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10 minutes ago, gdm said:

 
Chelsea are a basket case but they have signed some good players. It’s up in the air how they’ll be but the fact Chelsea are only one u could pick up it proves my point. People always make the point that we’ll be fine next season referring back to last season and the injuries but completely ignore the fact other teams have strengthened from last season 

Eh? I mentioned Chelsea, Liverpool and Villa in my post  

6 minutes ago, gdm said:

I love when people say this and totally disregard the injuries other teams had last season and also the fact every other team is building and improving their squads. Man Utd, Chelsea (at an insane level) West Ham, Spurs & Brighton have all improved their squads massively 

How on earth you can say Chelsea have improved when they've arguably worsened their manager and become even more of a trainwreck than last season is beyond me. There's an argument that Liverpool, Villa and Chelsea will be worse off even if Man U, Spurs and Brighton improve.

8 minutes ago, Ikon said:

Easy to say. But it depends on injuries. Guehi added makes a big difference to the overall quality/depth. How it makes us much less vulnerable in this area if we suffer injuries at CB. Even more than we already have there. Also takes us up a level. Not just defensively but also in the build up when in possession. 

 

 

 

Even with zero signings we have added a top class CM (Tonali), have at least 6 less European fixtures to deal with and would have to be insanely unlucky to have anywhere near the same level of injuries we had last year. I'd be shocked if we didn't finish in Europe as it stands, let alone with more signings to come in.

10 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

It felt less competitive in the 90's if I'm being honest, maybe that was just because I was a child, but you always felt Man Utd were going to win it (particularly 99-01). I think the dilution of the cup competitions has contributed to the feeling that there's fuck all for 18 teams to play for. Nobody cares about the League Cup (unless you're in it) and the FA cup is nowhere near what it was. Who won either cup the year Leicester won the league? Not a fucking clue without googling it.

To be fair I think most people couldn't tell you who won the CL the year Leicester won the league without googling it. You'd have to have a pretty good memory 

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Latest from Sky Sports News' Keith Downie:

Newcastle are undeterred by comments of Crystal Palace chairman Steve Parish and defender Marc Guehi to Sky Sports News this week. 

The England international remains the club’s number one centre-back target, and they will be trying to bring him in while the transfer window is open. 

It is understood there have been three offers made by Newcastle for the 24-year-old so far as negotiations continue over a deal.

3 hours ago, johnny36 said:

If we turned down 8.5 million for Almiron then I dont want Eales or Howe to mention PSR affecting us ever again..We had a chance to move on players (Trippier in Jan) and now Almiron and refused both..Cant have it both ways

This makes literally no sense. He is worth a lot more than £8.5 million and selling off players for way under market value in no way helps us for PSR purposes.

7 minutes ago, midds said:

I don't believe they were offering a million quid? I never even mentioned a replacement? 

 

Not really sure what you're getting at tbh

You know exactly what he is getting it. Selling him at an undervalue helps noone. 

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

The goals and assists were mostly coming from the left side though, Gordon had a blinding season. If we rely on Miggy and Murphy this campaign, I can see Murphy getting a few assists and the odd goal. Miggy will provide very few assists, and not many goals as everyone has wised up that he will cut inside and try to curl one in. Other than that he's not much threat.

 

Between them they can do a job, whether that will get us into the CL might be another thing.

And given that Murphy got 7 assists and 3 goals last season despite not being a regular starter, I’m not sure why you think he’d get less this year when he’s in better form, more likely to start and playing in a better team with less injuries and less fatigue.

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

The goals and assists were mostly coming from the left side though, Gordon had a blinding season. If we rely on Miggy and Murphy this campaign, I can see Murphy getting a few assists and the odd goal. Miggy will provide very few assists, and not many goals as everyone has wised up that he will cut inside and try to curl one in. Other than that he's not much threat.

 

Between them they can do a job, whether that will get us into the CL might be another thing.

But as mentioned goals weren’t a problem last year. We’ll be more limited on the right than the left but there’s no evidence to suggest that will impact a CL push. 

5 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

The more I think about this the more I think the situation with our RW is nowhere near as bad as is being made out. Yes, we could do with an upgrade and I believe that an elite would transform us, however, it's not as if we're sticking Michael Bridges or Fabrice Pancrate out there, is it? Both Murphy and Miggy are serviceable (to an extent) and are likely to put in a handful of very good performances between the two of them. And if Madueke is the potential replacement this window then I'd much rather see Mitchell etc spend another few months working on a better deal for a better player.

Agree with this. Most people are letting their frustrations with Miggy personally cloud the fact that we are already one of the best attacking teams in the league. We’ve never had any problems scoring goals, it’s the other end of the pitch that was the issue last year.

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

Don’t recall our defence being shocking. Do you not think the drop was us A losing Pope and B the reduction in our pressing game from our forwards and midfielders due to our injury situation and limited options to rotate?

We conceded 63 goals last season compared to 33 the season before. Almost double. It was quite clearly a big issue that needs solving by adding depth.

5 hours ago, rebelrouser said:

What? How does Guehi stepping in for Schar or sitting on the bench mean more for the club than updating a low goal scoring and old rw? I feel better about Burn/Schar than MIggy/Murphy. 

Because our attack was absolutely fine last season while our defence was shocking? Weren’t we the third highest scorers in the league?

