Thumbheed

Aye BZG are gonna be delighted to pay £350m for the club minus a couple of its biggest assets Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the accounting value of these players be totally different to the paper value? I would have thought the accounting value dictates the price of the club as opposed to the paper value of the players. I'm seriously clutching here, but wouldn't cash in the bank be more appealing to potential buyers? You are right that the accounting value will be different (in this case Perez would be worth nothing in the books) but the market value of the players would have a bearing on any takeover value. What has happened on an accounting basis with this sale is that the net asset value of the club (accounting basis) has gone up by £30m So in the balance of things, would that make the club more or less appealing for a buyer?

Aye BZG are gonna be delighted to pay £350m for the club minus a couple of its biggest assets Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the accounting value of these players be totally different to the paper value? I would have thought the accounting value dictates the price of the club as opposed to the paper value of the players. I'm seriously clutching here, but wouldn't cash in the bank be more appealing to potential buyers?

Is it really that unexpected? It has been widely reported that Pérez had itchy feet and we all know Ashley’s love for making a few Bob regardless of the consequences. Wasn’t one of the main sticking points for Rafa that he wasn’t given enough control over transfers? If that’s the case then this is exactly what was expected: f*** whichever desperate dupe they appoint, he’ll be given what to work with and told to get on with it (see “Pardue). As for the takeover, not sure anyone would sit back and see the value of the club diminish after already having agreed a price. He’s just getting on with things isn’t he...I’d be amazed if a deal goes through now. This just looks like every other close season / transfer window now, only worse I know it's easy to say "but it's Ashley, it doesn't have to make sense" but to leave your squad with 1 actual striker (Joselu is not a striker) is beyond crazy, it just makes no sense on any level. My guess is he's looking to buy big in the hope it appeases us on some level - those Joelinton rumours make more sense with this sale. It does, in the sense the morons think we could swap out one with the other. The chances of Joelinton or any one else actually being interested in coming here now is the problem. Let's say there are players still wanting to come here, whixh of course there are. They're only likely to be not good enough or in it for the money leeches we have seen before. You think Ashley thinks we can survive the Prem with inferior strikers? I think Ashley's reluctance to ever spend anything significant on a striker proves he knows full well the value of a striker.

How does he directly benefit from a firesale if he's selling the club?

Is it really that unexpected? It has been widely reported that Pérez had itchy feet and we all know Ashley’s love for making a few Bob regardless of the consequences. Wasn’t one of the main sticking points for Rafa that he wasn’t given enough control over transfers? If that’s the case then this is exactly what was expected: f*** whichever desperate dupe they appoint, he’ll be given what to work with and told to get on with it (see “Pardue). As for the takeover, not sure anyone would sit back and see the value of the club diminish after already having agreed a price. He’s just getting on with things isn’t he...I’d be amazed if a deal goes through now. This just looks like every other close season / transfer window now, only worse I know it's easy to say "but it's Ashley, it doesn't have to make sense" but to leave your squad with 1 actual striker (Joselu is not a striker) is beyond crazy, it just makes no sense on any level. My guess is he's looking to buy big in the hope it appeases us on some level - those Joelinton rumours make more sense with this sale.

Didn't go to Leicester though did it? Would you go to Leicester in a helicopter? Fucking hell

We won’t be worth 250 mil in the championship Why not? Bet we are. The revenue drops significantly in the Championship.

That is unusually low. Suppose this is asset stripping, does anyone know how exactly Ashley would benefit directly from this? I'm struggling to make the pieces fit here for a positive outcome.

January is the real test. Of course all potential bad news is nailed on and nothing positive will happen, ever. Yeh, I appreciate all his is premature but I'm struggling to remember anything positive the past few years so I'll stick with precedent and just keep my fingers crossed for a takeover. Even if he doesn't go, we're still fucked without a takeover.

January is the real test.

No Ayoze, no Rondon, no Joselu. Am I losing my mind here? What the fuck is going on??! No pressure, Muto.

