BrettNUFC

Only so many times you can post the same things without it being spam tbh Taking action this time, drop HP a pm and tell him to start a graph. Need some hard evidence, bloke only sings when we are losing

I'd love to see Wullie's post rate when in poor form to good form as well. Hardly hear from him when things are going well.

Not easy when you reply than have another 5 things to answer for Least i'm here trying to convince you lot this poor form will be put to an end and we will get back on a run again. I'm keeping faith that even Pardew's tactic of shutting up shop or containment will still pick up positive results even if i don't agree with it. He's here to stay and whilst Ashley is in charge and the results on the pitch continue to be good ones, i'm happy for that. He had his chance this season to forget last season and get us back on track and he's done that so far, couple of attacking signings and we can still push on. Not all doom and gloom like some make out.

You probably want Pardew sacked again Hans, you chop and change that opinion by the week

I don't know ask Pardew why he decided to try and contain them from scoring then looking to nick one. I've said i didn't agree with that tactic but if Debuchy hadn't of got sent and Ebn Arfa nicks the goal, it's 3 points, didn't work this time for him though due to the sending off giving WB the advantage and reducing the chances of us nicking it big style like he would have planned. We should have approached it like Palace, weather we would have won like that or not we'll never know but that's how i would have set up. That approach (let's call it the West Brom approach) is far less effective than the Crystal Palace approach against lesser opposition, besides being less pleasing on the eye. That's why people have a problem with it, it's more likely to go wrong and is unnecessary, boring and tedious. It went wrong because one of his players let him down though. Just like one of his players might save him and get 3 points with individual brilliance as some put it, he was let down on this occasion by one of them. Goes around in circles, it's a risky tactic and one really we shouldn't be adopting against likes of West Brom.

I don't know ask Pardew why he decided to try and contain them from scoring then looking to nick one. I've said i didn't agree with that tactic but if Debuchy hadn't of got sent and Ebn Arfa nicks the goal, it's 3 points, didn't work this time for him though due to the sending off giving WB the advantage and reducing the chances of us nicking it big style like he would have planned. We should have approached it like Palace, weather we would have won like that or not we'll never know but that's how i would have set up.

No because i felt his tactics for that match were succeeding to getting a point at least until Debuchy f***ed him over. Its just i would have approached the game differently.

I said that if you go out hoping to bore the opposition to death then you have no right to bemoan your luck when it doesn't work out. Debuchy being a moron made our task much harder, but equally we could have lost anyway as we weren't attacking the opposition in a way worth discussing. It was 60 minutes of nothing up to that point, which I would blame the manager for going by his post-match comments which seemed to suggest that was the plan, as it often is. Your over-simplification of people's arguments to make yourself look sensible is massively grating at times. It was clearly his plan to keep it tight then strike, introduction of Ben Arfa early suggested we would be trying to attack them more but we couldn't get him on the ball enough. Though i still bemused to why when through he stopped and let two defenders get back with him then try and take them on, the strange football brain of Hatem This is not me agreeing with his tactics, no reason why we couldn't control this match like we did with Palace. Pardew seems to over complicate things himself by chopping and changing when to control or not, sometimes it's worked, sometimes it's failed. Frustrating nonetheless.

Kid Icarus iirc. Ahh fuck off then if it was him who said it, take back what i said, he's wrong, all Debuchy's fault

Nice sly one

Do you not see the blind irony in your own posts? As opposed to your view, when we win its Pardew in all his glory and when we lose its those pesky gutless players!? I think even when we win the players aren't covered in enough glory? I think they've been excellent thus far in the season hence why we are only 6 points off the champions league spot. There's more criticism than there is praise on here that's for sure. I haven't criticised either party too much this season as i've been happy with how things are going really. Yes we got beat off Man City in extra time but it was vallaint effort straight after the mackems then backed it up against Chelsea. Then we got outdone in last 20 minutes against Cardiff and i'm hoping the players bounce back on Sunday with a much better showing.

Clearly they both take some of the blame man. Can't remember who it was, but someone on here said that it's Pardew's fault we didn't win and Debuchy's fault that we lost, which is fair enough IMO. That's a decent assessment of it Well said whoever you are

Settle down Perchy, nobody has bottled anything it's okay man, sometimes people just haven't the mentality for these type of occasions. It's nothing to be ashamed of You won't have anything to be ashamed of either when you're still in Ian's back pocket going from bar to bar

Settle down Perchy, nobody has bottled anything

Was my weekend at work and it's a nightmare to get off, had the option to get off Sat or Sun, so opted for Sunday for at least the hangover and the toon match. Gutted to be missing it, make no mistake about it though, i'm fully behind the Blues to tank all over the Reds and i've got full faith in you to s*** all over ST in the middle of the park

Wider squad? We didn't see the wider squad, we went full strenth pretty much and still got fucked. Feel robbed of seeing the 'wider squad' now.

Gutted looking likely i'm missing this. Those interviews were quality. I'll be out on the night though. Anyone know what the plans for that are yet?

See there's one blame Pardew for West Brom and not Debuchy. Plenty more of them as well.

