Bimpy474

To me he's offside whether Lovren touches it or not. He was offside for the whole of that period from the original through ball. Correct, Lovren's touch is irrelevant as the ball went forward toward Kane who was offside from that initial ball. There were no other phases of play for Kane to be onside, which he never was at any time anyhoo. Wrong. If it had deflected off Lovren it would have been offside but because he played the ball (badly) it is offside. See the laws of the game: "A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage." That is offside every single time. The ball is played toward Kane, he's offside from the initial pass, and stays so no matter how it gets to him, and who it touches. If there was a second phase of pay then fine, where the ball goes back toward the Tottenham goal and back toward Kane off a Liverpool maybe, you could argue, which i would argue is still offside but there wasn't. It's interpretation of the laws and they're interpreting them wrong, any person with eyes can see that.

Confused me massively this has. I thought it was offside, but Sky and Dermot seem to think that because Lovren touched the ball, this is then a new phase of play meaning that Kane is onside. But Lovren only had to touch the ball because he was aware that Kane was behind him, so he was interfering with play in the first phase. I don’t understand why that isn’t the case. Which is utter crap, and completely mental to even think it was onside. In the future we should just stand Gayle on the edge of the oppo's box and hope a defender try to touch the ball as we smash it up to him, nonsense from Sky and Dermot that like.

To me he's offside whether Lovren touches it or not. He was offside for the whole of that period from the original through ball. Correct, Lovren's touch is irrelevant as the ball went forward toward Kane who was offside from that initial ball. There were no other phases of play for Kane to be onside, which he never was at any time anyhoo.

What a game

Wahey

Offside and a possible dive, and saved

Wow.

Good for you, i like a decisive man.

Yet another Alli dive, hmm.

Your first sentence contradicts itself. You answer yourself by explaining the squads are inherently different. Point nullified, it's f*** all like Pardew. We'd have gone there, Zaha would destroy us, Pards would praise him and bemoan the lack of luck in our 4-0 defeat whilst trying to flog kenedy despite him being on loan. Erm no, one explains why Rafa's team ends up hoofing when under pressure. Unlike Pardew who hoofed it by design. And the rest of your posts reads as if i'm sticking up for Pardew, which i'm not. In fact i'm one of the first of us to hate his guts, and saw through him a bit before most. While i do describe Rafa's football as a bit boring, you give him a proper forward, a proper 10 and better overlapping full backs and that'll change. He's done brilliantly to have us out of the bottom three as it is, give him better players and everything changes, style, thinking, the football itself becomes altogether different. Probably a good idea to actually read it properly, or not as is your preference.

Your first sentence contradicts itself. You answer yourself by explaining the squads are inherently different. Point nullified, it's fuck all like Pardew. We'd have gone there, Zaha would destroy us, Pards would praise him and bemoan the lack of luck in our 4-0 defeat whilst trying to flog kenedy despite him being on loan. Erm no, one explains why Rafa's team ends up hoofing when under pressure. Unlike Pardew who hoofed it by design. And the rest of your posts reads as if i'm sticking up for Pardew, which i'm not. In fact i'm one of the first of us to hate his guts, and saw through him a bit before most. While i do describe Rafa's football as a bit boring, you give him a proper forward, a proper 10 and better overlapping full backs and that'll change. He's done brilliantly to have us out of the bottom three as it is, give him better players and everything changes, style, thinking, the football itself becomes altogether different.

I'd say that 2nd half was as bad as anything Pardew served up, the one thing forgotten about that though, would be Pardew had a far superior team and had no need to play such shite football, as he could have had a out ball, something we need badly now. Today it was clear we lacked a player to hold the ball up/turn the oppo round. Hopefully Slimani can be that player, he can run in behind as well as hold it which is perfect for Rafa's one up. Perez and Gayle were so weak the ball just came back over and over.

The Burnley one was point blank, he did well to even get a hand to it, it was a class save he just got unbelievably unlucky imo. Obviously it was a reaction, but a better keeper beats that away rather than flap it onto the bar You've got be fucking kidding right ?

How about our last 5 games or so against the bottom half ?

Oh yeah

It is a penalty but as you say we never get them and should have had two in this game, and you very rarely see them given in other games. Still doesn't change the fact it was a penalty like.

Need another angle, looks like it came of Sane so it could have been off. Might need another trip to vision express I'd only had one quick look, just seen it again, clearly off Dier. Thanks for the advice, I'll follow that.

Need another angle, looks like it came of Sane so it could have been off.

Very good point, they certainly did.

Utterly biased, Souness spouting his nonsense beforehand says it all.

Aye, if the Liverpool v Tottenham game had been the early kick off they would never have cut to our game like this.

I think we've failed to beat Swansea, Brighton, Palace and Burnley in our last few fixtures, you go down if carry on like that, we have to beat teams around us, discounting Burnely who aren't really. Posts like this are getting a bit silly imo. Our last two results are above standard. Palace have beaten Burnley, Southampton, Leicester, watford & Drawn with Man City, Bournemouth, West Ham & Swansea in their last 10 games. The only side they have lost to is Arsenal twice. We've got one point from the top 6 is it ? We're now not beating teams around us, as Palace are, we would have gone above them had we won despite their good recent form. Silly it might be but the brutal truth is, if that continues we go down.

Vars would stop the pulling of shirts you would think.

Did utterly fuck all, ok not scoring but in general play he is completely useless.

I think we've failed to beat Swansea, Brighton, Palace and Burnley in our last few fixtures, you go down if you carry on like that, we have to beat teams around us, discounting Burnely who aren't really.