Mick Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I agree some what but not totally. Our defence looked awful home and away last season. This season our defence looks quite good at home, it's just the tactics and mentality that is putting our defence under too much pressure away from home. Agreed, it's the tactics that's wrong now, not the players in defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 We've strengthened the defence like many people said we should, but our defence isn't any better. Some of us correctly said what the biggest problem was a year ago. Aye, imagine if Allardyce tried to play a defensive game like he did today with with Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro. Good post, mate. Has the defensive record improved ? Yes, I think it has but if you're going to send a team out with a view of being happy with a 0-0 then you're going to invite unneeded pressure on yourself. Our defeats away from home have been down to poor tactics from the manager, nothing to do with whether he brought in new defenders or strikers because he brought in both in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Aye, imagine if Allardyce tried to play a defensive game like he did today with with Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro. Good post, mate. see my reply to Baggio. And how many goals did we concede in the same fixture last year ? Not like you to ignore facts mackems.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 We've strengthened the defence like many people said we should, but our defence isn't any better. Some of us correctly said what the biggest problem was a year ago. Aye, imagine if Allardyce tried to play a defensive game like he did today with with Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro. Good post, mate. Has the defensive record improved ? Yes, I think it has but if you're going to send a team out with a view of being happy with a 0-0 then you're going to invite unneeded pressure on yourself. Our defeats away from home have been down to poor tactics from the manager, nothing to do with whether he brought in new defenders or strikers because he brought in both in the summer. I think the problem is exactly the same as it was a year ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 see my reply to Baggio. And how many goals did we concede in the same fixture last year ? Not like you to ignore facts mackems.gif I've seen your reply to Bagio, you're all about point scoring on here regardless of the facts. Nobody is claiming that our defensive record has improved but some can see the problem with the tactics, you can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 We've strengthened the defence like many people said we should, but our defence isn't any better. Some of us correctly said what the biggest problem was a year ago. Aye, imagine if Allardyce tried to play a defensive game like he did today with with Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro. Good post, mate. Has the defensive record improved ? Yes, I think it has but if you're going to send a team out with a view of being happy with a 0-0 then you're going to invite unneeded pressure on yourself. Our defeats away from home have been down to poor tactics from the manager, nothing to do with whether he brought in new defenders or strikers because he brought in both in the summer. I think the problem is exactly the same as it was a year ago. Not having someone to hold the ball up? We conceded the second with your man Alan Smith on the field so perhaps someone to hold the ball up wasn't that good today after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Aye, imagine if Allardyce tried to play a defensive game like he did today with with Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro. Good post, mate. see my reply to Baggio. And how many goals did we concede in the same fixture last year ? Not like you to ignore facts mackems.gif Even if they are pointless facts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I think the problem is exactly the same as it was a year ago. What was our problem a year ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 see my reply to Baggio. And how many goals did we concede in the same fixture last year ? Not like you to ignore facts mackems.gif I've seen your reply to Bagio, you're all about point scoring on here regardless of the facts. Nobody is claiming that our defensive record has improved but some can see the problem with the tactics, you can't. I'd rather Newcastle had got the points, despite what Dave said. I've posted my opinion on the faults in the team, I can't be bothered to do it again. Fact is, better defenders hasn't improved our defending. End of. And, while you are saying I can't see the tactics, the comments I've been making for ages about what I think the problem is, is tactical, dictated by the type of players and their relative positions, that we have at the club. You're not at your brightest today are you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 We've strengthened the defence like many people said we should, but our defence isn't any better. Some of us correctly said what the biggest problem was a year ago. Aye, imagine if Allardyce tried to play a defensive game like he did today with with Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro. Good post, mate. Has the defensive record improved ? Yes, I think it has but if you're going to send a team out with a view of being happy with a 0-0 then you're going to invite