BrettNUFC

Cisse was moving for him though and looking to be slipped in but the ball was never played. Fair enough you didn't watch the match but you get a clear view when there of runs people make and it wasn't for Cisse's lack of effort that he wasn't being given the ball. Saying that, if the ball was played, chances are his run would be ill timed and he'd be offside. Forgot how much that pissed me off, wasn't a welcome return that offside flag going up everytime ball went near Cisse.

People think what managers say in the press conferences or what managers say in interviews after the game that's what will be said in the dressing room. I think that's far from the case tbh, i maybe wrong, we'll never know but i don't think Pardew would have been in the dressing room or build up to that game telling his players what a quality side Cardiff are and how we should fear and contain them. Just doesn't bode with me tbh. No sense in that. He has a habit of talking shit in the press and playing up opposition managers/players/teams to come across like he's not taking them lightly but it's just bullshit and i rarely pay any attention to it.

3 times he got in a good position and Cisse made the run for a slip in and he took another couple of feints before being tackled or having shot. He hasn't got the vision for a number 10 imo, it's all too slow. He doesn't know when he should pass it first time or whatever, he should know this stuff before the ball is even at his feet. What he's thinking about is how he's going to beat the next defender though. I don't want to sound like im hating on him btw because he's my fave player and one of the best i've seen here, i just prefer him on the right where im happy for him to pick up the ball and cut it or whatever. As a 10 though, the passing isn't there for me and you need that passing vision. I don't think Gouff and Siss should be classed as defensive simply because they work hard and track back, think that's harsh tbh. Valencia for Man Utd gets the same sort of stick for being defensive when he isn’t. Just hard working and you want that but some players just won’t really do it like Nani/Ben Arfa and it might jeopardise their place in the side under managers such as Pardew/Moyes. Certainly Ashley's mentality regarding the cups isn't good for club but i think it's a lame excuse for footballers to go out on the pitch and not care. Fans still pay there money to go and watch them and if they can't give 100 percent for them if not Ashley then that is wrong. Pardew is just giving a free ride knowing his job isn’t under threat for performance of the cups, he still wants to win one though and i think if he didn't you would have seen likes of Bigi/Sammy/Obertan/Dummett from the off. It wasn't to be though and we yet again need to wait till next year.

I don't think he got us knocked out because of orders from above but I do think he got us knocked out by p*ss poor team selection and tactics. Well fair enough if that's your opinion, can accept that if he's made a mistake with his team selection or tactics or both but that's more reasonable to say he threw the match necause he didn't want to be in the cup. That could have been a league match for me and that outcome might have still happened. I thought his team selection was good, i was happy with the team but then i thought tactically we were just giving Cardiff too much time on the ball and we weren't closing them down quick enough. I've never liked Ben Arfa in that 10 role and thought Sissoko should have moved in the middle and Ben Arfa out wide to stretch them. Some people love Ben Arfa in the 10 role though. We got the goal though and from then i thought the game was over and we were through but two poor goals and we are out. Tried in vain putting two strikers on to get the goal back but Cardiff were strong enough at the back to cope with our feeble pressure.

People act like Pardew done an Allardyce and fielded an under 21 side like he wasn't arsed. When in fact it was a very strong side that should have been capable of beating Cardiff and when you're 1 up with 20 minutes to go and Cardiff haven't really threatened much, i certainly thought we were in the next round and the players probably did too. Match got turned on it's head by poor keeping and a set piece, let's not go overboard here. We didn't batter Cardiff, they didn't batter us, was a poor standard of a game which we threw away when in control. To say Pardew deliberately got us knocked out on advice from Ashley or just because he wasn't arsed himself about the cup is mental.

You lot just missed my point about English managers. I meant the style of play around the country in England, 90 percent of the country play this 'anti football'. I keep hearing sack Pardew and our next manager will get us playing attacking football but when asked for names i got Nigel Adkins and Billy Davies, so i'm guessing if he was sacked we want a foreigner as if that's the best these shores have to offer us then they can fuck right off People say managers with a high level of class players will get their teams playing the right way of football but then you only need to look at our international side and see the football Hodgson is producing. My point basically is if we sack Pardew and bring someone else in and he turns out to be a bog standard manager with no flair in his style, will you get behind him? If the results are positive but football is still on the whole rather plain and flat, will you be behind him? A lot of people forget i was in your position with Hughton, i wanted him out, i couldn't give a shit if he was a nice guy or not, he was a bang average manager at best and i wanted someone different to come in to upgrade and take us to next level. He got sacked and i was delighted, then we announced Pardew and i was absolutely livid but after the moaning and groaning realised this is the way it's always going to be with Ashley so may as well just put up with it, hope he does a good job and get behind the players on the pitch. Pardew has actually done a far greater job then i ever imagined him to do, certainly didn't see a 5th place finish and travelling around Europe with him in charge

Not even close for me, think Haidara is far better.

