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Ref’s call?! Ref’s call was wrong ffs! What the fuck is VAR there for?

Shocking by Gordon. Absolutely no surprise there’s no punishment for Van Dick - res cartel do what they want, especially against us

Jesus, we’re so shit around the box

Controversial take, but isn’t worth us trying to float some of these set pieces? It’s so frustrating watching us do the same thing time after time with no danger at all

We were playing shite in the run up to Man City and Arsenal and we pulled results out of the bag. It would he very 'us' right now if we got something out of this. As someone on Talksport said the other day - we're more Spursy than Spurs at the moment

If the transfer policy changes a bit so we're looking at younger, less PL-proven players with potential, selling Barnes could provide the funds for two players of that ilk. And those two will essentially do the job he is doing at the moment - mostly warming the bench but coming on as an impact sub. Clearly we're in a position where we have to do some smart trading, and if it's a case of selling Bruno, Isak or Barnes to fund new signings, there's a clear front-runner

This is the crux of it. He's a starter in most PL teams below the top 7-8 maybe. It was a strange transfer at the time and it looks like Eddie doesn't really know what to do with him. I can see him getting frustrated at not being a starter, and angling for a move. Might suit both parties tbh

No. Last 10 years maybe but the PL has had some fantastic CBs who excelled in a much more physical league. He's potentially in the conversation but a lot of very good players have been forgotten

And the problem is when you do, you end up looking at trash like Calvert-Lewin

Isak wasn't a ready made guaranteed to get you goals. He was a very good striker but a calculated risk who came from another league, but I would say he's worked out ok. Other teams seem to be able to identify talent from overseas and make them work as well. It's a fucking nonsense! The PL is far more like other continental leagues now than it ever was and players are protected from the physicality that originally defined the PL - that was often the make or break.

I reckon Trippier would struggle in the current setup as well though. He had an on-fire Miggy in front of him when we were at our best, and a movement-based gameplan that worked down that flank. Livra often has Longstaff just inside and bugger all of any consequence on the right wing. He's on a hiding to nothing in an attacking sense

Is Willock an option? He has that burst of pace and acceleration that could get him into the box but he lacks guile and end product. Barnes is another option since he at least has composure in the final third and can shoot with both feet. Clutching at straws a bit though. I think Gordon has to play on the left. It where he has been most effective for us and his form has dropped off since we started moving him around. Isak Gordon Barnes. Murphy? Tonali. Bruno Harsh on Joelinton, and I'd prefer we didn't have to play Murphy but that's what happens when you don't sign a decent RW for 3+ years Maybe we play that at home and something more conservative away (it'll never happen but i'm bored as fuck so why not) Isak Gordon Murphy? Tonali Bruno Joelinton

I go back to my original point - it’s not so much about the results, it’s about the performances. That’s what concerns me. We don’t look like we have any ideas. Our identity has gone, we’re probably the worst team in the league at attacking set pieces despite having a physically imposing team and our ability to unlock a tight defence has all but disappeared. Our one dimension is seemingly too easy to negate. Are we seeing signs that these things are being addressed and are improving? Not to my untrained eye, no. It’s far too early to call the season a dumpster fire but there are some really concerning signs that even the most ardent Eddie fan can’t ignore/deny.

Pretending we are?! What have you been watching because it’s clearly not the same games I, and most others have. Describe our current identity and attacking gameplan? How are we trying to break teams down? As I have said a hundred times on here, I have made no secret of the fact I don’t think Eddie is the guy to take us to the next level. I love him as a person but I think he has already reached his ceiling and bounced off it. Am I willing him to fail? No, of course not. Like everyone, I am willing him to succeed. But do I think we need minor tweaks to go on a winning run that secures European football? again no. I think we need a whole new gameplan. Nothing we are seeing suggests we are close. Do I think Eddie is the kind of guy and manager to rip up the script and do something radically different to give us fresh impetus? No, but I seriously hope he proves me wrong, and if he does I will happily eat humble pie. As things stand, the only way I see us getting back to our best is with new signings. i respect and admire your optimism but I don’t share it. There are too many red flags starting to show.

