Mort: I’m in charge

[Thespence]

How old are you?

 

I mentioned summer as part of a hypothetical situation, the aim was to try and look at the summer period in context to the jan period. If you were to ask the fans out there the same situation im sure most of them would opt for the summer. but why? Thats what i was trying to get at. Theres a reason why people prefer the summer, and im sure its the saem for the clubs. Thats all im saying.

 

i dont think ive ever spoken to anyone so stupid that they cant see that. Nevermind eh!

 

I've been able to see ne5 points about generally strengthening the squad, obviously in order for the club to progress we need to invest to strengthen goes without saying.

 

Of course, generally speaking his views are correct, im not arguing contrare to that but the bits that i disagree with are the ones which are directly relevant to Morts quotes. Says that we should sign all the time, which i disagree with, hence the points about Jan window period, whcih i will reiterate again, is releavant to Morts quotes.

 

Who is being a spin doctor? Me? NE5? You?

 

What has NE5 or you argued that can be attributed to anything that Mort has said. Where has he said that we wont be aigning any players in Jan? Ive seen him say that signing defenders wont be the answer, ive seen him say we will be looking to invest primarily in youth, and ive also heard him say that as of yet, no targets have been outlined becasue SA has pitched anything to him.

 

do you see where the difference in our arguments lie?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....probably not

 

Old enough to realise asking a question then pressing the spacebar/Retun key & then answering that question is not that funny.

 

Regarding Jan/Summer - Our manager has made it quite clear he would like to sign players all year round & agree with him. The slots are irrelevant to me, its all about the player or players we can bring in. The CL plays a major part in this as clubs still in it wont sell which has knock effect for the whole market place, obviously clubs getting knocked out of the CL may be looking to sell a player as they have over budgeted.

 

You have not spoken to me ever, you have read what I have typed.

 

I am debating the issue of summer or Jan with you not Mort quotes.

 

do you see where the difference in our arguments lie?

....probably not

 

[Guest Knightrider]

Freddy Shepherd's first season as Chairman

 

From 2nd to 13th and an FA Cup Final defeat

 

Mort's first season?

 

See you in May...

 

Sir John Hall's first season as owner?

 

Bought the club for £4m and appointed Keegan resulting in 5 glorious years.

 

Ashley's first season as owner?

 

Bought the club for £140m and wiped out £70m of debt with his OWN money. Yet to appoint his own manager. Still half the season to go.

 

See you in 5 years time...

 

Why the differentiation between owner and chairman ie SJH and FS ?

 

Same major shareholder during all of this time - AND - as we have said before, Shepherd, Fletcher and Hall Jnr appointed Keegan, NOT Sir john Hall, so you shouldn't give him the credit for it.

 

Also, you couldn't get a better track record than Dalglish at the time, but you are right to point out our first FA Cup Final in 24 years.

 

I still say the club should go for europe this season, I can't see why they put it off. He would look at the money spent as money to take control of the club, as an investment. And so the ambition starts from now. Or not, as the case may be.

 

 

 

FS was not a major shareholder prior to becoming a PLC and Chairman, he was a Director of the board lead by the owner Sir John Hall who appointed FS as Chairman of the PLC board, it was FS who appointed himself as Chairman. Ashley is the owner of NUFC and Mort is the Chairman, appointed by Ashley.

 

FS didn't appoint KK either, they recommended him to the owner Sir John Hall who eventually appointed him on their backing so yes the credit for appointing him is Sir John Hall's. FS and co get the credit for advocating KK as a possible NUFC manager not for actually appointing him.

 

Anyway the whole point of my post was that you can't compare the current owner and chairman to the previous lot until they've had more than 6 months at the club. If people do want to compare then I think Ashley putting in over £200m of his own cash and in doing so virtually wiping out the debt is on a par with what Sir John Hall did to save the club from going bankrupt while FS as Chairman in his first season didn't spend a much as Mort has in his nor will Mort oversee a club from 2nd in the table to 13th.