Right so how are u spreading this message to people that don’t visit the forum Well this is the salient point. The very first thing these groups should be doing is getting on these message boards and spreading their message in a respectful and diligent manner. They should be uniting the fans first before they act. All I've seen so far is "We're doing this, who's with us?". It's a terrible way of uniting fans. Surely it can't be that hard to get the local media/bloggers to spread the same message? There's a huge amount of apathy built into the culture of this club after the past 12 years, we need more than what is being offered to stifle that lethargy.

2.5 years I think I read. I'd be massively surprised if there wasn't a clause or 2 in that.

Rafa went from managing the biggest club in the world to fighting relegation with Newcastle fucking United then staying to get us promoted. Let's not pretend we have any idea what his motivations are or should be. The man has never deceived the fans in all his time here, so when he say he wanted to stay - he wanted to fucking stay. His motivations for a potential move to China are totally irrelevant - the club had every opportunity to keep him and they failed. There is absolutely no tangible evidence to suggest Rafa was asking for anything that even we as fans weren't asking for. My respect for the man has gone up 10 fold, he didn't compromise on his beliefs like the majority of the fans do. If you're more honorable and principled than Rafa then do us all a favour and boycott every aspect of Newcastle United - message boards included.

He'd have to spend a huge amount money to get the same profile he has with Newcastle - theres no club that serves his purpose better than us.

Great post.

I think it matters this time. With a potential takeover in the making we're at arguably the most critical point in our recent history. There's just too much at stake to even risk any apathy being sniffed out by the scavengers who run our club. They're MO is exploitation of the masses. That's essentially been proven in a court of law. This is the time to act.

Dreaming of finally grabbing the attention of the world with a boycott then being able to highlight Sport Direct's shady practices on a worldwide stage. He couldn't fight that, he's no way near established enough.

For the record, the bit about the protests and flags is not a dig, I think the're fantastic efforts but my point is that stuff like that is only effective if meanigful media gets behind it, which it doesn't. I don't want to slight anyone who's involved with that stuff. Except for the coffin watchers, they can carry on going to the games for all I care.

The thing is, for 12 years no press has really got behind the shambolic running of the club and forced the issue like they have with others. We don't have the national profile to warrant it I suppose after years of underachievement. So how many people outside our club truly understand the impact Ashley is having on us? Every week 50k fans turn up and "support the team". Every single week 50k create a great atmosphere for millions of fans worldwide who are totally oblivious to the strife and disarray that is at our club. Every single week 50k put on an almost picture perfect environment for the marketing of his tat. He has a worldwide marketing tool that is being fed by the very people he is trampling on. The biggest impact we can have on Ashley is by showing the world our discontent in the only way we can; an empty stadium. Lets have people worldwide see an empty stadium and question why. If Ashley can use the club to pursue his own agenda, then the smartest thing we can do is to do the exact same thing. We should be doing everything in our power to create a negative brand association as it's literally the only interest Ashley has in our club. We don't need protests, we don't need flags, we don't need some bald cunt walking around with a coffin, we need to boycott this club until changes are made. Imagine paying for music from an artist who's had their best days but keeps churning out shit because they're still getting the money. That's us.

Sadly, for as long as the fans dont realise that by 'supporting the team's they're supporting the regime', we'll constantly be in this situation.

Don't even care about his ability as a manager. The man was just pure class. There's not many people out there who can engage a club like Rafa does. His managerial ability to replicable but his ability to engage the entire city is not. He's a rare breed. Absolutely gutted.

No, not yet, doubt he will either. If he has lied, well i'd rather he faced it up and apologised. Then that would be it, we all do daft things to seek attention, it's no biggie to forgive him. We all don't go to those levels though, man. Football's emotive. It's pretty cruel for someone to manipulate those emotions for a 'kick', especially at a time like this. Same as it would be cruel for anyone to do the same in any other emotive scenario.

Isn't Thumbheed from Blackpool? I'm not, no.

I know it's Darren Gough of all people, but everytime I hear the words "goalposts" and "moved" my heart sinks. We all know he's definitely got a precedent for that. The idea that Ashley may even entertain the idea of jeapordising this sale or the re signing of Rafa does worry me with reagrds to his intentions with BZG.