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Monkey see monkey do, yet it's the 12 year olds who get banned. Bit unfair like they're just kids a good clip would've done the trick

Di Canios alright

didnt want to get on that either way, canny goal

I blame you for this was about to cover on the draw at 5.00 anarrrll bugger, I always tell myself to do that before a game but when it comes to it I just get greedy and convince myself they wont score

corinthians looking a bit shaky, inplay on botafogo could be worth it if it drifts a little more

Bahia v CRICIUMA @ 4.50 Goias v CRUZEIRO @ 2.05 Nautico v GREMIO @ 1.80

fucking dempsey missing a pelanty pleased to see the back of these internationals

few reasons why I'd avoid france France last 5 D2 L3, last competitive game belarus lost was against spain, the french all hate each other, it's not '98

Bolivia v ECUADOR @ 2.10 Ecuador won past eight head to heads

USA Mexico Over 2.5 @ 2.45. looks good value

Anything for the USA game? Thinking both teams to score and/or usa over 1.5

Got on over 1.5 first half goals at 2.62 as well

Atrocious night for me. Thinking of piling some on Chile later tonight, 20 of the Venezuela squad hit with a virus. Chile -1.5 @ 2.05 seems good value

even better also got on Holland team goals Over 2.5, and Kazakhstan/GermanyAustriaBTTS double - kazaks bringing it in already

Zlatan anytime against Ireland at 2.05. Think that's fantastic odds, he said recently he's going for all time top scorer for Sweden and only 5 off that atm, plus he got a hattrick last time out. Tempted by the England -3 but as above, can see us sitting back a little

There are two different scenarios of foreigners here. One is that English youngsters are being replaced by foreign youngsters, the other is that English youngsters are being replaced by foreign players (at peak age for example). The first is very simple. They simply are not good enough and changes are needed at grass roots level. Forcing clubs to play them will just reduce the quality of the league. They should be sold to, or loaned to, clubs further down the ladder to gain first team experience. The other is common sense really. Mature players are better than young players on the whole. They still require first team experience, but no club will play any youngster over a quality player at peak age, with some special exceptions. Again should be loaned out. No club should be forced to play any player simply because of their nationality. If our youngsters are not good enough to compete with foreign youngsters then it shows a serious issue with grass roots football in this country. That does not contradict my statement. I agree with you that giving them first team experience will improve those players, but it will not improve the quality of players that we as a country produce. You have to ask why is it so easy to replace our kids with foreign kids? Simply put its because as a nation we do not produce footballers of high quality in big enough numbers.

That's just not true though is it, realistically? If you're a youth player on Chelsea's books, you've got to be one of the world's greatest young players to get so much as a place on the bench in the League Cup. By the time you're 21, you've simply not played enough first team football to keep up with your peers in other countries who've been playing senior football for years. Well it is true, but mainly because of my ambiguous sentence structure I see your point though but if they are truly good then it is in the clubs best interest, and also the players naturally, to be playing regular first team football. Be this a loan or a transfer to a lower club. There's no agenda against English players. If we have a whole generation of English players who are inferior to, let's say, Spanish players then why should the English players get priority at club level? The English players will have to settle for playing further down the table(s). By forcing clubs to play English players then you aren't increasing the quality of English produce, just reducing the quality of the premiership. The problem is at the root of it.

Clubs aren't to blame here. Putting any kind of limit on foreigners or encouraging clubs to choose English players artificially will only decrease the quality of the premier league. Nobody wins here except the already mediocre English players - the team will not improve in quality. If the English players are good enough then they will be starring in top premier league teams, and they do, it's just there aren't enough. So it's on the FA to improve grass roots level, not the clubs.

At least our mike is on form tonight, some great posts here

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Just pictured him faking a French accent as he calls Mike Ashley to put on the bid. he slipped out of character and almost gave the game away oright arsen son how about 20m? nah, no way, naah

no I prefer how it is now you see who really cares, or at least wants us to think that , and whos a bit of a dick

i'm not necessarily against that but would it lead to others doing the same thing and in the end the sponsors not bothering (not too bad a thing) or paying the players directly to "persuade" them which means more money leaving the game to the players. What if the club lets players choose their sponsors, every player. give players a % cut based on the deal to discourage any excessive brown paper enveloping might be a bit of hassle for the club if they have to manage it mind. (I doubt we'd adopt this but I mean more generally across the board)

or kneel on the floor and put his face down, hiding the sponsor. bit daft but it might work