Kid Icarus

Having your own views is guilt tripping

Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange

I've never delved into the Man City fans outlook on it, but Ricky Hatton is pretty well known for preferring everything pre-take over.

Wrong the noise, passion, feeling of belonging will be greater after this takeover than at any point in the last 13 years. So would having any other owner. Granted but your kidding yourself if you don’t think this takeover has captured the imagination like no other. It could take us to 90’s levels of excitement, something a whole generation of our support have never experienced. In your bubble maybe. Not saying that bubble's not the majority or anything, or that it won't influence the next generation, but I wouldn't count on this being the thing that reunites the existing fan base, this debate will go on for a while and I can see plastics replacing the existing fans who this whole thing doesn't sit right with.

“Don’t ever give up on your club. Keep supporting it, it’s your club and trust me, one day you will get your club back and it will be everything you wanted it to be.” Yes, NUFC being owned by and connected with the Saudi state is presumably what Keegan meant by the club being ours again and it being everything we all want it to be. I think he meant there would be a time when we would compete and have a chance at success again. Not sure he was being specific regarding ownership. I understand your disdain for the new owners and the countries human rights. I agree it’s a massive issue. Perhaps this will be highlighted and acted on as their ownership of our club progresses? You would hope so, but money will always talk and the owners now seem to already have an online army of Newcastle fans lining up to fight on their behalf. Beyond any connection with the football club, I have to say I find that a pretty disturbing precedent for the city like. Who knows though, anything could happen.

I haven't really got the energy to argue/debate with anyone about this and just reading it all honestly gives me a bad head. But I dont subscribe to this at all. Whilst I'm morally conflicted there is not a chance in hell that I've just went "aye f*** human rights, I just want f*** tones of money!". I want Ashley gone first and foremost. If these new owners run it as shoddily as Ashley then I'd aim the exact same criticism at them as I would Ashley now. Is it really that cut and dry, you support your club still then you must shoulder KSA human rights violations and whatever else they do?. So confused where I stand tbh I was getting at the heart of a lot of the comments on here about only wanting an owner with enormous wealth regardless of other factors that I've read over the last few pages tbh mate. It wasn't meant as a wider comment on everyone, just specifically that outlook. Apologies if it was read that way.

Poor people vote for Trump because they want things to be better, it's not that different to Newcastle fans, I suppose you're right there. Difference is, Trump will probably make things worse for them because he's a businessman, and business goals are not usually to put money in poor people's pockets. I'd say the difference is they're selling out a lot less for potentially much more in return tbh. Trump is aesthetically displeasing but has nothing on the Saudis in terms of what he's actually done, and obviously the potential of having a livelihood again means more than your favourite football team having money to sign players. Trump hasn't improved anything for them - no different to any other president, rep or dem, since NAFTA. The difference being that he bothered his arse to acknowledge the problem and lie about helping them whereas the opposition didn't, offered nothing, and continue to offer nothing.

“Don’t ever give up on your club. Keep supporting it, it’s your club and trust me, one day you will get your club back and it will be everything you wanted it to be.” Yes, NUFC being owned by and connected with the Saudi state is presumably what Keegan meant by the club being ours again and it being everything we all want it to be.

Wrong the noise, passion, feeling of belonging will be greater after this takeover than at any point in the last 13 years. So would having any other owner.

If they run the club for profit, stop spending money on players, don't bring success, or the bubble bursts imo. Even then I can't see there ever being any fan base-wide objections on ethical grounds.

Because why would it? Nothing else has done it, why would owning a football club?

American owners doesn't really mean anything though does it? You could be talking about people and business outlooks as diverse as Warren Buffet or Charles Koch.

Just goes to show how far people can go in overlooking things if there's the possibility of their material interests being looked after. If people can not only overlook, but defend Saudi barbarism because their football club might improve, it should now be a no-brainer why things like poor people voting for Trump in the rust belt happened and will continue to happen.

