Kid Icarus

Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange You don't wonder that at all you sanctimonious tit. There's nothing strange about you being held to account when you stray beyond the subject of the ownership of NUFC to have a pop at the city itself. Would you care to expand on why it's a "disturbing precedent" or are you just flinging out word salad to feel a bit more smug than you already do? I do wonder considering I don't think what I said was inflammatory enough to warrant such a hysterical reaction, yeah. Not sure how it's sanctimonious or smug to see Newcastle fans online do things like attack Khashoggi's grieving fiance and worry about that level of defensive sentiment spreading if the Saudis improve the area, for example, and how that impacts on the city's reputation. I mean all I've said is that I find the mere idea of that disturbing and you've felt it necessary to attack that opinion, so... Personally, I get offended by the generalisation that most Newcastle fans are like the morons on twitter and more specifically the sort of morons that would tweet a grieving widow. It was a few nobheads who likely acted without thinking. It's also hardly a surprise that the people of Newcastle are excited by the prospect of good football, alongside investment into the area. Do you think SA enters peoples thoughts on a daily basis or indeed would affect their thinking? It's not a generalisation. Like I said in my post, the concern is that that sort of defensive sentiment spreads, and imo it will. If you don't have the same concern that's fine, but I'm not being sanctimonious just for having the opposite opinion. None of us have any idea what's going to happen and how it'll affect the area.

The worlds full of complete morons, it's not unique to football or NUFC (although we probably have more than our fair share). Maybe instead of moaning about them, try to educate the ones that might listen. But what do you want? A fanbase that tries to force the Saudis out (if this happens), or merely an educated fanbase that will not be used as a weapon? If it's the second, then try to engage the ones that are willing to learn? A huge proportion of our fans don't really know anything about the Saudis, MBS etc. The entire point of my post was the bit in bold, although I wouldn't say they're morons, they're just looking after their material interests, as everyone does. Not moaning either, just mentioning something I learned that I think is useful to consider if you're the sort who (like me) couldn't work out why people overlook or side with terrible people/organisations. As for the rest, I was part of SackPardew, AshleyOut, The Magpie Group, am an NUST member, and I volunteer for numerous political campaigns here and abroad, so I do try. Fans weren't willing to walk away from an unsuccessful, spirit crushing Mike Ashley with terrible business practices, so I'm not holding my breath that a potentially cash-splashing, successful MBS would bring better returns. I'd rather put my work to better use, but that doesn't mean I can't share my opinion on a football forum just because it's not praxis.

I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also As I mentioned, that was in response to specific posts and I can post whatever I want. Of course you can, but you're only having the effect of making others dig trenches basically. There has to be a way we can have a more amicable debate here ffs. Sorry, but posters were saying they wanted the Saudis over another potential U.S option and that unless it was someone with Jeff Bezos' wealth they weren't interested. They chose which trench to dig and I thought an edit of SBR's quote, the original of which we're all happy to repeat as representative of being a football supporter, was an effective way to highlight that.

Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange You don't wonder that at all you sanctimonious tit. There's nothing strange about you being held to account when you stray beyond the subject of the ownership of NUFC to have a pop at the city itself. Would you care to expand on why it's a "disturbing precedent" or are you just flinging out word salad to feel a bit more smug than you already do? I do wonder considering I don't think what I said was inflammatory enough to warrant such a hysterical reaction, yeah. Not sure how it's sanctimonious or smug to see Newcastle fans online do things like attack Khashoggi's grieving fiance and worry about that level of defensive sentiment spreading if the Saudis improve the area, for example, and how that impacts on the city's reputation. I mean all I've said is that I find the mere idea of that disturbing and you've felt it necessary to attack that opinion, so...

I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also As I mentioned, that was in response to specific posts and I can post whatever I want.

exact opposite. I honestly feel that this would be a greater benefit to the city than to the club itself. If they do similar to what the Man City owners have done in Manchester then it would be massive for Newcastle and the North East. I’ve said it before, it’s ok living in London and Manchester and saying we should reject this money, but the fact is this area has been deprived of investment for generations. We don’t have a queue of people flocking to invest here. We are not in a position to turn down anyone’s money, look at how NCC are accepting projects in the city of lower quality than is being proposed elsewhere and even in smaller southern towns and cities. You've cut out what I was talking about though? The people now batting for the Saudis. Regeneration is another matter and anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's.

Wrong the noise, passion, feeling of belonging will be greater after this takeover than at any point in the last 13 years. So would having any other owner. Granted but your kidding yourself if you don’t think this takeover has captured the imagination like no other. It could take us to 90’s levels of excitement, something a whole generation of our support have never experienced. In your bubble maybe. Not saying that bubble's not the majority or anything, or that it won't influence the next generation, but I wouldn't count on this being the thing that reunites the existing fan base, this debate will go on for a while and I can see plastics replacing the existing fans who this whole thing doesn't sit right with. Think you’ll be surprised by how many old school lads will make a comeback if he goes. Don’t think the atmosphere as it is at the minute could be any worse. It'll be be interesting to see how it all pans out.