Steve Bruce, Harry Redknapp, Steve Clarke and even Billy Davies are better and play a more attractive brand too. There's probably others but I can't be arsed. We didn't want Redknapp when he was linked because basically he's a bigger bullshitting cunt than Pardew. And the rest i can guarantee a big fuss would be kicked up if we employed any of them next. If Pardew does get sacked, i think a lot will be happy but i'm fairly sure Ashley will bring them back down to earth fairly soon after. I'll not moan like, i'm done with the fact cunt after he got Pardew in the first place, had his chance to upgrade and fucked up big style. He's just a fat fuck up that is lucky Carr is finding him cheap gems and Pardew is lucky he gets to work with them.

End of the day basically the majority on here want him sacked and a foreigner brought in, i say foreigner because nobody was able to name someone from these shores to replace and play this exciting football they want to see. Question still remains if he was sacked and someone was brought in who wasn't known for his pretty football, would people accept him since it's not Pardew. I'm beginning to think it's basically Pardew as a person who is hated and wanted out, this whole we play such boring football is just a smokescreen as 90 percent of the football teams in the country don't play with the style of football people on here want to see. This kind of football was accepted with Hughton but he was a nice genuine guy, whilst Pardew is bullshitting cunt.

Few weeks ago against Palace. Not many teams have managed to do that to them but we did. Palace ffs. Big deal one of the worst sides in the league. See just brushed off because it's only Palace Even though no other team has done that to them, it's still only Palace. So that's one of the smaller clubs he's beat and he can't win, then he beats Chelsea and still doesn't win the praise. Opposite ends of the scale, same result for him. Fulham battered them by 3 goals on their home turf too, Brett. So you're lying again. I was going to say them but anyone who watched that game would see we were far better than Fulham. Fulham were getting beat and looking awful then scored them two wonder goals and just collapsed, Fulham then went through the motions and killed the game, fair play. They didn't control the game like we did and look a threat throughout or have someone run rings around them like Ben Arfa did.

Few weeks ago against Palace. Not many teams have managed to do that to them but we did. Palace ffs. Big deal one of the worst sides in the league. See just brushed off because it's only Palace Even though no other team has done that to them, it's still only Palace. So that's one of the smaller clubs he's beat and he can't win, then he beats Chelsea and still doesn't win the praise. Opposite ends of the scale, same result for him.

Or when the haters accept it was their tactics he won with Relying on individual brilliance is some tactic brett. Nice deflection though. He's had some brilliant tactics this season, he's had some s*** ones, all part and parcel of being a football manager. End of the day his good or bad tactics have us in a solid league position with a nice points total 6 points off a champions league spot after the half way stage. Can go into detail and say he's beat the good teams then lost against the poor and all that but it doesn't matter who you pick points off as long as you pick them up. Suarez has scored majority of his goals against the bottom half sides, does it matter he hasn't scored agaisnt the big ones? No because he's still picked up an impressive amount of goals. So if we have an impressive points tally off the top and not the bottom, as long as the overall points tally is impressive that's the main thing. My point being when do we ever go out and actually give a team a beating really go for them by the throat and try to out play them. Few weeks ago against Palace. Not many teams have managed to do that to them but we did. I remember you shitting yourself thinking we'd be lucky to get a draw before that game Was never shitting myself, just didn't think the players would go out there and make it that easy and it would be a tough game. We were different class though. They went to the Etihad the following week and lost 1-0. Puts into context just how good we were that day.

Few weeks ago against Palace. Not many teams have managed to do that to them but we did.

you're doing that annoying thing again Brett where you tell people what their opinions are/were despite it being entirely false. I meant the general feeling over the summer after that dire season. I'd go back and find examples but you get wrong for that apparently. It's good people have finally found the vision that we don't just play hoof ball and have seen the signs of the prgression now and changed their opinion but that wasn't always the case.

