NSG Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Sorry for the shit MS paint skills here, but if player A is running with the ball is said direction, player b comes in with a ferocious slide tackle, wins the ball and it goes off in direction c, is it fair or a foul? Cheers http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2456/tacklejj5.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Depends whether you are a Manu player at OT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 It looks more from the side on the picture but any tackle from behind the player which wins the ball or not is still a free-kick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 If his foot comes from the side and he wins the ball it's often seen as a good tackle, with no foul given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 If you win the ball cleanly without causing any danger to an opponent, it's OK, whether the tackle comes from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jamesmartinsmith Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Sorry for the s*** MS paint skills here, but if player A is running with the ball is said direction, player b comes in with a ferocious slide tackle, wins the ball and it goes off in direction c, is it fair or a foul? Cheers http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2456/tacklejj5.png It seems that in the modern game if you put in a tackle which is deemed as aggressive, even if you win the ball you'll make a foul and probably get a card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon55544 Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 If you win the ball cleanly without causing any danger to an opponent, it's OK, whether the tackle comes from. A tackle from behind is dangerous so even if you win the ball its still a foul i think, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Luque Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Sorry for the s*** MS paint skills here, but if player A is running with the ball is said direction, player b comes in with a ferocious slide tackle, wins the ball and it goes off in direction c, is it fair or a foul? Cheers http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2456/tacklejj5.png It seems that in the modern game if you put in a tackle which is deemed as aggressive, even if you win the ball you'll make a foul and probably get a card. Exactly. Emre's two-footed lunge last season was a brilliant tackle. Won the ball cleanly and didn't even touch the opponent, but since it looked wild, he got a yellow card iirc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 If you win the ball cleanly without causing any danger to an opponent, it's OK, whether the tackle comes from. That may be the rule, but the interpretation is different. Seen some beautifully-timed challenges from behind that the ref has blown up for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Most referees don't like tackles from behind. In your diagram, it would be fine to make a challenge in that situation, although a lot can depend on the referree's position and the opponent's reaction to the tackle, how he goes down etc. There was a situation a few seasons ago when Jermaine Jenas made a challenge from behind on Gilberto and was sent off, despite making contact with the ball before the man, because of the way he caught Gilberto after the challenge and the way he went down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 From behaind or with the sole first - Red Card Even if you win the ball it can be a foul. if you, for example, brutal floor the player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 From behaind or with the sole first - Red Card Even if you win the ball it can be a foul. if you, for example, brutal floor the player. But there's perfectly reasonable tackles where both players are essentially stationary and the tackle comes in from behind, but reaching round the player with the ball. Almost zero chance of injury, but will still get penalised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 From behaind or with the sole first - Red Card Even if you win the ball it can be a foul. if you, for example, brutal floor the player. But there's perfectly reasonable tackles where both players are essentially stationary and the tackle comes in from behind, but reaching round the player with the ball. Almost zero chance of injury, but will still get penalised. I would like to see one of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Directly from behind it is (or should be) a free kick and even some players (like smith) gets booked generally because they are dangerous tackles and can cause serious injuries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross magoo Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Provided it's a one footed tackle without the studs being raised i'd say that in this situation the tackle is ok (provided the ball is played before the man) because it seems to be from round the side of the ball carrier. If the defender goes through the back of the ball carrier to win the ball then referees will award a free-kick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. TC Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Most referees don't like tackles from behind. In your diagram, it would be fine to make a challenge in that situation, although a lot can depend on the referree's position and the opponent's reaction to the tackle, how he goes down etc. There was a situation a few seasons ago when Jermaine Jenas made a challenge from behind on Gilberto and was sent off, despite making contact with the ball before the man, because of the way he caught Gilberto after the challenge and the way he went down. Jenas' red was rescinded wasn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 imo if he gets the ball first and it isn't a dangerous tackle (keane on haalland, anything involving smith or scholes, that essien tackle etc...) that could seriously injure the player then its fair game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I used to have lunch with a ref a while back, it was great as we would get his opinion after big games and incidents. He told us, it doesn't matter if the player wins the ball with a challange, it depends on how dangerous/aggressive it looked to the ref. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSamsBarmyArmy Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 imo if he gets the ball first and it isn't a dangerous tackle (keane on haalland, anything involving smith or scholes, that essien tackle etc...) that could seriously injure the player then its fair game. Fully agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 If you win the ball cleanly without causing any danger to an opponent, it's OK, whether the tackle comes from. That may be the rule, but the interpretation is different. Seen some beautifully-timed challenges from behind that the ref has blown up for. http://i20.tinypic.com/ose8vo.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nufc_geordie Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I agree that if a player goes through the back of another player then that is dangerous and rightfully a free kick and a card should be awarded. My problem is the one with aggression. If you go into a tackle hard and aggressively and win the ball where is the foul there? Aggression doesn't make a bad tackle, it's whether or not you get the ball first! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I think you're right, just make sure we understand the difference between aggression and intent to hurt the opponent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 In the diagram i gues it might depend on the trailing leg (of the tackler). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 As a defender there's nothing more frustrating than seeing a foul given (maybe even a booking!) for a great winning the ball tackle! Pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 any ball winning challenge is fair in my book Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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