasn't even nailed down a spot as a striker for West Brom, baffled how they've managed to get 6 million for a player in and out of their side. The Colo comment was more of a dig at all those slagging off Colo to the extreme, like they are doing with Cisse in this thread. It's way over the top and we make them sound proper shit. I mean because Long had a good game previously against Colo, people were saying Long would tear Colo a new one, was laughable. Some of the comments our club captain gets is a complete joke.

Who cares, he still ran the show for them every time they attacked. He was literally Man Utd's only threat. Yes there was a couple of situations where he shot at distance when he could have brought the ball further in or slipped another player in but he's only 18, plenty of time to learn decision making. Picking out that point from that game, is woeful stuff. Wouldn't have even got to pens if he hadn't stepped up and got them back in it with a lovely 1-2 then cross. Thought he was mince last night - but when he stopped being a little s*** and hit the byline they got a goal, only took 120 minutes. Dropping him for Mata would make sense for a while. Let him come back down to earth. He's been an arsehole since he played for England. He's an 18 year old kid and basically carrying Man Utd. The criticism of him is madness in my eyes. I didn't think he had one of his better games last night yet he was still Man Utd's best attacking threat and looking the biggest danger for them the whole game.

Who cares, he still ran the show for them every time they attacked. He was literally Man Utd's only threat. Yes there was a couple of situations where he shot at distance when he could have brought the ball further in or slipped another player in but he's only 18, plenty of time to learn decision making. Picking out that point from that game, is woeful stuff. Wouldn't have even got to pens if he hadn't stepped up and got them back in it with a lovely 1-2 then cross. Did he bollocks. He was constantly throwing himself on the ground, giving away free kicks and shooting from anywhere when there were far better options. Took the corner that led to goal, created the best chance of the game with Hernandez then produced magic to get them to pens. Who else for Man Utd did any damage in the slightest, he ran the show for Man Utd to the extent it was like a one man team going forward. Not just this game either, been like that for a couple of month. What was his tracking back like? Couldn't tell you, don't really pay attention to that part of his game. Could have just stood on the half way line all game and i wouldn't think any less of him. Not his job to defend. Is it a FB's job to support the attacks? Depends if you have instructed them too, there job is to defend primarily. Some managers like a FB with the attacking qualities and place a lot of emphasis on this, others are happy for them to concentrate on their position and let the wingers do their stuff. An example would be Jose and Chelsea...he likes his FB's to defend and not venture forward all gung ho. Martinez at Everton gives his FB's the license to roam and support.

Who cares, he still ran the show for them every time they attacked. He was literally Man Utd's only threat. Yes there was a couple of situations where he shot at distance when he could have brought the ball further in or slipped another player in but he's only 18, plenty of time to learn decision making. Picking out that point from that game, is woeful stuff. Wouldn't have even got to pens if he hadn't stepped up and got them back in it with a lovely 1-2 then cross. Did he bollocks. He was constantly throwing himself on the ground, giving away free kicks and shooting from anywhere when there were far better options. Took the corner that led to goal, created the best chance of the game with Hernandez then produced magic to get them to pens. Who else for Man Utd did any damage in the slightest, he ran the show for Man Utd to the extent it was like a one man team going forward. Not just this game either, been like that for a couple of month. What was his tracking back like? Couldn't tell you, don't really pay attention to that part of his game. Could have just stood on the half way line all game and i wouldn't think any less of him. Not his job to defend.

That sounds just bitter. They deservedly went through. It's hard to justify one shot on target in 120 minutes imo. And the shot was a 20 yarder which you'd expect any keeper from under 14 league upwards to be saving. I think mackems probably shaded the two legs but i thought Man Utd were the better side last night, but they did actually win the game, just not the tie but they only have themselves to blame.

Who cares, he still ran the show for them every time they attacked. He was literally Man Utd's only threat. Yes there was a couple of situations where he shot at distance when he could have brought the ball further in or slipped another player in but he's only 18, plenty of time to learn decision making. Picking out that point from that game, is woeful stuff. Wouldn't have even got to pens if he hadn't stepped up and got them back in it with a lovely 1-2 then cross. Did he bollocks. He was constantly throwing himself on the ground, giving away free kicks and shooting from anywhere when there were far better options. Took the corner that led to goal, created the best chance of the game with Hernandez then produced magic to get them to pens. Who else for Man Utd did any damage in the slightest, he ran the show for Man Utd to the extent it was like a one man team going forward. Not just this game either, been like that for a couple of month.

The league goes through stages where one side will dominant for a period of time, Man Utd will have their turn again in the future, no doubt. May be but not for the last length of time...You just have to look at how Liverpool changed. Well it's hard to imagine any club doing it for that length of time again, that's why it's remarkable when it does actually happen. It is just one big cycle though and Man Utd's turn will come back around again.

The league goes through stages where one side will dominant for a period of time, Man Utd will have their turn again in the future, no doubt.

Who cares, he still ran the show for them every time they attacked. He was literally Man Utd's only threat. Yes there was a couple of situations where he shot at distance when he could have brought the ball further in or slipped another player in but he's only 18, plenty of time to learn decision making. Picking out that point from that game, is woeful stuff. Wouldn't have even got to pens if he hadn't stepped up and got them back in it with a lovely 1-2 then cross.

That team he set out tonight was more than good enough to win at home to the mackems. However he did a 'Pardew' and tried to sit on the 1-0 lead and the defence were solid in all fairness and restricted mackems to nothing. But then came the howler and fucked Moyes reet up the arsehole. I don't even think the possibility of pens entered his mind at any stage with the subs he made, awful management.

This second half by Man Utd

No complaints about Moyes tonight from me, think he's picked a very good side finally and players in the right positions. Personally would have had Jones in for Smalling though. Match related, how the fuck Borni wasn't booked for that tackle on Januzai is beyond me. Dived in recklessly.

Fuck off, man. No chance How on earth is Shane Long rated so highly on here...same Shane Long that was going to tear Colo a new one then we hardly seen him.

The first leg against the mackems the way he managed Januzai was desperate and woeful. I think he played every attacking position possible during the whole game, he was being swapped every 15 minutes or so. Was crazy management.

His whole ability is nowhere near as bad as people make out.

Torres had horrendous injuries to overcome, don't think it's fair to compare the two. He lost that dash of pace because of it and has struggled ever since, Chelsea were crazy for taking that much of an expensive risk. Cisse is struggling with confidence, not injuries or adapting his game. Cisse is a renowned goalscorer and with the right players around him, with the right service, he'll get goals.

It's hardly knee jerk, he's played very poorly for a long time now. Much longer than he played well for the club. I don't see why it's a problem to say 7m is good money or he'll still probably play poor in a 442. Wasn't aimed at those two comments. Just in general a lot of fans have pretty much just wrote of his entire football career and come to the conclusion he's s*** because he hasn't played well for a year or so. Even though this season he's hardly been given enough chances in the first time and i still feel we should be starting him week in week out for a period of time with Remy and Ben Arfa out wide. Looked excellent last 10 mins or so against Fulham when they were all on the pitch, continued that on against Villa, failed against Hull, never to be seen again. Not just him though, we see it time and time again with others at the club.

Crazy how much fans can turn on a player, like. Happens time and time again.

I think the majority of players do go for money but the importance a manager can have on bringing talent to a club shouldn't be underestimated, which i think CD is doing.

Santa Cazorla and world xmas talent...have i missed some sort of joke here in the Man Utd thread?