7 hours ago, gdm said:

Not really meaning this deal. I mean the whole window. Selling Anderson and Minteh, signing a free transfer, a raw kid striker albeit with potential and the whole bizzare goalkeeper situation. We’ve still got everyone of the players we want shot of even Ryan Fraser and now there’s talk of keeping Almiron and not getting the RW we’ve been told all summer was ‘our priority’ 

 

Personally I think Guehi will sign next week and it’ll be a great signing but the window has been as underwhelming as it gets in my opinion 

 

 

 

We can’t force clubs to sign our players man  I’m genuinely intrigued as to what people expect us to do when it comes to selling these sort of players. Nobody wants them, for obvious reasons.

3 hours ago, 80 said:

Well no, the footballing authorities are responsible for PSR, and shame on them. Every boring thread on this forum is ultimately their fault.

 

But operating within that, he's had a yes/no choice on helping the club and being given tonnes of money for the privilege - beyond his value as a footballer - and chose no.

 

Bosman transfers are a knife in the heart of football clubs nowadays. That goes for Lloyd Kelly, Tosin Adarabioyo and anyone else, by the way. I don't expect Miggy to fully understand that, in fairness to him.

 

That all said, we clearly made a big mistake giving him a new contract instead of selling him after his hot streak season, so that is on NUFC. Have to admit at the time I imagined there would be a gentleman's agreement about him moving on before it ended, though.

 

 

 

This is such a mental viewpoint. Maybe his family are happy living here? If your job asked you to move to Saudi but your kids were settled and happy in school would you? It’s a job ffs he doesn’t give a shit if his decision means the fans don’t get a shiny new signing. 

58 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

Oba Martins, Rondon, Viduka and N'Zogbia come to mind. 

 

First 3 were key players for us in that era and never really get talked about, the latter was just never allowed to shine but was clearly excellent. 

 

Also rated Marveaux tbh, definitely thought there was a top player in there although never really got chance to show it.

 

 

 

 

Viduka  Was absolutely dreadful until that 7 game purple patch under Keegan. Then never played regularly again. 

Sibierski

David Edgar

Leon Best

44 minutes ago, OverThere said:

Friendly so whatever but if Isak gets injured we are in the same situation as last year. Wilson is completely unreliable.

Well yes, that's why we're literally about to sign a third choice striker 

35 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Sometimes I feel NUFC are too perfectionist and trying to get the perfect player when all they need is an improvement across the board.

You can't raise the ceiling with every signing. For example for RCB, that Hujisen that Bournemouth signed, it was 12.8m. No brainer for a 19 year old with the same passing range profile as Schar. Schar can still be first choice and Hujisen can be back up. Milenkovic at Forest would be another in the same price range. Would have solved the position, with Botman due to come back as well as Lascelles, and Kelly and Burn who can slot in too. We would have 3 RCB and 3 LCB. Job done with little damage done after Tosin fell through.

 

For the RW, literally Chiesa is available for 25M. Even if thats another 10m committed in wages,  it makes sense, especially if we get rid of Almiron for that amount. I do understand he would expect to start so maybe he is not quite right. Matias Soule was also available for that amount, as a back up RW,  sure. Chiesa and Soule for 50M would sort out that RW for less than the price of Olise. 

If you want to go big, a Kubo (and all the additional income he would bring) would be available for the Olise money. 

For back up striker, Ben Bereton Diaz was a good third choice, we could even keep Wilson as No. 2. 

That would have sorted out the entire window for us, and probably even left enough money for a James Trafford. 

Why do people keep mentioning Chiesa as a no brainer when he's exactly the opposite. Injury prone, in poor form, huge wages and has never played outside of Italy. It's such a lazy suggestion based on his name and nothing else.

17 minutes ago, Max Cherry said:

I'm just frustrated watching the likes of Villa and Man Utd strengthen, who are our direct rivals. 

 

Cheers for the condescending reply though 

 

Don’t spit your dummy out when we’re still in July and you won’t get condescending replies 

2 hours ago, Keegans Export said:

 

 

Pope, Dubravka, Greek bloke, Ruddy, Gillespie 

Trippier, Tino, Krafth, Schar, Lascelles, Botman, Burn, Kelly, Hall, Targett 

Bruno, Joelinton, Tonali, Willock, Longstaff

Almiron, Murphy, Gordon, Barnes

Isak, Wilson

 

We've got a 26 man squad there, 25 if Hall doesn't have to be registered which I'm not sure about. We've also still got Lewis, Hayden and Fraser on the books. If we want to add two or three players we're going to have to shift players, at least one of them will be someone Howe would ideally like to keep and I'm sure he understands that as well as anyone.

Ruddy isn’t going to be registered in the squad like. 

41 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

The delays are understandable due to the changes. It’s far from ideal but the transfer window is very much ‘alls well that ends well’. 
 

I’m blaming Staveley and co. for a lot of this. Which is the kindest thing I can do to the club.  They’re gone now.  Professionals in place. I trust them to get it right. 

Blaming them for what exactly? There's over a month left of the transfer window ffs 

2 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

Olmo is not a forward.

He can and does play RW.

Dani Olmo would be perfect for us. Imagine we announce him out the blue in the next couple of weeks... Probably completely out of our league sadly.

22 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said:

 

Whilst I'd agree in theory, I still feel like we have some 'floor raising' to do. It's great having a £50-£70m player in each position, the problem we still have is what happens when one has to drop out due injury? Our depth is gradually getting better, but it's still not at the level of other clubs in the top 6. 

I mean that's literally what we've been doing already by signing the likes of Kelly.

8 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

 

He'd already left Napoli when the Italy job came up though (after Mancini went to Saudi). It wasn't like he left the job for the Italy one directly.

 

I think the point that managers very rarely leave club jobs following an international approach. I can't even think of any examples tbh.

 

 

 

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