Middlesbrough 2 - 2 Newcastle - 26/08/07 - Post match reaction from page 18

[Guest black]

Tabloid papers accusing people of racisim, wonder what fuels peoples ignorance in the first place. 

 

Rappers?

 

Guns don't kill people wappers do!

 

If you really want to know whom to blame > well Bush is another word for cunt.

[PCW1983]

I find it somewhat amusing to think that boro will no doubt get on their high horse about the mido chants im not defending the people who sang it but this is the same club that sang "town full of pakki's" and made monkey noises when they visited St James last year....I'd be willing to be Mr Southgate cant remember that little expression of support from his teams "supporters"

[Guest Bramble OG]

Cant remeber any anti mido songs before he scored..maybe iam wrong?..thats why i was so confussed he decided to celebrate his goal with us rather than his own fans...cant stand the bloke.

[Guest Geordiesned]

I find it somewhat amusing to think that boro will no doubt get on their high horse about the mido chants im not defending the people who sang it but this is the same club that sang "town full of pakki's" and made monkey noises when they visited St James last year....I'd be willing to be Mr Southgate cant remember that little expression of support from his teams "supporters"

 

They're not the only team to have sung that particular song though are they...

[Guest Geordiesned]

Mido jibes fury

[jack j]

two faced/headed twats man the biggest shitehole in the country

[PCW1983]

I find it somewhat amusing to think that boro will no doubt get on their high horse about the mido chants im not defending the people who sang it but this is the same club that sang "town full of pakki's" and made monkey noises when they visited St James last year....I'd be willing to be Mr Southgate cant remember that little expression of support from his teams "supporters"

 

They're not the only team to have sung that particular song though are they...

 

No they arent but if you play with fire your ganna get burned !!

[Guest Geordiesned]

I find it somewhat amusing to think that boro will no doubt get on their high horse about the mido chants im not defending the people who sang it but this is the same club that sang "town full of pakki's" and made monkey noises when they visited St James last year....I'd be willing to be Mr Southgate cant remember that little expression of support from his teams "supporters"

 

They're not the only team to have sung that particular song though are they...

 

No they arent but if you play with fire your ganna get burned !!

 

I'm sorry but I fail to see how another team singing racist or bigoted songs is defence for anyone else to similar back to them!

[PCW1983]

I find it somewhat amusing to think that boro will no doubt get on their high horse about the mido chants im not defending the people who sang it but this is the same club that sang "town full of pakki's" and made monkey noises when they visited St James last year....I'd be willing to be Mr Southgate cant remember that little expression of support from his teams "supporters"

 

They're not the only team to have sung that particular song though are they...

 

No they arent but if you play with fire your ganna get burned !!

 

I'm sorry but I fail to see how another team singing racist or bigoted songs is defence for anyone else to similar back to them!

 

Yeah i see what you mean and i agree, when i read that post back i realised how it must look...there is no defence for it and it shouldnt go on but we all know it does, my point is Southgate is in all the papers today condeming it (rightly so) however would he say anything about his own fans doing it, i think not

[Thespence]

Most Newcastle fans are not Islamophobic, maybe a few are Midophobic

[Guest Geordiesned]

I find it somewhat amusing to think that boro will no doubt get on their high horse about the mido chants im not defending the people who sang it but this is the same club that sang "town full of pakki's" and made monkey noises when they visited St James last year....I'd be willing to be Mr Southgate cant remember that little expression of support from his teams "supporters"

 

They're not the only team to have sung that particular song though are they...

 

No they arent but if you play with fire your ganna get burned !!

 

I'm sorry but I fail to see how another team singing racist or bigoted songs is defence for anyone else to similar back to them!

 

Yeah i see what you mean and i agree, when i read that post back i realised how it must look...there is no defence for it and it shouldnt go on but we all know it does, my point is Southgate is in all the papers today condeming it (rightly so) however would he say anything about his own fans doing it, i think not

 

Fair enough. I do think this was more of an ignorance issue as well tbh. I'll bet the majority of people chanting the terrorist stuff yesterday never even thought about how it would be construed.

[PCW1983]

I find it somewhat amusing to think that boro will no doubt get on their high horse about the mido chants im not defending the people who sang it but this is the same club that sang "town full of pakki's" and made monkey noises when they visited St James last year....I'd be willing to be Mr Southgate cant remember that little expression of support from his teams "supporters"

 

They're not the only team to have sung that particular song though are they...

 

No they arent but if you play with fire your ganna get burned !!

