Begbie Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Krul for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Both of them are shite at saving long shots. what utter bullshit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Both good shot stoppers With them being goalkeepers you would hope so. I wonder if some managers have ever dropped a keeper who is a good shot stopper, because the other keeper is excellent at catching crosses but is very poor at shot stopping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Made a great save yesterday. Basically. I like the guy, but he never should be first choice at this club. By the time Given's finished, Harper will have done a year previous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Don't see how he can be dropped. What kind of message would it send out? 'Doesn't matter how well you're playing, I'll pick the established players regardless'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Don't see how he can be dropped. What kind of message would it send out? 'Doesn't matter how well you're playing, I'll pick the better players regardless'? FYP. Harper's playing well but Given will play better. We've been in this situation several times before over the past ten years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Don't see how he can be dropped. What kind of message would it send out? 'Doesn't matter how well you're playing, I'll pick the established players regardless'? That's what happened last season and look how we struggled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Don't see how he can be dropped. What kind of message would it send out? 'Doesn't matter how well you're playing, I'll pick the established players regardless'? That's what happened last season and look how we struggled. Yeah! Proving my point in my previous post, people were asking this exact same question when Given was injured last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Don't see how he can be dropped. What kind of message would it send out? 'Doesn't matter how well you're playing, I'll pick the established players regardless'? That's what happened last season and look how we struggled. Exactly Mick I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 I think it's different for goalkeepers. There needs to be continuity so a relationship between the defence and the keeper is established. I'd feel much better if it was Given who's first choice. Harper's kicking is frustrating and dodgy and like someone's mentioned, he won't make the saves Shay will make (like the Anelka goal, which I reckon Given would have saved). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Both of them are s**** at saving long shots. what utter bullshit It is the weakest part of Shays game for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 I think it's different for goalkeepers. There needs to be continuity so a relationship between the defence and the keeper is established. I'd feel much better if it was Given who's first choice. Harper's kicking is frustrating and dodgy and like someone's mentioned, he won't make the saves Shay will make (like the Anelka goal, which I reckon Given would have saved). Given kicks no better than Harper, if we're going to pick up on individual mistakes, they both make them. I don't see a lot of difference between the two keepers when they've both had a good run of games. I like both keepers but would reward Harper because he hasn't let us down, he deserves games more than anybody else at our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Both of them are s**** at saving long shots. what utter bullshit It is the weakest part of Shays game for me. I would say the weakest part of his game is command of the box and kicking. As someone said, if you want an example of a keeper who is poor with long shots look at Robinson! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 keeper threads here are always full of shit.. fuck you all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 As someone said, if you want an example of a keeper who is poor with long shots look at Robinson! I don't need to look at Robinson but cheers for suggesting him as a example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Both of them are s**** at saving long shots. what utter bullshit It is the weakest part of Shays game for me. you think he's BETTER at controlling his area and his defence?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 you think he's BETTER at controlling his area and his defence?? The morons in front of him have been uncontrollable, Shilton could not of controlled them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kenton Magpie Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 If Harper had any real ambition he would have packed his bags and upped sticks long ago instead of sitting in Shay's shadow Harpers ambition might be to play regularly for Newcastle, how would packing his bags help him achieve that? How? it isn’t a hard one to come up with an answer for, if he makes a move to another club which will require him to pack his bags he is going to get far more games under his belt than he is living under the Messiah's shadow see that word that starts with "N" and ends with "castle"? obviously not. IMO it should be done by overall form in training and matches. If harper has 1 bad game but overall has been playing very well, and has been doing just as good as shay in training, he plays. Are you trying to insult my intelligence? If you are well done! Because I cannot see what you are driving at by the bit in bold above… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 If Harper had any real ambition he would have packed his bags and upped sticks long ago instead of sitting in Shay's shadow Harpers ambition might be to play regularly for Newcastle, how would packing his bags help him achieve that? How? it isn’t a hard one to come up with an answer for, if he makes a move to another club which will require him to pack his bags he is going to get far more games under his belt than he is living under the Messiah's shadow see that word that starts with "N" and ends with "castle"? obviously not. IMO it should be done by overall form in training and matches. If harper has 1 bad game but overall has been playing very well, and has been doing just as good as shay in training, he plays. Are you trying to insult my intelligence? If you are well done! Because I cannot see what you are driving at by the bit in bold above… See the bit in bold, Ariel, blue and underlined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Aren't we lucky to have 2 such good keepers that we can actually debate who should have the shirt!? For me Harps has done nothing wrong this season, in fact he's made a couple of superb saves, and should keep the shirt if Sam wants to send out the right signals to the rest of the squad that reputations don't matter, it's performances that count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Aren't we lucky to have 2 such good keepers that we can actually debate who should have the shirt!? For me Harps has done nothing wrong this season, in fact he's made a couple of superb saves, and should keep the shirt if Sam wants to send out the right signals to the rest of the squad that reputations don't matter, it's performances that count. I agree with all of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 I always believed going back to the Gulliet days and early SBR times that Steve Harper was and still is as good as Shay Given and there is nothing between them in terms of goal keeping skills. The only advantage Given has over Harper is that he has more first team experience which is NOT Harper's fault as I think Harper could have been England number one had he played all these years instead of Given... So after 3 premiere league games and 1 FA cup game and three goals conceded which I think he wasn't at fault for any of them, do you think he should keep his place in the team and it is his shirt to loose ? If it was up to me I would keep Harper in as I think this is how you reward players for there good performance... Good on ya Harper, take that jersey from that crap Robinson and show everyone who good you are... Go give your head a wobble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kenton Magpie Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 If Harper had any real ambition he would have packed his bags and upped sticks long ago instead of sitting in Shay's shadow Harpers ambition might be to play regularly for Newcastle, how would packing his bags help him achieve that? How? it isn’t a hard one to come up with an answer for, if he makes a move to another club which will require him to pack his bags he is going to get far more games under his belt than he is living under the Messiah's shadow see that word that starts with "N" and ends with "castle"? obviously not. IMO it should be done by overall form in training and matches. If harper has 1 bad game but overall has been playing very well, and has been doing just as good as shay in training, he plays. Are you trying to insult my intelligence? If you are well done! Because I cannot see what you are driving at by the bit in bold above… See the bit in bold, Ariel, blue and underlined. I know it, you know it, my local postman knows it and the father of joe bloggs knows that Harper isnt going to keep Given out of the team when both are fit so why doesnt he just make a move that will benefit him in the short and long term future? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 I know it, you know it, my local postman knows it and the father of joe bloggs knows that Harper isnt going to keep Given out of the team when both are fit so why doesnt he just make a move that will benefit him in the short and long term future? I don't know his reason for not moving on but I wouldn't want to move if I was doing what he's doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPalAl Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Never rated Harper, but I have got to give him credit, because IMO at the moment he doesn't deserve to be dropped. Shay was off his game last season (as were most of the team), so until Harps plays badly, he should keep the jersey, and make Shay get out of his comfort zone. Just wish he would have a bit more urgency getting the ball upfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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