Kid Icarus

Well what I offered lead to your reaction tbf, but stay angry based on your wrong presumptions about my point if it makes you feel better. "what I offered"....was a load of misinformed s**** but yeah, I am angry. I'm often angry....but not at you. You don't matter. Stay safe. It boils down to people looking out for and defending their material interests. That's not a judgement, it's reality, we all do it. All I'm saying is that it worries me that because those material interests will be met by the Saudis, they'll be defended. That's it, that's the entire point and there's historical precedent for it everywhere. Just ask the 40% of converted Tories whether being able buy their council house in the '80s factored into their conversion to something they were previously against, or if it was just a coincidence. Everything else that you got angry about, were just presumptions you invented for yourself.

I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also As I mentioned, that was in response to specific posts and I can post whatever I want. Of course you can, but you're only having the effect of making others dig trenches basically. There has to be a way we can have a more amicable debate here ffs. Sorry, but posters were saying they wanted the Saudis over another potential U.S option and that unless it was someone with Jeff Bezos' wealth they weren't interested. They chose which trench to dig and I thought an edit of SBR's quote, the original of which we're all happy to repeat as representative of being a football supporter, was an effective way to highlight that. Do you not think it's a bit of a low blow (and even disrespectful) to use (and edit) a quote of Sir Bobby's out of the original context? He isn't here to take a side like you are. No, not really, I think it's very pertinent. I think it's absolutely f***ing disgusting that you have bastardised a quote from an absolute legend for the sole purpose of scoring points online. Yes, editing quotes on a football forum to make a point about where some of our supporters priorities lie is where we need to draw the ethical line in this whole debate. It's the snowflakes who are disgusted by the Saudi's human rights record who are the sanctimonious ones, not those morally outraged at the sight of a quote being thrown back in their face. Are you playing the victim for the sake of it? I'm abhorred by the Saudis human rights record and have been for a long time, unfortunately our Government are mates with the f***ers and us as fans don't have any power over any of this. Go find those people who support their actions and argue with them instead of banging on and on here. I'm out anyway. And yes, bastardising a quote from Sir Bobby for the purpose you did is still disrespectful in my eyes. I don't think I'm a victim at all. I just find it really ridiculous that in this discussion the idea of questioning those openly saying they'd prefer the Saudis because of their money, even when an alternative is available, is somehow controversial. For someone who clearly holds SBR's quote close to their heart, I find it odd that you'd view someone wanting to see the sentiment of it upheld as the outrageous one.

I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also As I mentioned, that was in response to specific posts and I can post whatever I want. Of course you can, but you're only having the effect of making others dig trenches basically. There has to be a way we can have a more amicable debate here ffs. Sorry, but posters were saying they wanted the Saudis over another potential U.S option and that unless it was someone with Jeff Bezos' wealth they weren't interested. They chose which trench to dig and I thought an edit of SBR's quote, the original of which we're all happy to repeat as representative of being a football supporter, was an effective way to highlight that. Do you not think it's a bit of a low blow (and even disrespectful) to use (and edit) a quote of Sir Bobby's out of the original context? He isn't here to take a side like you are. No, not really, I think it's very pertinent. I think it's absolutely f***ing disgusting that you have bastardised a quote from an absolute legend for the sole purpose of scoring points online. Yes, editing quotes on a football forum to make a point about where some of our supporters priorities lie is where we need to draw the ethical line in this whole debate. It's the snowflakes who are disgusted by the Saudi's human rights record who are the sanctimonious ones, not those morally outraged at the sight of a quote being thrown back in their face.

Well what I offered lead to your reaction tbf, but stay angry based on your wrong presumptions about my point if it makes you feel better.

Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange You don't wonder that at all you sanctimonious tit. There's nothing strange about you being held to account when you stray beyond the subject of the ownership of NUFC to have a pop at the city itself. Would you care to expand on why it's a "disturbing precedent" or are you just flinging out word salad to feel a bit more smug than you already do? I do wonder considering I don't think what I said was inflammatory enough to warrant such a hysterical reaction, yeah. Not sure how it's sanctimonious or smug to see Newcastle fans online do things like attack Khashoggi's grieving fiance and worry about that level of defensive sentiment spreading if the Saudis improve the area, for example, and how that impacts on the city's reputation. I mean all I've said is that I find the mere idea of that disturbing and you've felt it necessary to attack that opinion, so... How the hell does that impact on "the cities reputation"? You've gone from some arsehole on Twitter giving a widow grief, which as anyone with a brain agrees is absolutely repugnant, to that's a "pretty disturbing precedent for the city like". So, ok, I'll bite.... In my professional capacity I have to help rehome people new to the country. Help them find homes, jobs, learn the language, the usual quotidian s*** we all take for granted. And when people are rehoused in Newcastle we have to make them feel welcome, and guess what? They do. Because this is a great place to live, and I love everything that's good about it, and I try to improve everything that's s*** about it. And some f***ing t*** with an axe to grind about the human rights record of some country that I have personally helped their citizens of - and I'm going to guess you've done the square root of f*** all about - isn't going to change that. There you go. 'Hysterical' enough for you? Genuinely unhinged, yeah. Very weird and presumptuous.