 

I'm sorry but I fail to see how another team singing racist or bigoted songs is defence for anyone else to similar back to them!

 

Yeah i see what you mean and i agree, when i read that post back i realised how it must look...there is no defence for it and it shouldnt go on but we all know it does, my point is Southgate is in all the papers today condeming it (rightly so) however would he say anything about his own fans doing it, i think not

 

Fair enough. I do think this more of an ignorance issue as well tbh. I'll bet the majority of people chanting the terrorist stuff yesterday never even thought about how it would be construed.

 

It the evolved form of racism, Pakki's and whatnot are old jokes with the middle-east thing kicking off again its all relavent to the people who sing it....simple minds look for simple answers

[Guest fraser]

There's no doubt that the racist chanting was wrong. It is, however, easy to slip into it in a passionate away match where judgement occasionally deserts us, offered as explanation not excuse.

 

Southgate himself showed how easy it is to stereotype though when he defended Mido's actions by saying he had been abused by 3 000. In the first place there wasn't quite that many of us there and in the second not everybody sang it; I didn't, others around me didn't.

[NSG]

Lovely Louise Taylor's headline from her match report for The Guardian:

 

"Arca gives Boro spark to silence bigoted Geordie fans"

 

Football's simultaneous ability to enthral and appal was encapsulated on an afternoon when Julio Arca's bewitching passing could not quite erase the depression imposed by the moronic behaviour of some Newcastle fans. Listening to them persistently subject Mido, Middlesbrough's new Egyptian striker, to vile and ignorant Islamophobic abuse detracted from a compelling game that was dominated by Gareth Southgate's gloriously creative side.

Few managers would even contemplate fielding two South American playmakers in central midfield against a team coached by Sam Allardyce but Southgate dared to be different yesterday. His bold decision to pair Arca and Fabio Rochemback, men known for the quality of their touch rather than enforcement credentials, saw Boro largely out-pass and out-class Newcastle in a game they really should have won.

 

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,2156856,00.html

 

What a load of balls

 

They were the only players he had.

 

Guardian is a shite paper like.

[NSG]

That Guardian report in full:

 

Football's simultaneous ability to enthral and appal was encapsulated on an afternoon when Julio Arca's bewitching passing could not quite erase the depression imposed by the moronic behaviour of some Newcastle fans. Listening to them persistently subject Mido, Middlesbrough's new Egyptian striker, to vile and ignorant Islamophobic abuse detracted from a compelling game that was dominated by Gareth Southgate's gloriously creative side.

 

Few managers would even contemplate fielding two South American playmakers in central midfield against a team coached by Sam Allardyce but Southgate dared to be different yesterday. His bold decision to pair Arca and Fabio Rochemback, men known for the quality of their touch rather than enforcement credentials, saw Boro largely out-pass and out-class Newcastle in a game they really should have won.

 

"I'm very proud, we're a side that looks good; we've tried to pass, we've tried to attack, there's a lot of good signs," enthused the home manager, whose game plan contrasted sharply with Allardyce's more direct, generally utilitarian, approach. "Julio and Fabio showed vision and quality."

 

Southgate's tone turned frostier when he was asked about Mido's treatment. Fed up with being stereotyped as a terrorist bomber in a barrage of anti-Arab abuse, the Egyptian celebrated his first-half goal by walking over to the away fans and pressing a finger tight to his lips. Adhering, pedantically, to the strict letter of the law, Mike Dean booked him.

 

"I find it strange that 3,000 people can abuse one person and nothing is done. On the other hand, when the boot is on the other foot, it gets him into trouble. In terms of civil liberties I find that strange," said Southgate. "We had to calm Mido down at the end of the first half."

 

What a shame the Egyptian's tormentors did not simply celebrate Charles N'Zogbia's stunning opening goal for Newcastle. Assuming possession wide on the left and well outside the area, he did not initially appear to present any great threat to Middlesbrough but cut inside George Boateng before traversing along the edge of the 18-yard box and, finally, unleashing a shot with his supposedly weaker right foot which curled into the top corner.

 

Undeterred, Boro stuck to their passing guns and, when Mido chested down one of Rochemback's through-balls he proceeded to shrug off Steven Taylor's lunging tackle before taking the ball beyond the advancing Steve Harper for his second goal in two games. Almost immediately Harper was diving at full stretch, first to tip a Rochemback drive to safety and then to palm an Arca shot round the base of a post, but Allardyce's side menaced on the break and in the second half Mark Viduka - fiercely booed by his formerly adoring Boro public - gave them another lead.

