TheBrownBottle

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It is Christianity's excuse for its innate homophobia that I'm referring to. The standard argument by Christians who don't want to sound like bigots is 'oh, the Bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin - just sex outside of marriage'. Then it refuses to allow same-sex marriage - meaning that any homosexual couple are living in sin as they are living a sexual life outside of marriage. It is moral cowardice.

That’s right, it’s about adultery. Which is why all churches were so pro-gay marriage. They had a problem with it being outside marriage because of what the Bible said. Been to any gay marriages in church recently?

Fuck it, I’m going for a ludicrously unlikely 2-1 win. Because why not? (Apart from literally all the evidence to the contrary)

Was Onan really condemned for spilling his seed?

Yep. ‘Divvunt be a cunt’ is a mantra to live life by

Alcohol sponsors, banking sponsors (usury), etc etc. Not a peep.

Yep, he has access to plenty of platforms to express whatever he wants to express.

Yeah, I do agree generally. I think Guehi is acting like a wally more than anything; I don’t think any player should be coerced into wearing the rainbow armband; and I think that the PL should’ve had a better response prepared than it has. Surely it would have known in advance that something like this might occur? I’ve zero sense of outrage about any of this, it is just something to discuss, and culture war shite is a massive distraction. To me the obvious response to Guehi is to shake your head and think ‘what a wanker’.

Unless you’re a homosexual, presumably. In which case fiery damnation awaits.

A lot of it is distracting ‘culture wars’ nonsense. But there is a negative impact in terms of telling a sizeable proportion of the population that you think that their existence is sinful.

Which is why I’m more comfortable with a refusal to wear it than to scrawl on it. No-one should be forced to wear the rainbow armband; but I’ll also not worry at all about that person being criticised for their refusal. Despite the huge numbers of professional players, the number who’ve ’came out’ is miniscule. How many footballers are known to be religious (and love to bang on about it?). Football - like society - has a problem with homophobia. But football’s is more pronounced than most places. Inclusionary messaging - including public shaming (yes, regardless of sensitivities) - is often what changes the way in which society treats marginalised groups. People are still abused, beaten, and killed because of the simple dint of having been born with same-sex attraction. I’ve no sympathy for bigots referencing the Pauline epistles as a valid reason to exclude an entire group of people.

You’ve got the perfect conversation starter there!

They’re not banned, there’s nothing in rules re gestures. But there are rules re putting messages onto the kit - which is what Guehi did.

Two PL captains appear uncomfortable with wearing rainbow captain’s armbands in support of the Rainbow Laces campaign (see link to Rainbow Laces below). One has refused to wear it point blank; the other has crudely scrawled a religious message on it. Both are receiving criticism for their actions. Unsurprisingly, religious people don’t see an issue with this and believe that fellow believers are being pushed into supporting causes which is contrary to their faith. Others view this as anti-inclusionary and bigoted behaviour. And others fall somewhere in between https://www.premierleague.com/footballandcommunity/RainbowLaces

Sorry SAK, makes sense now

See section 5 - it’s re kit. Doing the Ronaldo ‘Christ the Redeemer’ celebration is fine https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-4---the-players-equipment

Seem to remember that religious messages are banned in football. I do think that the player should have the right to refuse to wear the rainbow armband, which would make a lot more sense than scrawling on an armband. And I have the right to think he’s a bigoted cunt, hiding behind the figure of someone who may not existed and of whom it can be said that if they did exist they said the sum total of sweet fuck all about homosexuality. No-one is arguing against his freedom of religion. That doesn’t give you the right to proselytise in the workplace, though. His rights to do what he chooses in his free time are not impacted.

Tbf Sven’s business would boom if they sponsored the bog doors in the Gallowgate. So at least one of those involved would still be winning.

I know it is - but in fairness, your timelines keep slipping - you said you’d judge at the end of the summer. It’s Xmas in a couple of weeks. The point is that official announcements may never occur. We haven’t managed to onboard a training kit sponsor in three years, but I’m sure that with the big calls they’ll absolutely nail them.

Everything Lotus wrote is what mates of mine who’ve worked for VERY big clients in KSA have also said. ‘Wait and see’ misses the point - this is how that country is run and operates. Sometimes decisions are never made, sometimes they are made so late as to be ineffective. Sitting on your hands is still an action. Yes, the stadium would take time - but there is (and has been) radio silence generally (which plenty of us anticipated when the owners took over - again, it’s not a govt built on efficiency). I think many expected that them having megabucks would mean that they’re all financial whizzes - they’re not. NB PIF is worth less than Norway’s sovereign wealth fund - and Norway’s is built on North Sea oil rather than the insane volume produced by KSA. Mainly because one of those funds is well-run …

4-3-3 could be argued to be the perfect formation - it is the total football formation, requiring skill, intelligence and yes, athleticism. Michels and Cruyff favoured it with good reason. We saw it work best when players could switch positions - which is why Burn at LB wasn’t at all the disaster that lots made out, and why Joelinton and Willock on the left switching out made it work. It doesn’t work well with a player sat in a holding role and not moving forwards, with full back who won’t overlap, and with wingers and midfielders not moving to cover other positions. That’s what we were doing well and it’s in part why we have seen such a drop-off - we’re not playing as you’re required to in that formation. We lack guile and movement. 4-2–3-1 was always a blandly defensive formation, and no less reliant on athleticism. It produces miserable football. Hence our old mate the king used it during his time at SJP. And it absolutely needs a ‘10’, which we don’t have. The problem we have is that we don’t have the personnel to play either particularly well. edit: and it’s also why our transfer policy deserves criticism and scrutiny. The squad build hasn’t been great, and we have a ‘lop-sided’ squad not built for any particular form of football. Which is why DoF exist and you don’t give a manager complete power at a football club. Staveley and co overindulged Howe.

We do nowt with that line-up. Barnes at 10? He doesn’t have anything like the vision to play there. His entire game is cutting in and shooting. That midfield ends up 30 yards behind the three wingers playing behind the forward. Looks like a mess to me.