I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also As I mentioned, that was in response to specific posts and I can post whatever I want. Of course you can, but you're only having the effect of making others dig trenches basically. There has to be a way we can have a more amicable debate here ffs. Sorry, but posters were saying they wanted the Saudis over another potential U.S option and that unless it was someone with Jeff Bezos' wealth they weren't interested. They chose which trench to dig and I thought an edit of SBR's quote, the original of which we're all happy to repeat as representative of being a football supporter, was an effective way to highlight that. Do you not think it's a bit of a low blow (and even disrespectful) to use (and edit) a quote of Sir Bobby's out of the original context? He isn't here to take a side like you are. No, not really, I think it's very pertinent.

Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange You don't wonder that at all you sanctimonious tit. There's nothing strange about you being held to account when you stray beyond the subject of the ownership of NUFC to have a pop at the city itself. Would you care to expand on why it's a "disturbing precedent" or are you just flinging out word salad to feel a bit more smug than you already do? I do wonder considering I don't think what I said was inflammatory enough to warrant such a hysterical reaction, yeah. Not sure how it's sanctimonious or smug to see Newcastle fans online do things like attack Khashoggi's grieving fiance and worry about that level of defensive sentiment spreading if the Saudis improve the area, for example, and how that impacts on the city's reputation. I mean all I've said is that I find the mere idea of that disturbing and you've felt it necessary to attack that opinion, so... Personally, I get offended by the generalisation that most Newcastle fans are like the morons on twitter and more specifically the sort of morons that would tweet a grieving widow. It was a few nobheads who likely acted without thinking. It's also hardly a surprise that the people of Newcastle are excited by the prospect of good football, alongside investment into the area. Do you think SA enters peoples thoughts on a daily basis or indeed would affect their thinking? It's not a generalisation. Like I said in my post, the concern is that that sort of defensive sentiment spreads, and imo it will. If you don't have the same concern that's fine, but I'm not being sanctimonious just for having the opposite opinion. None of us have any idea what's going to happen and how it'll affect the area.

The worlds full of complete morons, it's not unique to football or NUFC (although we probably have more than our fair share). Maybe instead of moaning about them, try to educate the ones that might listen. But what do you want? A fanbase that tries to force the Saudis out (if this happens), or merely an educated fanbase that will not be used as a weapon? If it's the second, then try to engage the ones that are willing to learn? A huge proportion of our fans don't really know anything about the Saudis, MBS etc. The entire point of my post was the bit in bold, although I wouldn't say they're morons, they're just looking after their material interests, as everyone does. Not moaning either, just mentioning something I learned that I think is useful to consider if you're the sort who (like me) couldn't work out why people overlook or side with terrible people/organisations. As for the rest, I was part of SackPardew, AshleyOut, The Magpie Group, am an NUST member, and I volunteer for numerous political campaigns here and abroad, so I do try. Fans weren't willing to walk away from an unsuccessful, spirit crushing Mike Ashley with terrible business practices, so I'm not holding my breath that a potentially cash-splashing, successful MBS would bring better returns. I'd rather put my work to better use, but that doesn't mean I can't share my opinion on a football forum just because it's not praxis.

I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also As I mentioned, that was in response to specific posts and I can post whatever I want. Of course you can, but you're only having the effect of making others dig trenches basically. There has to be a way we can have a more amicable debate here ffs. Sorry, but posters were saying they wanted the Saudis over another potential U.S option and that unless it was someone with Jeff Bezos' wealth they weren't interested. They chose which trench to dig and I thought an edit of SBR's quote, the original of which we're all happy to repeat as representative of being a football supporter, was an effective way to highlight that.

Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange You don't wonder that at all you sanctimonious tit. There's nothing strange about you being held to account when you stray beyond the subject of the ownership of NUFC to have a pop at the city itself. Would you care to expand on why it's a "disturbing precedent" or are you just flinging out word salad to feel a bit more smug than you already do? I do wonder considering I don't think what I said was inflammatory enough to warrant such a hysterical reaction, yeah. Not sure how it's sanctimonious or smug to see Newcastle fans online do things like attack Khashoggi's grieving fiance and worry about that level of defensive sentiment spreading if the Saudis improve the area, for example, and how that impacts on the city's reputation. I mean all I've said is that I find the mere idea of that disturbing and you've felt it necessary to attack that opinion, so...