You keep saying this ‘had we won’ stuff. Had we beaten West Ham, Palace, Fulham, City and Everton we’d be comfortably in the top 4. But we didn’t, which is why we’re 10th. We are currently dropping points to teams we should on-paper be beating, and we look clueless in the process. Saying we’re only x points off x is only relevant if the second x is realistically achievable, which it isn’t if you keep dropping points when you shouldn’t. It’s a snapshot view of a more complex, moving situation. The reality is that if Man City win we’ll be 7 points off third. And all of the teams above us seem far more capable than us at winning games.

Is 10th place really considered ‘in the race for Europe’? By that token, Bournemouth are also in the race for Europe because they’re mid-table too? I’m all for a bit of optimism but that’s reaching a bit.

I get that but we’re not. But for a Man City win last season we’d be in Europe. But for a dodgy decision in the CL we might have gone through. There are a million ifs, buts and maybe. The fact is we’re crap at the moment and we’re getting what we deserve. He’s been hung out to dry with the lack of signings but we still have a squad capable of doing more than it’s doing now.

We haven’t had a shot on target in 166 minutes and look incapable of unlocking defences in most games. We don’t look remotely threatening from corners and our general attacking play is rubbish. We give the ball away a lot - I’d love to see the statistic on our surrender of possession compared to other teams in the league. Nothing we’ve seen for the past 6-8 months suggests we’re a well oiled machine about to go on a winning run. Are you seeing something different to that? Maybe I’m just being too critical 🤷🏻‍♂️

It’s less the results though and more the performances. We have knowledgeable football guys with the ear of the board and if they’re seeing why we’re seeing, he might be closer to the door than you think. If we were showing signs of playing well but not getting the rub of the green, you’d say the tide might turn. But we look totally bereft of ideas regardless who is playing. We’ve been labouring for a good while now and we know he’s not the kind of manager to park the bus and grind out a result just to kickstart some momentum. The only way I see things changing if he gets 2-3 new first teamers in January, which isn’t going to happen. How else is he going to change it?

Only one thing for it then. He’s not going to miraculously turn us into a crack unit. We look out of ideas

My take on it is if we’re not going to make significant signings in January, make a managerial change because he’s take this group of players as far as he can. if we plan to sign no one or we can’t sign anyone, we need fresh ideas and a new direction to inject some life into the existing squad.

Lucky bastard! It was as turgid a performance as you're likely to see. Steve-Bruce esque stuff

We’re more AT threat from our own set pieces than we are a threat.

It is mental that we have a starting Brazil CM and starting Italy CM in the squad, and one of them has to sit on the bench. Nothing should be stopping those two from playing together in our midfield at the moment, especially not Longstaff (all due respect)

We all benefit if he succeeds and when we've had to ensure the likes of Pardew, Kinnear and Bruce, it would amazing to see a true gent like him etched in our history but I just don't see progress, and that concerns me. I love the idea of us having a discernible style that other teams have to combat, but when we're armed with the same players as last season and largely the season before, unless we evolve we become less effective. Pep is the blueprint for managerial success, right?! He retains his footballing philosophies but he continues to evolve his playing style, tactics, setup, in-game management etc. Man City have/had played more long balls from the back than any other team earlier this season. Looking back at his vintage Barca side, the two teams are chalk and cheese but still retain than Pep DNA of moving the ball quickly, crazy movement, taking the ball in tight spaces etc. Obviously we can't all have a Pep, but the points remains - standing still in the PL is going backwards, and I just don't see that anything has changed/evolved/been adapted. Admittedly that is a little sideways step from my original post but it's all loosely around the same point. We play largely the same formation and the same style against everyone but with players they're now used to playing. We have one dimension and when it's negated, we look very ordinary and we don't seem to have a way to change it up.