Eh, did you not see the stick Debuchy got for the sending off, or the stick Shola got for the Southampton and other games. Trying to change the truth wont make Pardew any better, you are deluded by your insistance that Pardew isn't crap. It was me saying that had Debuchy not got sent off, Pardew would have got at least a point if not the win? I thought it was going well until that red but people were saying we were a mess? Just like i thought Eliot was shocking and had us more knocked out than Pardew did against Cardiff, fair enough his tactics weren't steamrolling Cardiff but he got the first goal and was let down by his keeper and done off a late set piece. All the while Pardew is being painted an awful picture for having 3 L's now beside the form column when things haven't been as bad as some make out. He's got things wrong yes but he's also been let down by some of his players as well. He'll turn it around though and the players will step up the mark again, i'm sure of that. I'm not going overboard just because we've had a few iffy games in which we got beat. We were stuffed off Fulham and Spurs around these times in the 5th season but he bounced back, no reason to why the players won't respond to this. Brett you are doing the exact same thing. How the f*** would it have been Pardew getting the point or the win? You are banging on about people blaming Pardew when we get beat, and then in the same breath, mentioning if it wasn't for players, Pardew would have got a point or a win? f***ing hell lad, you are doolaly tap and so clearly Pardew's number one fan. Well we, we would have got the point at the very least, didn't mean to say he tactically got us those or takes all the credit. I thought we were showing a lot of commitment down there and both teams were fighting each other and it was a tightly fought game, intro of Ben Arfa i felt would swing things in our favour but before we could get him on the ball enough, we were down to 10 which changed things completely and then obviously 1 nil down. One rash moment and the context of the game gave them the upper hand and they took advantage, fair play. Take it on the chin. Plenty more points throughout the season to pick up. I can't see us given Man City a free ride come Sunday, we will be up for another fight.

I'd love that just as much as you Bimpy, who doesn't want their team playing with more attacking intent and scoring more goals. You make it sound like it’s the only the section of fans who want Pardew sacked want this type of football. Attacking is what football should be all about, sadly it's become far too much of a tactical affair and analysis of it all taking to the extremes. The days of each side playing 4-4-2 and just going hammer and tong are long gone. Now it's this formation against that formation, 10 men behind the ball and all this nonsense which is spoiling football. Saying this, we have attached ourselves to this kind of tosh but it's producing effective results, and whilst the results on the pitch are positive and things haven't got so boring to the point i can't watch, i'm happy to ride the wave and if that's nicking 1 nil wins, then so be it. If Ashley finally seen sense and binned Pardew for a top European coach, I’ll be just as happy as the next fan, but I won’t be holding my breath for it. And if Ashley sacked Pardew and brought in another side stepper, well...i don't even want to think of that scenario happening again tbh.

Eh, did you not see the stick Debuchy got for the sending off, or the stick Shola got for the Southampton and other games. Trying to change the truth wont make Pardew any better, you are deluded by your insistance that Pardew isn't crap. It was me saying that had Debuchy not got sent off, Pardew would have got at least a point if not the win? I thought it was going well until that red but people were saying we were a mess? Just like i thought Eliot was shocking and had us more knocked out than Pardew did against Cardiff, fair enough his tactics weren't steamrolling Cardiff but he got the first goal and was let down by his keeper and done off a late set piece. All the while Pardew is being painted an awful picture for having 3 L's now beside the form column when things haven't been as bad as some make out. He's got things wrong yes but he's also been let down by some of his players as well. He'll turn it around though and the players will step up the mark again, i'm sure of that. I'm not going overboard just because we've had a few iffy games in which we got beat. We were stuffed off Fulham and Spurs around these times in the 5th season but he bounced back, no reason to why the players won't respond to this.

You rarely on here after defeat see posters say, 'well the players need to take a long hard look at themselves after that'. The immiediete backlash goes straight to Pardew, the players have to be taken into account as well. When a defeat arises, Pardew gets the blunt of it which isn't always fair imo.

pardew? Of course he's not. He shouldn't be managing the calibre of players he has though HV tbf? He's not used to this sort of talent at his disposal and very lucky to be in the job he's in. He hardly deserved this upgrade on past experience. He's exceeded my expectations but he's been given a better squad to work with than when he first arrived. Saying this i think he's doing a reasonable job and i'm happy with how things are going but any chairmen with real ambition wouldn't have appointed him in the first place. He's just a very lucky man trying to take advantage of a once in a lifetime opportunity, can't blame him for it either.

I basically up my views on here for him because people take things way over the top when critising him. We win, players get credit, we lose, pardew's tactics. I try and say they are in it together, win together, lose together. I might point the finger at players or manager in certain games where i think they've definitley cost us but on the whole people try and make it so clear cut that it's all Pardew's fault when things go wrong. And Spudil, if you want to trawl through my posts where i'm backing the Pardew appointment or have said he's an excellent manager or that i love him or whatever else, feel free. You'll be wasting your time though. I give him praise for things he does, of course i do but i do sometimes say he's also cost us. End of the day i really am backing him and supporting him to do things well here as i really don't want Ashley to embarass this club furthur with another one of his strange delluisional appointments which he has brought on us. It's a gamble i simply don't want to take especially when i don't think that gamble needs to be taken. I said over the summer, if things started badly this season and it was looking another dog fight in the bottom half by xmas, i'll want him out and have no choice but to spin Ashley's job centre manager roulette wheel but no need to spin when we are sitting pretty 6 points off champions league.

No doubt, if i had confidence in our board to bring in someone of quality, i'd be on the opposite side of the fence like, no doubt. After this last shambles though i firmly realised the grass isn't always greener Sick as chip when Pardew was announced, up with the worst feelings i've had supporting Newcastle. Along with the Allardyce/Souness appointments. Madness how chairmen can get managerial appointments so wrong time and time again. Fair enough some just don't pay off but a lot you know have failed before they have even stepped foot in the door.