TheBrownBottle

Robson deserved to go and was sacked far, far too late. The players turned on him as much as anything. Piss poor away form, indifferent home performances and some bad signings finished him. NUFC’s poor timing and even worse idea of a replacement was the issue, not showing Robson the door Agree that we don’t know PIF’s thoughts though. edit: also, no-one ‘hounded’ Robson out, regardless of what RTG says. People didn’t stay for a lap of honour vs Wolves, after we chucked away 4th. Neither did I, the beer wasn’t going to drink itself.

Ferguson wouldn’t have got six months in the PL era, they were different times. And I’m not sure that simply sticking with a manager who’s failed because they’ll come good because Ferguson did isn’t that strong an argument. Besides, Ferguson’s Aberdeen won two league titles and won a European final vs Real Madrid. The bloke had previous. (This is not an argument for getting rid of Howe. Any talk of the bloke being under pressure atm is crackers).

Likewise - though I find myself curious as to what the bullshit story is

True, Luton have only 5 points from 24 at home. Which is shite and relegation form. Newcastle’s away points this season? 5 from 24. Which is shite and relegation form. We’re in for a classic!

Howard Wilkinson at the beginning there - a man who was in the original version of the ‘We’re in Milan-io’ song, long forgotten in terms of the song (which no longer works without the second part of the verse: ‘we’re in Milan-io, Sunderland’s going down yer know, we’re in the San Siro, they’ve sacked sgt. wilko’). Wilkinson was sacked while we were there. Never thought that chant worked quite as well without the second part.

That’ll dee for me

Cheers haha - and all because I’m irrationally irritated by the nonsense use of numbers to describe positions And your explanation of numbering in Brazilian football simply added to it - the numbering system changed in different football cultures. So I get annoyed at the obvious pretentiousness of describing a ‘6’ in English football, when that number never matched the position described (while arguing against it in the most pretentious way possible)

Yep. Trippier was an incredible signing, and he was a boost and played really well in his six appearances that season - but he was injured in early Feb when the table looked like it did below. He definitely didn’t keep us up ‘single-handed’; I’m not keen on re-writing history. We were still in the clarts when he played his last game that year.

That makes sense that Brazil would have that number sequencing - W-M was in use when Brazil first adopted numbers. So: 11 9 7 10 8 6 5 4 3 2 And W-M was often really a 3-2-5, which makes it clearer: 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 So they would have moved the left-half to left back, so the 6 is the new LB. The inside right is moved into midfield, because in Brazil 4-2-4 becomes the norm in the mid-50s after W-M loses favour. In England, the numbers were first introduced when W-M was somewhat established, but many teams would still line up in the only formation football had actually had for over half a century - 2-3-5 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 In England (UK generally), the centre-half (5) first slotted into centre-back, then when W-M became 4-4-2 in the late 50s, the 6 (left-half) also became a CB, with the inside right slotting into midfield - usually RCM. So the 4 & 8 were your centre mids TBF it was mainly in France and Germany were the ‘6’ was a midfielder and the ‘4’ a centre back. Which is why football hipsters love wanking on about ‘number 6s’ - as if a defensive midfielder who can play a bit is an invention of mainland Europe. Therefore, anyone who calls a defensive mid a ‘6’ is immediately suspicious and should be treated with extreme caution (I’m joking!) edit: for anyone who actually managed to get through that and somehow is curious as to why the team numbers seem to go backwards, that’s because football formations were usually shown in the inverse of what they are today - often in the program the two teams would be shown as if they were on the pitch against each other. So: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11

Aye, the poor bugger probably would at the moment

Best thing about football - the disappointment doesn’t last because there’s always another game soon after

Also, hopefully if Trippier plays, he channels what another great NUFC right back did at Luton instead of fluffing a clearance …

*sigh* back to the grind of league football Could do with an away win to cheer me up before Xmas. I think we’ll get it, as well. 1-3 for me

It’s more that the reason that Hall’s transfer is permanent in the summer is to avoid FFP restrictions in the current football financial year. So his permanent transfer doesn’t hit the FFP books until the 24/25 season. Cancelling his transfer will have zero impact on what we can spend in January, as anything spent in Jan will be on the 23/24 season books. FFP doesn’t run by calendar year - it’s not rolling in the sense of a moving 36 month window

We’re all guessing because Howe isn’t likely to come out with what he thinks on it. But if the lad isn’t getting mins when we can’t field a fit XI, then there is absolutely a rabbit off.

Hall not signing in the summer doesn’t free up any FFP funds in January

The injuries aren’t coincidental nor are they bad luck. We haven’t adjusted our style of play particularly well to accommodate the fixtures. We go hell for leather at home and cower away because we’re fucked. This can’t continue - we could spend £400m in the summer but if we have the same number of fixtures the same thing will happen again.

Yep, those injuries keep racking up. It really, really does need looking into.

Playing like this for 90 mins is just inviting this sort of thing happening. Our away form is just incredibly poor

Yep. Wolves away was a classic example. He’s not been particularly well managed.

Got to start Livramento when all are fit. Trippier needs some time out - poor sod looks cooked. I’m fucking annoyed still with that soft shite goal at the end, but he’s clearly not right atm

Quarters

Baaals

Shite

Was missing that all day long. Weird run up.