 

In short they are up on the previous mob 6 months in. Not that I care personally, I'm taking a long term view of things and will wait and see what happens before judging anyone.

 

So far though I have been very impressed by the new guys and the club is going in the right direction for once, as opposed to the wrong direction which is where we were heading before some bloke dipped into his pockets and pulled out over 200 million quid, in doing so making FS and Co very rich men despite him never having put a penny of his own money into the club, unlike Mr Ashley who we should all be grateful to at this moment in time.

 

Debt free almost?

 

That's better than any Michael Owen signing...

 

[Dr Venkman]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been shit for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

[Howaythelads]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been shit for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

[Mick]

 

FS was not a major shareholder prior to becoming a PLC and Chairman, he was a Director of the board lead by the owner Sir John Hall who appointed FS as Chairman of the PLC board, it was FS who appointed himself as Chairman. Ashley is the owner of NUFC and Mort is the Chairman, appointed by Ashley.

 

FS didn't appoint KK either, they recommended him to the owner Sir John Hall who eventually appointed him on their backing so yes the credit for appointing him is Sir John Hall's. FS and co get the credit for advocating KK as a possible NUFC manager not for actually appointing him.

 

Anyway the whole point of my post was that you can't compare the current owner and chairman to the previous lot until they've had more than 6 months at the club. If people do want to compare then I think Ashley putting in over £200m of his own cash and in doing so virtually wiping out the debt is on a par with what Sir John Hall did to save the club from going bankrupt while FS as Chairman in his first season didn't spend a much as Mort has in his nor will Mort oversee a club from 2nd in the table to 13th.

 

In short they are up on the previous mob 6 months in. Not that I care personally, I'm taking a long term view of things and will wait and see what happens before judging anyone.

 

So far though I have been very impressed by the new guys and the club is going in the right direction for once, as opposed to the wrong direction which is where we were heading before some bloke dipped into his pockets and pulled out over 200 million quid, in doing so making FS and Co very rich men despite him never having put a penny of his own money into the club, unlike Mr Ashley who we should all be grateful to at this moment in time.

 

Debt free almost?

 

That's better than any Michael Owen signing...

 

 

Spot on.

[Dr Venkman]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been s*** for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

i dont like the beatles, i've never disputed that there's been harder times, ever, irrelevant

[NE5]

Freddy Shepherd's first season as Chairman

 

From 2nd to 13th and an FA Cup Final defeat

 

Mort's first season?

 

See you in May...

 

Sir John Hall's first season as owner?

 

Bought the club for £4m and appointed Keegan resulting in 5 glorious years.

 

Ashley's first season as owner?

 

Bought the club for £140m and wiped out £70m of debt with his OWN money. Yet to appoint his own manager. Still half the season to go.

 

See you in 5 years time...

 

Why the differentiation between owner and chairman ie SJH and FS ?

 

Same major shareholder during all of this time - AND - as we have said before, Shepherd, Fletcher and Hall Jnr appointed Keegan, NOT Sir john Hall, so you shouldn't give him the credit for it.

 

Also, you couldn't get a better track record than Dalglish at the time, but you are right to point out our first FA Cup Final in 24 years.

 

I still say the club should go for europe this season, I can't see why they put it off. He would look at the money spent as money to take control of the club, as an investment. And so the ambition starts from now. Or not, as the case may be.

 

 

 

FS was not a major shareholder prior to becoming a PLC and Chairman, he was a Director of the board lead by the owner Sir John Hall who appointed FS as Chairman of the PLC board, it was FS who appointed himself as Chairman. Ashley is the owner of NUFC and Mort is the Chairman, appointed by Ashley.

 

FS didn't appoint KK either, they recommended him to the owner Sir John Hall who eventually appointed him on their backing so yes the credit for appointing him is Sir John Hall's. FS and co get the credit for advocating KK as a possible NUFC manager not for actually appointing him.

