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This is my take. I'm just a bit uncomfortable with the idea of the consortium having to go through all that they have only to have a 3rd party come at the very last moment and try and take a £3m stake in the club, which could feasibly be worth £15m in a few years time with the proposed investment that said consortium are planning on making. What have NUST got to offer the consortium/business that could warrant that kind of compensation?

This is a nice thought on paper but totally naive in terms of reality. I'd be 100% behind this if I knew there'd been signs of engagement on this but as it stands I can't think of a worse time to release something like this.

Has NUST anticipated any potential fallout from the prospective owners rejecting the proposal? I mean, if the consortium haven't been consulted on this and don't like the idea then haven't NUST put them at risk of alienating a portion of fans before they've even taken over?

If this is correct then this will 100% work and I'd commit.

It's a great idea and I do wish it would succeed but I just think it's an overstretch and they would have been better off uniting the fans before they launched something like this. This thread alone is proof for why this may not take off.

Unusual amount of direct engagement with the fanbase these past few days. I do wonder whether we'd even be told if there'd been a positive outcome to the arbritation case in light of our current circumstances, certainly don't see PIF resubmitting a bid until our status is confirmed which means in my eyes this drags out till June at the earliest.

Same Caulkin who was saying time and time again no red flags. Yeah because that's what the PL were saying.. He's not a mind reader, he can only present the info he gets. Is the fact he isn't a mind reader and so is able to be lied to supposed to make everything he says now more doubtful than before? I don't get it, I mean I knew he wasn't psychic all along personally. So why believe he isn't being lied to now either, and by the way it was the buyers reporting to him no red flags not the PL. You want to believe it go ahead, personally I think he's being fed total s*** and has been all the way through. Why believe he is being lied too? Like I said being lied to has no barring at all on the likelihood of someone else lying to that same person in the future. Especially when it seems obvious it was the PL lying to the buyers that caused this. I've little doubt that the PL were claiming there were no issues. At least right until the end. It fits perfectly with the way the PL were trying to deal with this. Which was to try to make the takeover go away without having to reject it. Just keep saying its all fine, ask more questions, repeat indefinitely until the takeover dies of old age. Someone is filling him with s*** as he is the one who kept reporting no red flags, even when it was pretty obvious there was. You want to believe he is not being fed s*** then fine, that’s totally your choice. Was Caulkin being lied to or were his sources being lied to?

Disappointing way to end our recent unbeaten run.

I remember him retweeting something a fan said which was along the lines of Pardew kept on playing him in spite of him having injuries in the first few games of 14/15 to save his job. Which was probably the case, dragged us through that Palace home game which we still threw away. That rings a bell. I seem to remember him regularly impacting the game when he played and getting highlighted on MOTD then just faded into nothing. Fuck Pardew.

Swear down I remember Rolando Aaron looking like he had a bright future barring injuries. Was I seeing things?

Ben Arfa is the one that bugs me the most. Players like him just don't come round very often. Hugo Viana was another player I wish we saw more of. Also thought Marveux had a lot of quality about him but was never given thr chance.

Is there a set time frame for a decision to be reached? Is it safe to say we'll know exactly where we stand in a certain period of time?

You mean aside from every journalist including the negative ones saying they are there waiting for a takeover. Aside from companies house documents linked to PIF and our club being continued on Companies house only a day ago. Aside from the club releasing a statement a few days ago saying they were pushing for this takeover to go through. I was very positive it would go through until PIF withdrew. It turns out a lot of journalists were misled by their sources, so I certainly wouldn't be in a rush to believe them this time around. Similarly the higher ups at the club are proven liars so I'd take that with a pinch of salt too. The Companies House stuff is interesting though. As is the stuff linked to Stavely's case against Barclays. I'd be absolutely delighted if it went through and we could finally look forward to rebuilding the club, but I wouldn't be at all suprised if arbitration ended with a tidy settlement for Mike and everyone moving on. Were they mislead by their sources or were their sources mislead by the EPL? Seems apparent that AS has been pretty much spot on with what she said after the takeover initially fell through and the talk of piracy being an issue is only really applicable to the KSA, which of course is the whole point of arbritation and the reason AS may have felt was nothing to do with them. As tenuous as that may be I dont see why they'd take any other stance.

