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Aye, its the worst argument of all time. Awful. Not really the worst is it though If you think the takeover should not be allowed to go through on moral grounds (which btw is a stance anyone is entitled to and it's understandable) but then you happily view/consume content/products in which they also have investments it's hypocrisy, now some people are comfortable being selective and again that's their prerogative but the hypocrisy can be called out No it is not hypocrisy at all. These things are not comparable. I have to put petrol in my car, and even if i didn't I get the bus, so that consumes petrol. I have to get home from town, so I use an uber. There are things that you use in a society because you have to. The argument that I should quit using uber is ridiculous. If we applied that logic unilaterally, nobody could disagree with anything. Hate capitalism mate, well you've got an iphone! Check mate! It is hypocrisy. Using petrol is a personal choice. If you truly did want to take a stance against the regime you could, you just choose not to because it would be inconvinient for you to do so. You cant rationalise an issue to suit your personal lifestyle choices. Want to take a stance against Saudi - boycott all things that funds them. You wont because it would be inconvinient for you to do so and that unfortunately is not a valid argument at all. The fact that society is already dependant on that product should not cloud the fact that that is the case. I can't understand an argument which suggests that supporting a sports club owned by the Saudis is objectively worse than using a product which directly funds that very same regime. It makes no sense. As for the Capitilism comment, well that falls short in the sense that saying you hate Capitilam is totally different to actually taking a stance agaisnt it. There are people who do take a stance against Capitilism and live self sufficiently. It's a tried and tested method.

Probably none. Hard to say as others have mentioned we play a system that suits them. Maybe Schar and Lejeune could get in as backups. That’s not the point though, we will be limited by ffp. If a time comes when cb is our weakest position, we can go out and get one. This is it, with FFP we will be limited as to what we can spend, the logical thing is to focus on your weakest areas and that is not at centre back Think the FFP talk is a bit of a red herring. £150m is the figure being banded around and the doesnt take sales into account. Furthermore, the rules are likely to be relaxed and there will be alot more value in the market due to the current climate. There is a huge amount going in our favour here. Maybe it's the Ashley effect but does the £150m include wages? I don't think we'll generate that much from sales but let's say that becomes £180m to spend, I still think other areas of the squad are a priority that CB should be left until all of those are sorted Whilst I like our set of CB's if we want to kick on there is always better, it's just a matter of focusing on the priority (central midfield, striker, full backs) It probably does aye, but like I say i dont that figure wouldnt be reflective of the real figure which I think would be much higher in light of the current environment. I'm gonna wait until the takeovers confirmed before I start playing fantasy football though.

Probably none. Hard to say as others have mentioned we play a system that suits them. Maybe Schar and Lejeune could get in as backups. That’s not the point though, we will be limited by ffp. If a time comes when cb is our weakest position, we can go out and get one. This is it, with FFP we will be limited as to what we can spend, the logical thing is to focus on your weakest areas and that is not at centre back Think the FFP talk is a bit of a red herring. £150m is the figure being banded around and the doesnt take sales into account. Furthermore, the rules are likely to be relaxed and there will be alot more value in the market due to the current climate. There is a huge amount going in our favour here. I'm with you - it really does seem to be a perfect storm for someone who wanted to bootstrap their club to the next level. Between clubs desperate for cashflow, a league desperate for transfer fees to wash around and players afraid the good times might be coming to an end - I think there's the prospect of player turnover well in excess of what many expect Yep! Football's desperate for investment now more than ever. That shortfall in revenue needs recouping somehow, so capping it with FFP makes no sense at all on any levels. Should this takeover go through, this could be an unprecedented summer transfer window as we'd be one of only a handful of clubs who would have the means and resources to take advantage of it. Having said all that, I'd prefer it if we'd build slowly but I'm not gonna complain either way.

Probably none. Hard to say as others have mentioned we play a system that suits them. Maybe Schar and Lejeune could get in as backups. That’s not the point though, we will be limited by ffp. If a time comes when cb is our weakest position, we can go out and get one. This is it, with FFP we will be limited as to what we can spend, the logical thing is to focus on your weakest areas and that is not at centre back Think the FFP talk is a bit of a red herring. £150m is the figure being banded around and the doesnt take sales into account. Furthermore, the rules are likely to be relaxed and there will be alot more value in the market due to the current climate. There is a huge amount going in our favour here.

He really would, but I've got to say, I'm becoming more open to all the managers we've been linked with so far. I haven't felt that way since Sir Bobby got sacked.

Anyone else notice how we've been linked with players who all seem to have some kind of tie to Rafa, or is that wishful thinking? We've been linked with a fair few players who seemed to be targets during or just after Rafa's time here too.

Steve Wraith totally missing the point in spectacular fashion. Utter embarrassment.