unneeded pressure on yourself. Our defeats away from home have been down to poor tactics from the manager, nothing to do with whether he brought in new defenders or strikers because he brought in both in the summer. I think the problem is exactly the same as it was a year ago. Not having someone to hold the ball up? We conceded the second with your man Alan Smith on the field so perhaps someone to hold the ball up wasn't that good today after all. Would you prefer Ameobi ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 see my reply to Baggio. And how many goals did we concede in the same fixture last year ? Not like you to ignore facts mackems.gif I've seen your reply to Bagio, you're all about point scoring on here regardless of the facts. Nobody is claiming that our defensive record has improved but some can see the problem with the tactics, you can't. I'd rather Newcastle had got the points, despite what Dave said. I've posted my opinion on the faults in the team, I can't be bothered to do it again. Fact is, better defenders hasn't improved our defending. End of. And, while you are saying I can't see the tactics, the comments I've been making for ages about what I think the problem is, is tactical, dictated by the type of players and their relative positions, that we have at the club. You're not at your brightest today are you Nice points scoring final sentence tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 We've strengthened the defence like many people said we should, but our defence isn't any better. Some of us correctly said what the biggest problem was a year ago. Aye, imagine if Allardyce tried to play a defensive game like he did today with with Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro. Good post, mate. Has the defensive record improved ? Yes, I think it has but if you're going to send a team out with a view of being happy with a 0-0 then you're going to invite unneeded pressure on yourself. Our defeats away from home have been down to poor tactics from the manager, nothing to do with whether he brought in new defenders or strikers because he brought in both in the summer. I think the problem is exactly the same as it was a year ago. Not having someone to hold the ball up? We conceded the second with your man Alan Smith on the field so perhaps someone to hold the ball up wasn't that good today after all. Would you prefer Ameobi ? Where did I say that? Your whole argument was that we need a striker who can hold the ball up better to stop us from conceding, you then went on about Alan Smith the other week agreeing with people who said he'd do that yet Reading scored the winner with him on the pitch. So your point is wrong too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 How long before this breaks into a debate about Shepherd? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I'd rather Newcastle had got the points, despite what Dave said. I've posted my opinion on the faults in the team, I can't be bothered to do it again. Fact is, better defenders hasn't improved our defending. End of. And, while you are saying I can't see the tactics, the comments I've been making for ages about what I think the problem is, is tactical, dictated by the type of players and their relative positions, that we have at the club. You're not at your brightest today are you You probably think that we need more forwards, I'm sure that was what you were saying last year. A year ago we had Rossi and Duff up front, today we had Martins and Owen but didn't get the best out of them because of the way the team was set out, not because of who played up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 How long before this breaks into a debate about Shepherd? You brought him into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 How long before this breaks into a debate about Shepherd? Its easy watch I think the problem is exactly the same as it was a year ago. What was our problem a year ago? Shepherd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 How long before this breaks into a debate about Shepherd? Its easy watch I think the problem is exactly the same as it was a year ago. What was our problem a year ago? Shepherd mackems.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 We've strengthened the defence like many people said we should, but our defence isn't any better. Some of us correctly said what the biggest problem was a year ago. Aye, imagine if Allardyce tried to play a defensive game like he did today with with Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro. Good post, mate. Has the defensive record improved ? Yes, I think it has but if you're going to send a team out with a view of being happy with a 0-0 then you're going to invite unneeded pressure on yourself. Our defeats away from home have been down to poor tactics from the manager, nothing to do with whether he brought in new defenders or strikers because he brought in both in the summer. I think the problem is exactly the same as it was a year ago. Not having someone to hold the ball up? We conceded the second with your man Alan Smith on the field so perhaps someone to hold the ball up wasn't that good today after all. Would you prefer Ameobi ? Where did I say that? Your whole argument was that we need a striker who can hold the ball up better to stop us from conceding, you then went on about Alan Smith the other week agreeing with people who said he'd do that yet Reading scored the winner with him on the pitch. So your point is wrong too. Its not wrong. When