Thought they were only after a minority share. Wouldn’t be surprised though as Inter are a massive club and guaranteed champions league football. If you read the Chron's story on BNG just before you read this article you'll quicky figure out who The Sun's source is. If you're reading the Chronicle before reading the Sun, You get what you f***ing deserve. Ah ok, nice one.

Thought they were only after a minority share. Wouldn’t be surprised though as Inter are a massive club and guaranteed champions league football. If you read the Chron's story on BNG just before you read this article you'll quicky figure out who The Sun's source is.

That's my line of thinking as well. Surely if the deal was close to being done or even if they were just very confident of it getting done, the buyers would be doing all they can to protect their future investment. To me that would mean them telling Ashley to chuck Bruce out and to add his compensation package onto the price at the end. More than likely a legal and ethical minefield. They dont own the club after all.

How is this even up for debate?

The main party in the consortium literally did say this. So it's been off since that point in your eyes? If so then Ashley's statement and subsequent actions dont add up, furthermore there's enough out there to suggest PIF are still keen, even Luke Edwards accepted PIF were still on board. But further to my original point, we know how AS operates in these exact situations because she's been through them before so it makes no sense for us to believe she'd just slink off into the night without a single word being spoken. Absolutely. It has been off since then. Ashley’s statement and subsequent actions can be explained because he’s unhappy the deal is off. Why would he be fighting for a deal which is going ahead? He wouldn’t need to. It may only be back on once multiple hurdles have been overcome - sadly none of them are even close. Because he doesn't believe the test was carried out properly and feels it should have gone through? He even made direct reference to the fact PIF had provided information the EPL had requested. Those aren't the words of a man who believes this is dead. Well actually, they are the words from a man who believes this is dead: http://www.nufc.co.uk/news/latest-news/club-statement-1 AS carried out an interview where she informed us the deal was off. PIF released a statement withdrawing their bid. MA released the above statement advising the takeover had collapsed. What more do you want/need? Richard Masters himself denied they'd rejected the takeover, and the club subsequently pursued arbitration on the issue of whether the OD test applied appropriately. I'm no legal expert but if the case was for compensation, then I'm not sure why the club would be pursuing it, and not Ashley himself. It's his asset after all. It's worth mentioning that AS also engaged fan action on the issues which we obliged. The Reuben brothers released a statement confirming they're "totally supportive" of a resurrection of the takeover and there has been plenty written about PIFs continued interest. These aren't the actions of people who no longer see the takeover as a viable option. Your last part answers the original point. The Reubens are supportive of a ‘resurrection’. You don’t tend to need to resurrect something that is currently active. The deal is currently off. There is no deal. There only would be a deal if multiple complex issues are resolved (in addition to the arbitration). All of which currently look unlikely. Ahh, so you're arguing semantics. Then yes, I agree there is no official bid on the table that is awaiting approval, but it's my concrete belief that there will be should the clubs "compensation" claim be successful (and we don't get relegated). As above - that’s not true or possible. There is much more to it then just the arbitration. Based on what out of interest?

The main party in the consortium literally did say this. So it's been off since that point in your eyes? If so then Ashley's statement and subsequent actions dont add up, furthermore there's enough out there to suggest PIF are still keen, even Luke Edwards accepted PIF were still on board. But further to my original point, we know how AS operates in these exact situations because she's been through them before so it makes no sense for us to believe she'd just slink off into the night without a single word being spoken. Absolutely. It has been off since then. Ashley’s statement and subsequent actions can be explained because he’s unhappy the deal is off. Why would he be fighting for a deal which is going ahead? He wouldn’t need to. It may only be back on once multiple hurdles have been overcome - sadly none of them are even close. Because he doesn't believe the test was carried out properly and feels it should have gone through? He even made direct reference to the fact PIF had provided information the EPL had requested. Those aren't the words of a man who believes this is dead. Well actually, they are the words from a man who believes this is dead: http://www.nufc.co.uk/news/latest-news/club-statement-1 AS carried out an interview where she informed us the deal was off. PIF released a statement withdrawing their bid. MA released the above statement advising the takeover had collapsed. What more do you want/need? Richard Masters himself denied they'd rejected the takeover, and the club subsequently pursued arbitration on the issue of whether the OD test applied appropriately. I'm no legal expert but if the case was for compensation, then I'm not sure why the club would be pursuing it, and not Ashley himself. It's his asset after all. It's worth mentioning that AS also engaged fan action on the issues which we obliged. The Reuben brothers released a statement confirming they're "totally supportive" of a resurrection of the takeover and there has been plenty written about PIFs continued interest. These aren't the actions of people who no longer see the takeover as a viable option. Your last part answers the original point. The Reubens are supportive of a ‘resurrection’. You don’t tend to need to resurrect something that is currently active. The deal is currently off. There is no deal. There only would be a deal if multiple complex issues are resolved (in addition to the arbitration). All of which currently look unlikely. Ahh, so you're arguing semantics. Then yes, I agree there is no official bid on the table that is awaiting approval, but it's my concrete belief that there will be should the clubs "compensation" claim be successful (and we don't get relegated).