It would be more Newcastle United to announce the sale was off on a weekend when people least expect it. This. The most Newcastle United thing would be for Ashley to announce he is staying. Leaving us all looking like the biggest fools in world football. The only way he is staying is if the Premier League knock the takeover back or if the remaining amount is not paid into his account. He would be facing a massive lawsuit if he 'announced' he is staying when a legal agreement is in place. OK I'll entertain you..show me actual evidence that a legal agreement for the sale is in place that he can't back out of. The document uploaded to companies house does not prove a sale is agreed with no way for him to back out. We are led to believe he can't back out by the same press that has led us to believe he has been about to sell for 12 years. But I haven't seen irrefutable proof of this, and neither have you. What proof can we possibly provide? The actual SPA documentation showing Mike Ashley cannot pull out? Russel's teapot here - the burden of proof is on you. After failed takeover after failed takeover, it would be reasonable to wait for irrefutable proof before declaring that we are sold. I also haven't stated that there Ashley can back out, just that it would be sensible to wait and see how this all plays out. It's Godzilla who is convinced of something he can't prove...reminds me of BZG last year now come to think of it. The fact is none of us know whether it's legally binding for Ashley to be forced to sell or not. But oh no... Yes, and I'm asking what proof do you want? The PL have already confirmed that this is being reviewed by them, so we now know an SPA has been agreed - it would not get to the PL had this not been in place. That is a fact. What are you implying with that in bold then? BZG didnt get to the PL stage. The PL openly denied it. The PL used the word "putative", so no they didn't confirm anything. Show me where the PL stated BZG didn't get to owners and directors tests? They didn't get that far, but the pl never "openly denied it". FWIW I'M not saying this isn't going to happen, just waiting for proof rather than getting carried away (as has happened repeatedly in the past). And I'm implying with the bit in bold, that we have no guarantee Ashley is locked into a sale. We are trusting Staveley's word for this (via Caulkin). I accept you don't want to hear all this, but we are not sold yet, and we don't know if Ashley can back out of the sale. Christ

It would be more Newcastle United to announce the sale was off on a weekend when people least expect it. This. The most Newcastle United thing would be for Ashley to announce he is staying. Leaving us all looking like the biggest fools in world football. The only way he is staying is if the Premier League knock the takeover back or if the remaining amount is not paid into his account. He would be facing a massive lawsuit if he 'announced' he is staying when a legal agreement is in place. OK I'll entertain you..show me actual evidence that a legal agreement for the sale is in place that he can't back out of. The document uploaded to companies house does not prove a sale is agreed with no way for him to back out. We are led to believe he can't back out by the same press that has led us to believe he has been about to sell for 12 years. But I haven't seen irrefutable proof of this, and neither have you. What proof can we possibly provide? The actual SPA documentation showing Mike Ashley cannot pull out? Russel's teapot here - the burden of proof is on you. After failed takeover after failed takeover, it would be reasonable to wait for irrefutable proof before declaring that we are sold. I also haven't stated that there Ashley can back out, just that it would be sensible to wait and see how this all plays out. It's Godzilla who is convinced of something he can't prove...reminds me of BZG last year now come to think of it. The fact is none of us know whether it's legally binding for Ashley to be forced to sell or not. But oh no... Yes, and I'm asking what proof do you want? The PL have already confirmed that this is being reviewed by them, so we now know an SPA has been agreed - it would not get to the PL had this not been in place. That is a fact. What are you implying with that in bold then? BZG didnt get to the PL stage. The PL openly denied it.

Yeh, not denying that at all. Just an example of how close we got to something that resembled a football club had he not been a total cunt.

It would be more Newcastle United to announce the sale was off on a weekend when people least expect it. This. The most Newcastle United thing would be for Ashley to announce he is staying. Leaving us all looking like the biggest fools in world football. The only way he is staying is if the Premier League knock the takeover back or if the remaining amount is not paid into his account. He would be facing a massive lawsuit if he 'announced' he is staying when a legal agreement is in place. OK I'll entertain you..show me actual evidence that a legal agreement for the sale is in place that he can't back out of. The document uploaded to companies house does not prove a sale is agreed with no way for him to back out. We are led to believe he can't back out by the same press that has led us to believe he has been about to sell for 12 years. But I haven't seen irrefutable proof of this, and neither have you. What proof can we possibly provide? The actual SPA documentation showing Mike Ashley cannot pull out? Russel's teapot here - the burden of proof is on you.

It was the Pardew years for me, because we were signing quality players (albeit for the wrong reasons) and I always thought that had someone with experiences of that model been in charge, then where would we have been if he'd actually reinvested the money rather than pocket it?

Well, yes.

Had we employed that manager who was familiar with the buy cheap sell high method, theres no reason we couldn't have done well. There are plenty of clubs who have that model, these clubs dont employ, Alan Pardew or Steve McClaren though and that was the key for me.

Massively unpopular opinion here, but one of the most frustrating aspects for me was that I actually think he was quite close to getting it right (on a footballing level). He was just too stupid to f***ing see that.

Imagine thinking that the PL would dare call the defacto ruler of one of the richest and most powerful nations, 'unfit for purpose' to own our club. He basically owns an entire country ffs

Rafa came in to save us after Steve i want him back so bad he gets it I want to know all the fans who were clamouring for Pochettino whilst Rafa was at the helm. That's where the real revisionsim is.