Or when the haters accept it was their tactics he won with Relying on individual brilliance is some tactic brett. Nice deflection though. He's had some brilliant tactics this season, he's had some shit ones, all part and parcel of being a football manager. End of the day his good or bad tactics have us in a solid league position with a nice points total 6 points off a champions league spot after the half way stage. Can go into detail and say he's beat the good teams then lost against the poor and all that but it doesn't matter who you pick points off as long as you pick them up. Suarez has scored majority of his goals against the bottom half sides, does it matter he hasn't scored agaisnt the big ones? No because he's still picked up an impressive amount of goals. So if we have an impressive points tally off the top and not the bottom, as long as the overall points tally is impressive that's the main thing.

Or when the haters accept it was their tactics he won with

Nobody is suggesting it now you've been proved incorrect. Over the summer Pardew was hammered for it despite a few on here being adamant we were changing our ways and it wasn't a case of Pardew only knowing hoof ball.

I've never shyed away from mentioning how much of a shambles last season was but i was also 110 percent confident over the summer Pardew and the players would show themselves in much better light this season and bounce back, whilst others told me i was mental and we are shit. I liked Alex's post though tbh he should have balanced it a bit by mentioning how shit last season was under him but don't blame him for erasing that from his memory. I can't see that happening again for a long time tbh, with or without Pardew (as i typed that i started singing U2, dear me )

Where the hell do you sit? Eldon Square?

Yep That's what Brett needs to understand, it is the point we're all getting at. I understand your points but looking at in that 'attacking' sense Moyes is failing at Man Utd and failed Everton since his successor is playing better attacking football than he ever did in all the years under him. Moyes has a far greater wealth of attacking options at Man Utd but is hardly setting the world alight, like i say, attacking football is what we all want to see but for whaever reason a lot of managers struggle to implement on the pitch. Saying that though, it doesn't make them bad managers for it, they just go about getting positive results in a different less exciting manner and there's no shame in that, unless your Tony Pulis and take it too far that is.

I'm not excusing anything, i'm saying this style of football is quite clearly not as easy to be successful with when only a handful of managers in the country actually a making a name for themselves with it. Every fan wants to watch this exciting brand of football so why do the majority of managers here play ‘anti football’? Just a question, forget Pardew for a second, just think of reasons why managers refuse to implement exciting football on their side. And like i said, standard of players isn't really the best excuse when Martinez done it in the lower leagues, as did Rodgers. You are excusing it, or why say it. You're more transparent that air. No my point is it's easy to come on forum and say well let's play exciting football, as if it's so easy to do. Do you not think every manager would love to have their team playing this exciting brand of football. Would Moyes not love to see Nani and Young on either wings flying past defenders, linking up with Rooney for then RVP to finish the moves off in style. It's just not as simple as people make out. What if our next manager wasn't foreign and hadn't implemented this brand on football on his former sides, do you give his 'anti football' a chance or not? Where does the pining for this football end or do we carry on moaning till we get our foreigner?

I'm not excusing anything, i'm saying this style of football is quite clearly not as easy to be successful with when only a handful of managers in the country actually a making a name for themselves with it. Every fan wants to watch this exciting brand of football so why do the majority of managers here play ‘anti football’? Just a question, forget Pardew for a second, just think of reasons why managers refuse to implement exciting football on their side. And like i said, standard of players isn't really the best excuse when Martinez done it in the lower leagues, as did Rodgers.

Kevin Keegan Bobby Robson Thanks for that Sherlock, so your realistic answer is 0. You can't think of a single manager from the PL down to League 2 that is worthy of even a mention? This exciting brand of football that every football fan in the country wants to watch yet not one English manager is able to implement that style of play on his side and make it successful. Brendan Rodgers and Nigel Adkins without even bothering to think about it dipshit. Your knowledge of football may be comparable only to your testicles for insignificance but some of us actually watch the game. Brenden's Irish And northern ireland is part of.... Scraping the barrel and heading off to Northern Ireland for a talented manager. Nigel Adkins, fucking hell. You're really backing things up here...

Kevin Keegan Bobby Robson Thanks for that Sherlock, so your realistic answer is 0. You can't think of a single manager from the PL down to League 2 that is worthy of even a mention? This exciting brand of football that every football fan in the country wants to watch yet not one English manager is able to implement that style of play on his side and make it successful. Redknapp? He the manager of that QPR side who got relegated, then have went on to score 26 goals in 24 games in the championship? If so, no definitely not. Wouldn't say they've been playing exciting football even though his squad is a class above most in that division to begin with...anyone else?

Kevin Keegan Bobby Robson Thanks for that Sherlock, so your realistic answer is 0. You can't think of a single manager from the PL down to League 2 that is worthy of even a mention? This exciting brand of football that every football fan in the country wants to watch yet not one English manager is able to implement that style of play on his side and make it successful.