 

It arrived shortly after the ineffective Obafemi Martins was replaced by Michael Owen but the England striker was a spectator as Viduka chested down Geremi's lofted ball into the area before out-muscling Jonathan Woodgate and directing the ball into the bottom corner.

 

It was a rare occasion when Woodgate - impressing in his first game since knee surgery in May - was outwitted by his former team-mate, who provoked anger from Steve Gibson. Furious about Viduka's claims that Boro were slow in offering him a new contract last season, the club's chairman responded: "We spoke to Mark and his agent last Christmas and I was told very early that it was about money and he'd go to the highest bidder."

 

Gibson's mood was improved 10 minutes from time when the game's principal creative influence enjoyed the final word, Arca turning deftly and dispatching an angled half-volley past Harper after Rochemback's initial pass had caused consternation among Newcastle's defence.

 

"We're bitterly disappointed," said Allardyce, who lost Stephen Carr to a hamstring strain and saw his replacement Peter Ramage sustain a potentially serious knee injury. "When you get in front twice you should never surrender a win. We switched off at the wrong times and didn't do the basic job right. The injuries might take us ferociously into the transfer market this week."

 

In contrast Southgate is "not bothered" about new signings, and with Arca, Rochemback, Woodgate and Mido in this kind of form, no one should argue.

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Middlesbrough were in such stunning and glorious form that they were delighted with a 2-2 draw with a team under construction that played quite poorly.

 

No way in the world were the smogs "glorious"

[Guest Andrew Flintoff]

Taylor is a well-known Mackem slag so no surprise by her so called match report

[merlin]

Lovely Louise Taylor's headline from her match report for The Guardian:

 

"Arca gives Boro spark to silence bigoted Geordie fans"

 

Football's simultaneous ability to enthral and appal was encapsulated on an afternoon when Julio Arca's bewitching passing could not quite erase the depression imposed by the moronic behaviour of some Newcastle fans. Listening to them persistently subject Mido, Middlesbrough's new Egyptian striker, to vile and ignorant Islamophobic abuse detracted from a compelling game that was dominated by Gareth Southgate's gloriously creative side.

Few managers would even contemplate fielding two South American playmakers in central midfield against a team coached by Sam Allardyce but Southgate dared to be different yesterday. His bold decision to pair Arca and Fabio Rochemback, men known for the quality of their touch rather than enforcement credentials, saw Boro largely out-pass and out-class Newcastle in a game they really should have won.

 

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,2156856,00.html

 

What a load of balls

 

They were the only players he had.

 

Guardian is a s**** paper like.

 

Spot on - its a rubbish paper, read by would-be Commies who are really Champagne Socialists.

The Mido thing is right up their street - they were probably secretly clapping their hands when the 9/11 atrocity happened.

[Wallace]

I was embarrassed by what some of our fans were singing.  It was a sizeable minority but no-one around me was singing along.  I resent Southgate implying that all 3000 fans were singing such things.

 

I hate the paedo stuff as well but the "racist" stuff did not start until after he scored and it became apparent that the he was being wound up by the paedo taunts. 

[Keefaz]

I think the terrorist stuff is out of order and does us no favours whatsoever. Nice that Ashley chose this as the first match to attend: wonder what he made of it?

[Guest Andrew Flintoff]

He looks like the Shoe Bomber - so people sing about him having a bomb.

 

His name rhymes with Paedo, and he plays in the city with the Marietta Higgs lark still lingering over it - so Mido is a Paedo is sang.

 

It's not racist, it's a set of circumstances, otherwise Tuncay would've been getting the same shit, surely?

[Guest Pie]

He looks like the Shoe Bomber - so people sing about him having a bomb.

 

His name rhymes with Paedo, and he plays in the city with the Marietta Higgs lark still lingering over it - so Mido is a Paedo is sang.

 

It's not racist, it's a set of circumstances, otherwise Tuncay would've been getting the same s***, surely?

It was.

[Keefaz]

He does look like the shoe bomber, like.

[Guest Andrew Flintoff]

Racism is deliberate targetting of one type of race, n'est-ce pas? This was one fella who looked like the shoe bomber.

 

This country is full of people trying to attatch the racism tag to everything they can in attempt to get a moral foothold.

[OzzieMandias]

Racism is deliberate targetting of one type of race, n'est-ce pas? This was one fella who looked like the shoe bomber.