Rafa stayed with us in the Championship. Champions league winner Rafael Benitez gambled his career to manage us in the second tier of English football. Just over a year after managing the biggest club in the world.

My perspective goes beyond just the football club. This would be an investment in the entire region and that's worth more than a few good results. Furthermore the the level of investment here would secure our future for the rest of our history. The likes of Man City will never be in the second tier or clubs again. They're now set for life. I think you have consider how influential Klopp has been in all this. His achievement this year has totally shrouded the fact they barely spent anything the year after theyd won the champions league. I dont think a single manager in the world could have done what he's done, so when your success becomes dependant on a single individual, then is that really the ideal structure? This investment effectively puts us at the very top. I dont know how any alternative could even come close to what this particular takeover could offer.

Agreed I think going from potentially having it all to having absolutely nothing at all would be a bit too much for me. I only post on here during takeover rumours because that hope is the only thing that keeps me connected to the club. I keep an eye on results and occasionally watch us on MOTD(If I can stay awake long enough) but I'm personally putting so much into the fact this particular takeover would potential put us into the absolute top tier of clubs for the rest of our history and losing that, would be f***ing hard to swallow. That's not the mention the impact it could have on the region and the people of the NE in general. That's not to say I'm blind to the obvious issue with the takeover, but from purely a footballing and economical viewpoint this is all or nothing for me. Nailed it. Up until the last days I’ve been on cloud 9, I know things still look good but the uncertainty has knocked me. Newcastle fans aren’t allowed anything nice. Aye, it's such a uniquely weird club in the sense that it's clearly had the potential for as long as I've been supporting it. I've spent years being frustrated at how close we came to having it under Shepard (barring one good decison), to losing compelte hope that we'd ever have it under Ashley. To come so close to knowing we'll finally unlock the potential of the club havin spendt years being ridiculed in the media for having those very beliefs and to lose it would probably be the end for me because I dont think any other takeover could bring what this one could. My thoughts exactly. I'll be totally broken if this doesnt happen. But I'll finish on a positive, all of the noises are still that this will get done. The sooner the better... :thup:

Agreed I think going from potentially having it all to having absolutely nothing at all would be a bit too much for me. I only post on here during takeover rumours because that hope is the only thing that keeps me connected to the club. I keep an eye on results and occasionally watch us on MOTD(If I can stay awake long enough) but I'm personally putting so much into the fact this particular takeover would potential put us into the absolute top tier of clubs for the rest of our history and losing that, would be f***ing hard to swallow. That's not the mention the impact it could have on the region and the people of the NE in general. That's not to say I'm blind to the obvious issue with the takeover, but from purely a footballing and economical viewpoint this is all or nothing for me. Nailed it. Up until the last days I’ve been on cloud 9, I know things still look good but the uncertainty has knocked me. Newcastle fans aren’t allowed anything nice. Aye, it's such a uniquely weird club in the sense that it's clearly had the potential for as long as I've been supporting it. I've spent years being frustrated at how close we came to having it under Shepherd (one good decison away), to losing complete hope that we'd ever have it under Ashley. To come so close to knowing we'll finally unlock the potential of the club havin spendt years being ridiculed in the media for having those very beliefs and to lose it would probably be the end for me because I dont think any other takeover could bring what this one could.

Agreed I think going from potentially having it all to having absolutely nothing at all would be a bit too much for me. I only post on here during takeover rumours because that hope is the only thing that keeps me connected to the club. I keep an eye on results and occasionally watch us on MOTD(If I can stay awake long enough) but I'm personally putting so much into the fact this particular takeover would potential put us into the absolute top tier of clubs for the rest of our history and losing that, would be f***ing hard to swallow. That's not the mention the impact it could have on the region and the people of the NE in general. That's not to say I'm blind to the obvious issue with the takeover, but from purely a footballing and economical viewpoint this is all or nothing for me.

Do you think that was the only reason he wasnt able to close out a cup win throughout all his time at Spurs? If not, then what was the reason? Cups aren't important to club chairmen. See how many of the recent FA Cup winners have lost their jobs soon afterwards. Then why did he lose his job? CL final and CL qualification achieved. Replaced by serial cup winner Mourihno. Surely you're not saying its CL win / PL title or bust? That doesnt add up. He got sacked because of league form at the start of this season, nothing to do with not winning a cup. If he won a cup the talk would just turn to "why has he not won the league" as it did with Wenger Mini slump cost him his job? I'm not sure I see the same logic as you here. 5 years at the club (with admittedly relatively low investment), 4th place finish and a CL final the previous year but it was the slump in form that cost him his job not the objective lack of trophies.

Do you think that was the only reason he wasnt able to close out a cup win throughout all his time at Spurs? If not, then what was the reason? Cups aren't important to club chairmen. See how many of the recent FA Cup winners have lost their jobs soon afterwards. Then why did he lose his job? CL final and CL qualification achieved. Replaced by serial cup winner Mourihno. Surely you're not saying its CL win / PL title or bust? That doesnt add up.

Do you think that was the only reason he wasnt able to close out a cup win throughout all his time at Spurs? If not, then what was the reason?