I suppose it depends on what hindsight might show us, if for whatever reason the Saudi deal doesn't go ahead.

This stinks of opponents of Saudi deal in media saying hey look newcastle fans there’s another option here. In reality there is no other bid and who ever breaks this story will be interesting. Or Mike Ashley just being Mike Ashley and doing something he's done countless times now - invent bids and leak them to the media in order to try and perk up interest

"Remember everyone, if more people watch and enjoy football for free, the sport as we know it will die!" I'm personally dead against the Saudis taking us over, but it tells you everything you need to know about the priorities and tone deafness of the likes of Keys that they're arguing against the takeover on commercial grounds rather than ethical grounds, while putting forward the idea that the commercialisation of football over the years - something I think many fans would say is what's sucked the soul out of the game - is in fact what gives football its soul. I actually agree that "It matters because if theft of sports rights becomes the norm - sport as we know it dies." I just happen to think it was the likes of Sky that stole it back in the '90s and it's slowly died from then onwards. I'd be more than happy for the sport in its current state to die tbh.

The proof will only ever be in the pudding. We already know how comfortable they are with trying to cover their tracks and telling any lie they can.

Can someone delete my account again please

Went through a phase of not minding him during the Magpie Group phase because he was actually pretty sound and was happy to take the piss out of himself. He doesn't help himself or us with shit like that though and still regularly comes across pretty strongly as being desperate for attention.

What you prattling on about? Again, nobody is doubting their human rights record. Nobody is downplaying it. We are just discussing the likely impact it is likely to have on the takeover. We dont need your virtue signalling in this thread, thanks. It was a joke and it was specifically in reply to someone who flounced off when I disagreed with him, ye div. The level of touchiness over this is getting into projection territory tbh, there's nothing in anything I said in my post that even hints at virtue signalling.

What can I say. These people are the snowflake generation. It's PC gone WILD.

You want to try the at what cost thread. Your stereotypical Football supporters have changed quite a bit. Unless it’s just on here? It IS just on here! Nowhere else is influenced by some of the weird comments that appear on that thread. Reading that thread convinces you that all the evils in the world have been (will be) caused by our Takeover. It is feeble, to put it mildly. It's funny you say that because most of the people I know in real life, including a woman I work with who's been going to matches since the mid '80s, are dead against the takeover or just as conflicted about it all. I don't think it's fair to judge the support overall because it's just as it's been for the entire time I've been supporting the club - split. You want to try the at what cost thread. Your stereotypical Football supporters have changed quite a bit. Unless it’s just on here? It IS just on here! Nowhere else is influenced by some of the weird comments that appear on that thread. Reading that thread convinces you that all the evils in the world have been (will be) caused by our Takeover. It is feeble, to put it mildly. It's funny you say that because most of the people I know in real life, including a woman I work with who's been going to matches since the mid '80s, are dead against the takeover or just as conflicted about it all. I don't think it's fair to judge the support overall because it's just as it's been for the entire time I've been supporting the club - split. I always find when I talk to people with views like yours (in real life) that NOTHING that I or anyone else says to them ever sinks in, but the same type of self-assured words come back at me, time and time and time again. I should not have responded, as I knew what I would get back. This is the end of our conversation. We didn't even start to have one in the first place and I'm not sure what I said to make you think any of that tbh, but suit yourself.

Without wanting to get into talking about a wider political point or whatever, I agree and I think Covid has massively exposed all of the grim, blood-sucking failings of capitalism overall. I do actually agree with this, I'm not a fan of capitalism in general, something has never sat right with me about it. I've often thought socialism has is fundamentally a better intentioned way of life. Getting it to work anywhere in the world seems to be a problem though, especially when you've got all the resources of the capitalist big boys to throw against it. That's one way of describing the violent, CIA-backed coups of any country that dares to nationalise its resources, yeah.

So this is what it feels like to watch an argument from the outside.