Jack Flash

If Mike was to die or stop posting, Stu would definitely take his funniest poster crown.

Exactly Cabaye Santon Cisse Ba Tiote Ben Arfa If they were all English we would have probably paid that much for one of them http://i47.tinypic.com/1zf0ozm.jpg

Saying "How much do you want?" at the first meeting is stupid. "We want €7million" "Is €4million OK?" "What?" We bid low, they reject it, we bid a bit higher, they act accordingly. We either meet in the middle or we don't.

We have 3 Liverpool fans on here?

http://www.nufc.co.uk/page/Match/Report/ReservesReport/0,,10278~2854269,00.html No name though.

Debuchy, Douglas and Anita? It's always "we did this" and "we did that" with Pardew isn't it?

Could be worse... http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web05/2011/2/1/6/vigorous-bra-undoing-medical-for-new-35-million-p-5817-1296559111-21.jpg

Told Tiote to join us didn't he? Or something similar.

Fulham without Dempsey isn't as big a draw as Fulham with him.

"Honestly, I hate him."

Let's not reinvent history. He has been, at most, average for most of his time here. He should really have been sold a long time ago.

You're having to make a lot of excuses for his "dip in form". You should ask yourself why.

Of which he started how many? You're ignoring the entire argument put towards you, pointless discussion anyway. Going over your head mostly. The entire argument WAS that Carroll hasn't proved he's as good as the nostalgia hunters think. Picking out the odd game he scored in changes nothing. 4 goals in 21 starts. Embarrassing record for a striker an an embarrassing stat to be basing your "argument" on too. Best got 4 in 16 starts

There's a lot of cherry picking of games when defending Carroll it seems. You can't write it off an entire season when he played in 35 out of 38 games. To bring it back onto whatever is left of the topic, Hoilett scored more league goals last season in a team that got relegated than Carroll has for Liverpool.

He scored 2 goals since March, both in 1 game tbf. 4 league goals in 35 games the next season.

More down to form? Form isnt a magical thing that suddenly improves a players ability tenfold, it happens when a player is reaching his capabilities consistantly. Makes no sense. Form is exactly that. He scored a fair few in the Championship against poor teams and took that confidence into the Premiership. The fact that he almost instantly looked a much worse player when he left tells the story.

His "wonder year" was seemingly more down to form and massive confidence than talent. You don't just switch off talent for 18 months. We're seeing the real Carroll now. Grant Holt has scored nearly as many in the Premier League than Carroll btw.

Damage control. He's very quickly realising he's not at little old Swansea anymore.

If you can't be bothered to look...

How much was Moses worth in November when he hadn't scored in a year?

Why are people shocked that we've bid "low"? We always do.

Forgot about the 2 D-Ben's Over £30 million on them alone.

At the moment, he's a big asset to a lower-to-mid table Premiership team, because although he's not that versatile, he is guaranteed to cause defences a certain amount of trouble. If your aim is survival or consolidation (as was the case with us when we came up), then he's your man. For teams who are aiming to win things, his movement doesn't look good enough for the kind of intricate interpassing and swapping of positions that teams like that use to open up defences. And they're the clubs who pay big wages and transfer fees. He's yet to prove that he can make that jump. Liverpool thought he could and have now changed their minds. None of the mega-clubs seem to think he's ready. Ashley, the arch-gambler, seems willing to take the chance. He could be proved right of course. Me, I'd go for Hoilett. He's not worth 15 million because he's not good enough to play in a side that can afford £15 million. Stop embarassing yourselves please. He's 23, an important player for your national team and he was valued at considerably more than 15 million by several clubs at the top end of the table only 18 months ago. He IS 23. That much is true. He's not an important player for England and many rubbish English players are valued very highly based on very little. You're getting nowhere with your crusade tbh. Spurs bid 25 million for him, and Liverpool got him for 35 million a mere 18 months ago. Those are the facts, like it or lump it. His value has undeniably dropped since then, but to say he will never again be valued at anything over 15 million or play for a team in the top half of the table is just shortsighted. I'm not on a crusade btw. I'd be exstatic if we manage to unearth another Cisse don't get me wrong, but the fact we've been priced out of a move for a relatively unproven prospect like Luuk de Jong should tell you those bargains aren't as easy to find as some suggest. Should I even bother listing the Milner, Downing, Henderson etc examples of hugely inflated valuations for English players? More was added to Carroll because they were desperate and we massively took advantage of that. If he wasn't English we'd get him for his true value, which is under £10million.

At the moment, he's a big asset to a lower-to-mid table Premiership team, because although he's not that versatile, he is guaranteed to cause defences a certain amount of trouble. If your aim is survival or consolidation (as was the case with us when we came up), then he's your man. For teams who are aiming to win things, his movement doesn't look good enough for the kind of intricate interpassing and swapping of positions that teams like that use to open up defences. And they're the clubs who pay big wages and transfer fees. He's yet to prove that he can make that jump. Liverpool thought he could and have now changed their minds. None of the mega-clubs seem to think he's ready. Ashley, the arch-gambler, seems willing to take the chance. He could be proved right of course. Me, I'd go for Hoilett. He's not worth 15 million because he's not good enough to play in a side that can afford £15 million. Stop embarassing yourselves please. He's 23, an important player for your national team and he was valued at considerably more than 15 million by several clubs at the top end of the table only 18 months ago. He IS 23. That much is true. He's not an important player for England and many rubbish English players are valued very highly based on very little. You're getting nowhere with your crusade tbh.

No. Carroll is back to the player he was before his "wonder year". There's very little to suggest otherwise. Before his wonder year as you call it, he was what, 19 and getting the odd game in the cups, like Vuckic and Abeid last season? Do you seriously want to compare the striker that got on and nearly changed the FA Cup final for his team and who subsequently went to the Euros and did well enough in his time on the pitch to that stage of his development? Really? Cherry pick the odd game if you want but he's looked completely average since he left us. There's nothing to suggest he can just pick up where he left off. Is it a requirement that players we're after must have recently set the world alight? As oldtype pointed out, it seems to be a specific tactic employed by NUFC at the moment to take on players who've proven they can do it at this level before but have gone slightly astray in recent times, like Ben Ara for example. The fact he's done it before makes it more likely that he migth do it again, rather than a completely unproven youngster from a smaller league, wouldn't you agree? We're doing fine as we are in the transfer market and on the pitch so why risk all that to bring in someone who hasn't played well in 18 months just because he's available? I'd still say Carroll is unproven btw. 6 good months in the Premiership doesn't mean anything if he's average, at best, for the 18 months after it.