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So you think playing in the premier league has no pull?! Not having that. Even if it isn't the best one as many claim, it's certainly the most popular. I kow that as a fact for Africans in particular. Think that has more to do with it than the club's themelves. I think all things being equal Payet and Ayew would both rather play for Marseille than West Ham or Swansea. Ayew probably hadn't heard of Swansea a few years ago

I'd take my 50k a week, thanks. Then at 35 will spend a few years in the states taking the piss in their league for another 50k a week. Then after that will get a job working with some youth academy for what £50k a year? What a hard knock life. I'd take that over £150k from China so that at 35 I don't have to do anything else, but sit on my arse. Goodness sake. Every person in the world in not having the exact same goals in life shocker

What is the actual point in someone in their late twenties playing for a midtable team in a good league in Europe in a club they have no attachment to, rather than going to China, apart from trying to impress their national team manager? Neither are very ambitious moves. Andre Ayew or Payet don't go to Swansea or West Ham because they have a better chance of winning stuff there, they go because they get to earn way more money at far less prestigious clubs than they were at, the exact same thing that's happening here

Of what - playing for West Ham? Even Liverpool as a Brazilian? It's not like you've turned down the opportunity to work for NASA to work for FarmVille. These players don't care about these PL teams or the league man. Whether you're a fan, a player or a manager the game is about striving to be the best you can be and playing at the highest level possible, something you will never understand giving you were lording it up over people on here when we shifted Pardew saying it didn't look such a good idea when we'd been miserably treading water for 2 seasons or more. You don't have a clue about football, you're exactly the type of person I'm disappointed that the game has attracted in recent years as it's not actually all about money at all, it's about being ambitious and allowing fans to dream. Anyway, go away. I'd agree with you if it was promising 21 year olds going to China but in this case I think TCD is correct

They'll obviously make do on what they earn but what's the point in making do spending your career at some midtable team in a foreign country that you have no attachment to when you can live in luxury for the rest of your life after spending a few years in your late twenties and thirties in China earning loads.

The majority of them stop earning totally at 35. The difference between 2m and 8m is huge when it comes to your children and grandchildren Well I completely disagree, given that I'm a normal person on a relatively normal wage and realise that £2m a year is a mad amount to stack up over 10 to 15 years and is more than enough to be very wealthy for pretty much as long as you like. They can't even spend it all on sniffing coke out of strippers' arse cracks ffs, the argument holds no water. The majority of even good footballers don't get near 2m a year after tax for 10 to 15 years though. The players going to China are Africans or Brazilians mostly who will have earned relatively little to the big stars for most of their careers

Aye makes absolutely no sense in this instance

The majority of them stop earning totally at 35. The difference between 2m and 8m is huge when it comes to your children and grandchildren

The Champions League is playoffs

It's just a further barrier to competitiveness

Worst idea I've ever heard

This West Ham move was probably the first of Payet's career where he was earning absolutely loads and at 29 I can see why he would want to take the big wages of China for a few years just to make himself more secure financially because the chances are he'll never earn another cent after retiring at 34 or 35 with about 50 years of his life to go

Was amazed when I read that Dummett has been our fastest this season: http://talksport.com/football/revealed-top-six-fastest-players-premier-league-including-liverpool-and-manchester-united The stats are usually meaningless for this, crap defenders always find an extra 3MPH of 'OH SHIT' speed when they need to backtrack when out of position. It makes sense that a defender would have the highest speed recorded as the only time you would be sprinting flat out for a decent period of time is a defender running towards their own goal after making a mistake

And a seven game winless streak

Full article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/everton/12145449/Roberto-Martinez-hails-Evertons-sensational-Tom-Cleverley.html I hate him

He doesn't even say anything bad in the interviews he gives. He generally just says that he hopes to play in the Champions League in the future but is happy to stay

Absolutely agree with this. Top, top football managers should be able to walk into a team like Liverpool and lift them up - especially this season fgs, Leicester (LEICESTER) are top of the league It might not be "Klopp's team" but they have a much better squad than Leicester and are absolutely underperforming. His team selections and tactics have been very questionable so far. It would take an absolutely terrible manager to crash and burn with Dortmund in the Bundesliga, as that league has very poor competition in it. Dortmund were just coming back from being bankrupt a few years before when Klopp took over ffs. He built that club up to where they were and are now. He was unbelievable at Dortmund ffs Dortmund were still a decent club when he took over - they finished 13th the year before he took over, which was classed as a "disaster". Klopp built a good team at Dortmund and had some great seasons with them, but the standard of football in Germany is pretty poor and outside of Wolfsburg, Bayern and Dortmund the quality is absolutely dire. He started well with Mainz and took them up to great heights for them but nobody mentions how horrifically bad he was at the end of his career with Mainz though do they? He got them relegated and then failed to bring them back up and looked absolutely clueless in his latter time with them. Klopp is a good manager, not a great manager - his hype is down to his likeable personality rather than his actual credentials. They got to the Champions League final taking Real Madrid apart on the way, it wasn't like they only beat shit smaller teams

They'd probably be better off with Flamini off anyway the shit cunt

Absolutely agree with this. Top, top football managers should be able to walk into a team like Liverpool and lift them up - especially this season fgs, Leicester (LEICESTER) are top of the league It might not be "Klopp's team" but they have a much better squad than Leicester and are absolutely underperforming. His team selections and tactics have been very questionable so far. It would take an absolutely terrible manager to crash and burn with Dortmund in the Bundesliga, as that league has very poor competition in it. Dortmund were just coming back from being bankrupt a few years before when Klopp took over ffs. He built that club up to where they were and are now. He was unbelievable at Dortmund ffs

The option of just not going probably wouldn't work with Liverpool either given the size of their fanbase and relatively small stadium for the size of the club

Think there's a massive overreaction to his display like. Any defender in the World would have looked good up against West Brom yesterday

Honestly hope you do. Your WUM patter is boring as f***. Righto. Having a different opinion to people = wind up. t***. He has been utter s**** for so long, but its ok guys he runs very fast at defenders then can't do f*** all with it. He's way out in front of everyone else in the side for chances created. In those terms, he's one of our most productive offensive players. From Squawka (top 5): 1. Sissoko - 46 2. Wijnaldum - 34 3. Perez - 27 4. Janmaat - 19 5. Mitrovic - 14 Anyone who watches the game should see that he creates loads. Good amount from Perez as well there given his reduced game time

As I said when he was on the verge of being sold, he's better than Colback and Anita and should stay until the summer at least

That's if he scores every chance. He gets about one good chance a game over the last 10 or so games. A bigger problem rather than his finishing, which may come in the future is that he doesn't attack the ball in the box when we get down the line. The amount of crosses we got in good areas yesterday with nobody to attack them was amazing. This may be a confidence thing but even after he scored the goal yesterday he wasn't attacking the ball Hopefully that will come - to be fair we've not been creating many chances for him but the likes of Shelvey/Townsend should address that so once they get an understanding he'll start attacking the box more. Aye hopefully it will come. I've been critical of his finishing lately but his all round play is really good to be fair. He's become a lot better at holding up the ball when we get it up to him over the last month or so. I would like to see him with more of a poacher type striker like Doumbia alongside him as I think him and Perez are both more comfortable outside the box rather than scoring

Charnley rather than Ashley. We really need to get a skilled negotiator in as a director of football