Having your own views is guilt tripping

Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange

I've never delved into the Man City fans outlook on it, but Ricky Hatton is pretty well known for preferring everything pre-take over.

Wrong the noise, passion, feeling of belonging will be greater after this takeover than at any point in the last 13 years. So would having any other owner. Granted but your kidding yourself if you don’t think this takeover has captured the imagination like no other. It could take us to 90’s levels of excitement, something a whole generation of our support have never experienced. In your bubble maybe. Not saying that bubble's not the majority or anything, or that it won't influence the next generation, but I wouldn't count on this being the thing that reunites the existing fan base, this debate will go on for a while and I can see plastics replacing the existing fans who this whole thing doesn't sit right with.

“Don’t ever give up on your club. Keep supporting it, it’s your club and trust me, one day you will get your club back and it will be everything you wanted it to be.” Yes, NUFC being owned by and connected with the Saudi state is presumably what Keegan meant by the club being ours again and it being everything we all want it to be. I think he meant there would be a time when we would compete and have a chance at success again. Not sure he was being specific regarding ownership. I understand your disdain for the new owners and the countries human rights. I agree it’s a massive issue. Perhaps this will be highlighted and acted on as their ownership of our club progresses? You would hope so, but money will always talk and the owners now seem to already have an online army of Newcastle fans lining up to fight on their behalf. Beyond any connection with the football club, I have to say I find that a pretty disturbing precedent for the city like. Who knows though, anything could happen.

I haven't really got the energy to argue/debate with anyone about this and just reading it all honestly gives me a bad head. But I dont subscribe to this at all. Whilst I'm morally conflicted there is not a chance in hell that I've just went "aye f*** human rights, I just want f*** tones of money!". I want Ashley gone first and foremost. If these new owners run it as shoddily as Ashley then I'd aim the exact same criticism at them as I would Ashley now. Is it really that cut and dry, you support your club still then you must shoulder KSA human rights violations and whatever else they do?. So confused where I stand tbh I was getting at the heart of a lot of the comments on here about only wanting an owner with enormous wealth regardless of other factors that I've read over the last few pages tbh mate. It wasn't meant as a wider comment on everyone, just specifically that outlook. Apologies if it was read that way.

Poor people vote for Trump because they want things to be better, it's not that different to Newcastle fans, I suppose you're right there. Difference is, Trump will probably make things worse for them because he's a businessman, and business goals are not usually to put money in poor people's pockets. I'd say the difference is they're selling out a lot less for potentially much more in return tbh. Trump is aesthetically displeasing but has nothing on the Saudis in terms of what he's actually done, and obviously the potential of having a livelihood again means more than your favourite football team having money to sign players. Trump hasn't improved anything for them - no different to any other president, rep or dem, since NAFTA. The difference being that he bothered his arse to acknowledge the problem and lie about helping them whereas the opposition didn't, offered nothing, and continue to offer nothing.

“Don’t ever give up on your club. Keep supporting it, it’s your club and trust me, one day you will get your club back and it will be everything you wanted it to be.” Yes, NUFC being owned by and connected with the Saudi state is presumably what Keegan meant by the club being ours again and it being everything we all want it to be.

Wrong the noise, passion, feeling of belonging will be greater after this takeover than at any point in the last 13 years. So would having any other owner.

If they run the club for profit, stop spending money on players, don't bring success, or the bubble bursts imo. Even then I can't see there ever being any fan base-wide objections on ethical grounds.

Because why would it? Nothing else has done it, why would owning a football club?

American owners doesn't really mean anything though does it? You could be talking about people and business outlooks as diverse as Warren Buffet or Charles Koch.

Just goes to show how far people can go in overlooking things if there's the possibility of their material interests being looked after. If people can not only overlook, but defend Saudi barbarism because their football club might improve, it should now be a no-brainer why things like poor people voting for Trump in the rust belt happened and will continue to happen.

I suppose it depends on what hindsight might show us, if for whatever reason the Saudi deal doesn't go ahead.

This stinks of opponents of Saudi deal in media saying hey look newcastle fans there’s another option here. In reality there is no other bid and who ever breaks this story will be interesting. Or Mike Ashley just being Mike Ashley and doing something he's done countless times now - invent bids and leak them to the media in order to try and perk up interest

"Remember everyone, if more people watch and enjoy football for free, the sport as we know it will die!" I'm personally dead against the Saudis taking us over, but it tells you everything you need to know about the priorities and tone deafness of the likes of Keys that they're arguing against the takeover on commercial grounds rather than ethical grounds, while putting forward the idea that the commercialisation of football over the years - something I think many fans would say is what's sucked the soul out of the game - is in fact what gives football its soul. I actually agree that "It matters because if theft of sports rights becomes the norm - sport as we know it dies." I just happen to think it was the likes of Sky that stole it back in the '90s and it's slowly died from then onwards. I'd be more than happy for the sport in its current state to die tbh.

The proof will only ever be in the pudding. We already know how comfortable they are with trying to cover their tracks and telling any lie they can.