I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also As I mentioned, that was in response to specific posts and I can post whatever I want.

exact opposite. I honestly feel that this would be a greater benefit to the city than to the club itself. If they do similar to what the Man City owners have done in Manchester then it would be massive for Newcastle and the North East. I’ve said it before, it’s ok living in London and Manchester and saying we should reject this money, but the fact is this area has been deprived of investment for generations. We don’t have a queue of people flocking to invest here. We are not in a position to turn down anyone’s money, look at how NCC are accepting projects in the city of lower quality than is being proposed elsewhere and even in smaller southern towns and cities. You've cut out what I was talking about though? The people now batting for the Saudis. Regeneration is another matter and anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's.

Wrong the noise, passion, feeling of belonging will be greater after this takeover than at any point in the last 13 years. So would having any other owner. Granted but your kidding yourself if you don’t think this takeover has captured the imagination like no other. It could take us to 90’s levels of excitement, something a whole generation of our support have never experienced. In your bubble maybe. Not saying that bubble's not the majority or anything, or that it won't influence the next generation, but I wouldn't count on this being the thing that reunites the existing fan base, this debate will go on for a while and I can see plastics replacing the existing fans who this whole thing doesn't sit right with. Think you’ll be surprised by how many old school lads will make a comeback if he goes. Don’t think the atmosphere as it is at the minute could be any worse. It'll be be interesting to see how it all pans out.

Having your own views is guilt tripping

Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange

I've never delved into the Man City fans outlook on it, but Ricky Hatton is pretty well known for preferring everything pre-take over.

Wrong the noise, passion, feeling of belonging will be greater after this takeover than at any point in the last 13 years. So would having any other owner. Granted but your kidding yourself if you don’t think this takeover has captured the imagination like no other. It could take us to 90’s levels of excitement, something a whole generation of our support have never experienced. In your bubble maybe. Not saying that bubble's not the majority or anything, or that it won't influence the next generation, but I wouldn't count on this being the thing that reunites the existing fan base, this debate will go on for a while and I can see plastics replacing the existing fans who this whole thing doesn't sit right with.

“Don’t ever give up on your club. Keep supporting it, it’s your club and trust me, one day you will get your club back and it will be everything you wanted it to be.” Yes, NUFC being owned by and connected with the Saudi state is presumably what Keegan meant by the club being ours again and it being everything we all want it to be. I think he meant there would be a time when we would compete and have a chance at success again. Not sure he was being specific regarding ownership. I understand your disdain for the new owners and the countries human rights. I agree it’s a massive issue. Perhaps this will be highlighted and acted on as their ownership of our club progresses? You would hope so, but money will always talk and the owners now seem to already have an online army of Newcastle fans lining up to fight on their behalf. Beyond any connection with the football club, I have to say I find that a pretty disturbing precedent for the city like. Who knows though, anything could happen.

I haven't really got the energy to argue/debate with anyone about this and just reading it all honestly gives me a bad head. But I dont subscribe to this at all. Whilst I'm morally conflicted there is not a chance in hell that I've just went "aye f*** human rights, I just want f*** tones of money!". I want Ashley gone first and foremost. If these new owners run it as shoddily as Ashley then I'd aim the exact same criticism at them as I would Ashley now. Is it really that cut and dry, you support your club still then you must shoulder KSA human rights violations and whatever else they do?. So confused where I stand tbh I was getting at the heart of a lot of the comments on here about only wanting an owner with enormous wealth regardless of other factors that I've read over the last few pages tbh mate. It wasn't meant as a wider comment on everyone, just specifically that outlook. Apologies if it was read that way.

Poor people vote for Trump because they want things to be better, it's not that different to Newcastle fans, I suppose you're right there. Difference is, Trump will probably make things worse for them because he's a businessman, and business goals are not usually to put money in poor people's pockets. I'd say the difference is they're selling out a lot less for potentially much more in return tbh. Trump is aesthetically displeasing but has nothing on the Saudis in terms of what he's actually done, and obviously the potential of having a livelihood again means more than your favourite football team having money to sign players. Trump hasn't improved anything for them - no different to any other president, rep or dem, since NAFTA. The difference being that he bothered his arse to acknowledge the problem and lie about helping them whereas the opposition didn't, offered nothing, and continue to offer nothing.

“Don’t ever give up on your club. Keep supporting it, it’s your club and trust me, one day you will get your club back and it will be everything you wanted it to be.” Yes, NUFC being owned by and connected with the Saudi state is presumably what Keegan meant by the club being ours again and it being everything we all want it to be.

Wrong the noise, passion, feeling of belonging will be greater after this takeover than at any point in the last 13 years. So would having any other owner.

If they run the club for profit, stop spending money on players, don't bring success, or the bubble bursts imo. Even then I can't see there ever being any fan base-wide objections on ethical grounds.

Because why would it? Nothing else has done it, why would owning a football club?