 

This country is full of people trying to attatch the racism tag to everything they can in attempt to get a moral foothold.

Racism is deliberate targetting of one type of race, n'est-ce pas? This was one fella who looked like the shoe bomber.

 

This country is full of people trying to attatch the racism tag to everything they can in attempt to get a moral foothold.

 

One might equally suggest that the country is full of morons who are aware of their own bigotry only to the point that they start whining when someone calls them on it.

[McCormick]

That Guardian report in full:

 

Football's simultaneous ability to enthral and appal was encapsulated on an afternoon when Julio Arca's bewitching passing could not quite erase the depression imposed by the moronic behaviour of some Newcastle fans. Listening to them persistently subject Mido, Middlesbrough's new Egyptian striker, to vile and ignorant Islamophobic abuse detracted from a compelling game that was dominated by Gareth Southgate's gloriously creative side.

 

Few managers would even contemplate fielding two South American playmakers in central midfield against a team coached by Sam Allardyce but Southgate dared to be different yesterday. His bold decision to pair Arca and Fabio Rochemback, men known for the quality of their touch rather than enforcement credentials, saw Boro largely out-pass and out-class Newcastle in a game they really should have won.

 

"I'm very proud, we're a side that looks good; we've tried to pass, we've tried to attack, there's a lot of good signs," enthused the home manager, whose game plan contrasted sharply with Allardyce's more direct, generally utilitarian, approach. "Julio and Fabio showed vision and quality."

 

Southgate's tone turned frostier when he was asked about Mido's treatment. Fed up with being stereotyped as a terrorist bomber in a barrage of anti-Arab abuse, the Egyptian celebrated his first-half goal by walking over to the away fans and pressing a finger tight to his lips. Adhering, pedantically, to the strict letter of the law, Mike Dean booked him.

 

"I find it strange that 3,000 people can abuse one person and nothing is done. On the other hand, when the boot is on the other foot, it gets him into trouble. In terms of civil liberties I find that strange," said Southgate. "We had to calm Mido down at the end of the first half."

 

What a shame the Egyptian's tormentors did not simply celebrate Charles N'Zogbia's stunning opening goal for Newcastle. Assuming possession wide on the left and well outside the area, he did not initially appear to present any great threat to Middlesbrough but cut inside George Boateng before traversing along the edge of the 18-yard box and, finally, unleashing a shot with his supposedly weaker right foot which curled into the top corner.

 

Undeterred, Boro stuck to their passing guns and, when Mido chested down one of Rochemback's through-balls he proceeded to shrug off Steven Taylor's lunging tackle before taking the ball beyond the advancing Steve Harper for his second goal in two games. Almost immediately Harper was diving at full stretch, first to tip a Rochemback drive to safety and then to palm an Arca shot round the base of a post, but Allardyce's side menaced on the break and in the second half Mark Viduka - fiercely booed by his formerly adoring Boro public - gave them another lead.

 

It arrived shortly after the ineffective Obafemi Martins was replaced by Michael Owen but the England striker was a spectator as Viduka chested down Geremi's lofted ball into the area before out-muscling Jonathan Woodgate and directing the ball into the bottom corner.

 

It was a rare occasion when Woodgate - impressing in his first game since knee surgery in May - was outwitted by his former team-mate, who provoked anger from Steve Gibson. Furious about Viduka's claims that Boro were slow in offering him a new contract last season, the club's chairman responded: "We spoke to Mark and his agent last Christmas and I was told very early that it was about money and he'd go to the highest bidder."

 

Gibson's mood was improved 10 minutes from time when the game's principal creative influence enjoyed the final word, Arca turning deftly and dispatching an angled half-volley past Harper after Rochemback's initial pass had caused consternation among Newcastle's defence.

 

"We're bitterly disappointed," said Allardyce, who lost Stephen Carr to a hamstring strain and saw his replacement Peter Ramage sustain a potentially serious knee injury. "When you get in front twice you should never surrender a win. We switched off at the wrong times and didn't do the basic job right. The injuries might take us ferociously into the transfer market this week."

 

In contrast Southgate is "not bothered" about new signings, and with Arca, Rochemback, Woodgate and Mido in this kind of form, no one should argue.

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Middlesbrough were in such stunning and glorious form that they were delighted with a 2-2 draw with a team under construction that played quite poorly.

 

No way in the world were the smogs "glorious"

 

 

 

that just pisses me right off.. the whole thing is utter b*llocks...