The main party in the consortium literally did say this. So it's been off since that point in your eyes? If so then Ashley's statement and subsequent actions dont add up, furthermore there's enough out there to suggest PIF are still keen, even Luke Edwards accepted PIF were still on board. But further to my original point, we know how AS operates in these exact situations because she's been through them before so it makes no sense for us to believe she'd just slink off into the night without a single word being spoken. Absolutely. It has been off since then. Ashley’s statement and subsequent actions can be explained because he’s unhappy the deal is off. Why would he be fighting for a deal which is going ahead? He wouldn’t need to. It may only be back on once multiple hurdles have been overcome - sadly none of them are even close. Because he doesn't believe the test was carried out properly and feels it should have gone through? He even made direct reference to the fact PIF had provided information the EPL had requested. Those aren't the words of a man who believes this is dead. Well actually, they are the words from a man who believes this is dead: http://www.nufc.co.uk/news/latest-news/club-statement-1 AS carried out an interview where she informed us the deal was off. PIF released a statement withdrawing their bid. MA released the above statement advising the takeover had collapsed. What more do you want/need? Richard Masters himself denied they'd rejected the takeover, and the club subsequently pursued arbitration on the issue of whether the OD test applied appropriately. I'm no legal expert but if the case was for compensation, then I'm not sure why the club would be pursuing it, and not Ashley himself. It's his asset after all. It's worth mentioning that AS also engaged fan action on the issues which we obliged. The Reuben brothers released a statement confirming they're "totally supportive" of a resurrection of the takeover and there has been plenty written about PIFs continued interest. These aren't the actions of people who no longer see the takeover as a viable option.

The main party in the consortium literally did say this. So it's been off since that point in your eyes? If so then Ashley's statement and subsequent actions dont add up, furthermore there's enough out there to suggest PIF are still keen, even Luke Edwards accepted PIF were still on board. But further to my original point, we know how AS operates in these exact situations because she's been through them before so it makes no sense for us to believe she'd just slink off into the night without a single word being spoken. Absolutely. It has been off since then. Ashley’s statement and subsequent actions can be explained because he’s unhappy the deal is off. Why would he be fighting for a deal which is going ahead? He wouldn’t need to. It may only be back on once multiple hurdles have been overcome - sadly none of them are even close. Because he doesn't believe the test was carried out properly and feels it should have gone through? He even made direct reference to the fact PIF had provided information the EPL had requested. Those aren't the words of a man who believes this is dead.

She did a massive interview with caulkin saying it was off, in tears etc. She’s never officially said it’s back on. I do believe they want to buy the club but I also believe it’s more of a hassle than they bargained for Then the club released their statement and took subsequent action. We also got the official statement from the Reuben brithers confirming they "remain supportive" of the takeover. Like I say, for me, it's on until one of the Reubens, AS or Ashley himself say it's off.

The main party in the consortium literally did say this. So it's been off since that point in your eyes? If so then Ashley's statement and subsequent actions dont add up, furthermore there's enough out there to suggest PIF are still keen, even Luke Edwards accepted PIF were still on board. But further to my original point, we know how AS operates in these exact situations because she's been through them before so it makes no sense for us to believe she'd just slink off into the night without a single word being spoken.

If it was off then why wouldn't AS say so? I can't think of a single reason why she wouldn't, she's not exactly shy about engaging the media and has done exactly that on a couple of occasions now. This is on until someone significant says its off. It's as simple as that.

That's a different argument. When did I say we are not? I just don't think he is as good as everyone is making out to be. Team improves when Almiron is played in the correct position = average player