Guest Knightrider Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I could only assume that Ramage is kept due to his seniority, and perhaps due to the fact that none came in for him. I think in some cases, physicality, effort and mentality is worth more to a manager than raw talent that needs nurtured, especially as these very things are key facets of the Premiership and therefore always required, where as talent needing nurtured can have it's drawbacks. This is why players like Ramage with no real ability whatsoever, continue to get games at the highest level, more often that not. Talent by it's very design is precarious and this translates to inconsistency and high maintenance. Ramage and his like are neither and easier to manage and make use. To certain clubs and managers I must stress. We aren't unique in that btw. Man Utd have their own versions of Ramage having let better talent go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 In these days, any youngster coming through has to really show in his first half dozen games that he's got something special that will make him make it at the top level. It's a tough ask. Huntington never really showed that he had the raw ability that could be nutured into anything other than "emergency back up player". Gormless Glenn didnt do him any favours with the Alkmaar debacle, that sort of horror show could really affect a youngsters confidence. I also heard on the grapevine that he had a pretty arrogant attitude and thought he'd made it- witness his daft "ear to the crowd" celebration when he scored at Spurs. I bet the Spurs fans where asking themselves, "who the hell is thtat?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 In these days, any youngster coming through has to really show in his first half dozen games that he's got something special that will make him make it at the top level. It's a tough ask. Huntington never really showed that he had the raw ability that could be nutured into anything other than "emergency back up player". Gormless Glenn didnt do him any favours with the Alkmaar debacle, that sort of horror show could really affect a youngsters confidence. I also heard on the grapevine that he had a pretty arrogant attitude and thought he'd made it- witness his daft "ear to the crowd" celebration when he scored at Spurs. I bet the Spurs fans where asking themselves, "who the hell is thtat?" Arrogance or youthful joy? Perhaps we've created this "you've made it" culture given that they pretty much have to within a few games these days, to get on the top-flight footy playing map. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I don't think .... of course the game itself. HTT, it is a long post some of your points you made I agree some I don't. My reply is rather a post on my opinions on certain areas I feel more strongly, than say, a retort to your points. 1st paragraph: Striker's most important attribute is finishing HTT. A standout finisher means that you are a standout striker (Fowler, Owen, RVN), of course unless you are unproportionately poor in other attributes. Chopra only lacks physicality. 2nd: I disagree. Some people are more talented, some less. 3. Chelsea could afford to turn away slow kids, because they select the very best even at academy level. I don't think Newcastle should have the same practice. If we would make the same stance perhaps we are only ever to get the second hand talents unwanted by the biggest clubs. We should take whoever has an outstanding talent and try to exploit this particular area or make him more rounded. The probability of talents coming through would perhaps be even smaller but if one does come through the talent level would be higher. 4. I agree very much with your sentiments regarding young players and clubs wanting instant results. 5. By the way, I class Shola in the same category as your Ramage. He was played ahead of Chopra because he was much better physically, and he was much easier to use and exploit, even though he is evidently less talented as Chopra. Still I don't think Ramage is any much better than Huntington in any particular aspect. He is not pacier than Huntington. He is stronger, but full back doesn't need to possess plenty of strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Without reading this whole thread Delima but you do know Huntington is a CB don't you? I don't think it was a case out of him or Ramage, I think it was a case out of him or Edgar and Edgar impressed the most, I thought he was excellent against Hull. Like Ramage or not he could do a job if we were desperate at the back, I don't think Huntington was at that level yet and someone was needed for this season, realistically though neither of them had a future at this club beyond this season and I think Edgar will have to do well if he's to make a career here too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I do know that Huntington is a CB. What are you trying to say? Just for your info I also realise that Ramage is a CB by trade, and both were played out of position at full back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I do know that Huntington is a CB. What are you trying to say? Just for your info I also realise that Ramage is a CB by trade, and both were played out of position at full back. It's just you were talking about Huntington not needing the strength for a fullback, I didn't know if you knew that was his natural position or not. Don't be so defensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 It's just you were talking about Huntington not needing the strength for a fullback, I didn't know if you knew that was his natural position or not. If you read my previous post I compared Huntington and Ramage to Babayaro and Carr. I didn't know that you didn't read my previous post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 SHOCKED Cumbrian soccer star Paul Huntington says raging Carlisle United fans have threatened to KILL him after his controversial behaviour in Saturday’s League One clash at Elland Road. Leeds United’s Carlisle-born defender infuriated the travelling fans from his home city by repeatedly brandishing his badge and making offensive gestures in their direction as the Yorkshire side came back to win 3-2. Huntington, who also clashed with Carlisle assistant manager Greg Abbott after the final whistle, today apologised to the United faithful for his antics and admitted he had been “stupid”. But he revealed that the backlash in Cumbria, which saw his mobile phone number passed around angry Carlisle fans on the internet on Saturday night, had turned sinister. “My girlfriend and sister have had quite a lot of threats, and people have been saying they are going to kill me when I come home,” he told News & Star Sport. “You don’t know whether to take that seriously but it’s worrying to hear.” Former Trinity School boy Huntington, 20, turned to face Carlisle’s 1,710 travelling fans in the 28,530 crowd after each of Leeds’ three second-half goals, prompting some to report him to police officers for inciting the away support. “I was stupid to do it,” he said. “It was heat of the moment and I went over the top. I haven’t got anything against the Carlisle fans and they are within their rights to be angry and not to let it go. “I just hope they can accept my apology because I’m genuinely sorry for what happened. “The last thing I wanted to do was offend anyone. I should have held my emotions inside and kept quiet. “I was distraught after the game because I knew I shouldn’t have done it. On the way home my girlfriend said she’d never seen that side of me. I’m not that type of person. “I want to apologise to the Carlisle staff as well if I aggravated them. It was unacceptable and I apologise to the whole club.” Former Newcastle United youngster Huntington said he had hundreds of friends and family both in the home and away seats on Saturday and his initial displays of emotion were directed at them, before he went over the top. “Scott Dobie’s my half-cousin and I was speaking to him a lot, and I know Danny Graham quite well,” he added. “But a few of the other Carlisle players were giving me stick on the pitch because I’m from Carlisle. “I was a bit wound up, and with us losing for a long part of the game it was a bit frustrating. But that’s no excuse. “People might think I’m a big-head or arrogant now but I’m normally a laid-back lad. It has backfired on me and on my family and that’s the last thing I wanted to happen. “When we went into training on Sunday morning for a warm-down was down, the first thing Neil McDonald told me was to change my number because he had heard the messageboards were being quite aggressive towards me. “The gaffer (Gary McAllister) said everyone makes mistakes and it just happened to me on Saturday. If I had my time again, I wouldn’t do it. “I always used to come and watch Carlisle when I was a young lad and whenever I wasn’t playing much at Newcastle. It’s still the first result I look for.” http://www.news-and-star.co.uk/news/1.86576 Todays Chron has nabbed bits from the above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 They gave him a good reception pre-season n all when he came on so a nice way to repay them. Rare that he actually gets a game for Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Live and learn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Death threats are obviously the actions of morons but he's bang out of order taunting the Carlisle fans. Don Hutchison-tastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 I work with a Carlisle fan and he was at the match. He told me yesterday about this. Apparently Huntington was even giving the Carlisle fans abuse when CARLISLE scored! Silly boy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Got a few mates who are Luton fans, they hold me Huntington was acting a complete prick when Leeds were at Kenilworth road. Seems to be a bit of a Billy big biscuits! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 iam supprised he had time to bother with fans, he seemed to spend any break in play fiddling with his hair and socks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 iam supprised he had time to bother with fans, he seemed to spend any break in play fiddling with his hair and socks. Tucking his shirt half in n all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Very ordinary player who thinks he's something special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Hunty's proper rock like http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/70/EMP-4871405.jpg "Come on the chaps, watch those slide challenges and my hair, note how I have pristine socks, and we'll have tea and crumpets afterwards at Powerhouse" "My haircut brings all the boys to the yard.." Etc etc, it's too easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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