Smith came on, we played better and were well on top when we equalised. The balance of play changed, because he was right to bring Smith on. Its a bit daft to suggest that getting your shape better means its impossible to lose I know you have a grudge against Smith, but it was the right change. BTW, I don't just mean holding the ball up, I mean general possession, keeping the ball, forcing the pace of the game and using their intelligence when passing and moving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Shepherd blueyes.gif I couldn't argue with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 We've strengthened the defence like many people said we should, but our defence isn't any better. Some of us correctly said what the biggest problem was a year ago. Aye, imagine if Allardyce tried to play a defensive game like he did today with with Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro. Good post, mate. Has the defensive record improved ? Yes, I think it has but if you're going to send a team out with a view of being happy with a 0-0 then you're going to invite unneeded pressure on yourself. Our defeats away from home have been down to poor tactics from the manager, nothing to do with whether he brought in new defenders or strikers because he brought in both in the summer. I think the problem is exactly the same as it was a year ago. Not having someone to hold the ball up? We conceded the second with your man Alan Smith on the field so perhaps someone to hold the ball up wasn't that good today after all. Would you prefer Ameobi ? Where did I say that? Your whole argument was that we need a striker who can hold the ball up better to stop us from conceding, you then went on about Alan Smith the other week agreeing with people who said he'd do that yet Reading scored the winner with him on the pitch. So your point is wrong too. Its not wrong. When Smith came on, we played better and were well on top when we equalised. The balance of play changed, because he was right to bring Smith on. Its a bit daft to suggest that getting your shape better means its impossible to lose I know you have a grudge against Smith, but it was the right change. BTW, I don't just mean holding the ball up, I mean general possession, keeping the ball, forcing the pace of the game and using their intelligence when passing and moving. We played better because we had more width, nothing to do with Smith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Its not wrong. When Smith came on, we played better and were well on top when we equalised. The balance of play changed, because he was right to bring Smith on. Its a bit daft to suggest that getting your shape better means its impossible to lose I know you have a grudge against Smith, but it was the right change. BTW, I don't just mean holding the ball up, I mean general possession, keeping the ball, forcing the pace of the game and using their intelligence when passing and moving. We played better when we brought on some width. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 We've strengthened the defence like many people said we should, but our defence isn't any better. Some of us correctly said what the biggest problem was a year ago. Aye, imagine if Allardyce tried to play a defensive game like he did today with with Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro. Good post, mate. Has the defensive record improved ? Yes, I think it has but if you're going to send a team out with a view of being happy with a 0-0 then you're going to invite unneeded pressure on yourself. Our defeats away from home have been down to poor tactics from the manager, nothing to do with whether he brought in new defenders or strikers because he brought in both in the summer. I think the problem is exactly the same as it was a year ago. Not having someone to hold the ball up? We conceded the second with your man Alan Smith on the field so perhaps someone to hold the ball up wasn't that good today after all. Would you prefer Ameobi ? Where did I say that? Your whole argument was that we need a striker who can hold the ball up better to stop us from conceding, you then went on about Alan Smith the other week agreeing with people who said he'd do that yet Reading scored the winner with him on the pitch. So your point is wrong too. Its not wrong. When Smith came on, we played better and were well on top when we equalised. The balance of play changed, because he was right to bring Smith on. Its a bit daft to suggest that getting your shape better means its impossible to lose I know you have a grudge against Smith, but it was the right change. BTW, I don't just mean holding the ball up, I mean general possession, keeping the ball, forcing the pace of the game and using their intelligence when passing and moving. We played better because we had more width, nothing to do with Smith. yes, I agree that playing with more width is better too, thats what I was getting at when I was commenting on possession etc, I was only answering Baggio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Shepherd blueyes.gif I couldn't argue with that. I'm looking forward to the current regime matching those Champions League qualifications. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Shepherd blueyes.gif I couldn't argue with that. I'm looking forward to the current regime matching those Champions League qualifications. He's adorable when he does that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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