 

Anyway the whole point of my post was that you can't compare the current owner and chairman to the previous lot until they've had more than 6 months at the club. If people do want to compare then I think Ashley putting in over £200m of his own cash and in doing so virtually wiping out the debt is on a par with what Sir John Hall did to save the club from going bankrupt while FS as Chairman in his first season didn't spend a much as Mort has in his nor will Mort oversee a club from 2nd in the table to 13th.

 

In short they are up on the previous mob 6 months in. Not that I care personally, I'm taking a long term view of things and will wait and see what happens before judging anyone.

 

So far though I have been very impressed by the new guys and the club is going in the right direction for once, as opposed to the wrong direction which is where we were heading before some bloke dipped into his pockets and pulled out over 200 million quid, in doing so making FS and Co very rich men despite him never having put a penny of his own money into the club, unlike Mr Ashley who we should all be grateful to at this moment in time.

 

Debt free almost?

 

That's better than any Michael Owen signing...

 

 

no. Keegan says in his book that Sir John didn't want to appoint him, it was Shepherd, Fletcher and Hall Jnr who persuaded him, to take the job. If you mean that Sir John as chairman signed the contract, then that is correct, but it was not Sir john who chose Kevin keegan and persuaded him to take the job. Just a technicality, but if it had been down to Sir John, Keegan would never have been manager of Newcastle United, so you can't give him the credit for picking him. It is twisting things like this that makes people make bad judgements. These are the facts, laid down, indisputable, and you should make your conclusion from them, and the conclusion is obvious. Hall Jnr, Fletcher and Shepherd were responsible for appointing Keegan.

 

Basically, it was a majority decision by the board, and not a single person, which is how the board was run during all its time and how the other managers were also chosen.

 

The club - if it had paid for the ground expansion - would have cost Ashley over 200m quid to buy. Because he has paid it off, it is now worth that price instead of a reduced figure. People can spin this as much as they like - the same as the first paragraph ref the appointment of Keegan to suit themselves, but what I am typing is fact. If Ashley sells the club tomorrow, he would price it at between 200 and 250m quid and it would be the going rate for the club, with a paid for ground and no big debts. and he would get his money back.

 

I find the comments from Mort to indicate a lack of ambition in the boardroom, I hope this is a misleading comment, but I'm certainly not going to pretend he hasn't made them, like some people, just because he's made good PR in the press.

 

I think the club should go for europe by trying to bringing in what is a glaring hole in the team - a hole that was obvious last year when people said we needed defenders which we now have and have made little difference if any - and tbh I don't understand why they do not consider it worthwhile to make a run for a european spot either, that is if they want to to do it.

 

 

[NE5]

 

FS was not a major shareholder prior to becoming a PLC and Chairman, he was a Director of the board lead by the owner Sir John Hall who appointed FS as Chairman of the PLC board, it was FS who appointed himself as Chairman. Ashley is the owner of NUFC and Mort is the Chairman, appointed by Ashley.

 

FS didn't appoint KK either, they recommended him to the owner Sir John Hall who eventually appointed him on their backing so yes the credit for appointing him is Sir John Hall's. FS and co get the credit for advocating KK as a possible NUFC manager not for actually appointing him.

 

Anyway the whole point of my post was that you can't compare the current owner and chairman to the previous lot until they've had more than 6 months at the club. If people do want to compare then I think Ashley putting in over £200m of his own cash and in doing so virtually wiping out the debt is on a par with what Sir John Hall did to save the club from going bankrupt while FS as Chairman in his first season didn't spend a much as Mort has in his nor will Mort oversee a club from 2nd in the table to 13th.

 

In short they are up on the previous mob 6 months in. Not that I care personally, I'm taking a long term view of things and will wait and see what happens before judging anyone.

 

So far though I have been very impressed by the new guys and the club is going in the right direction for once, as opposed to the wrong direction which is where we were heading before some bloke dipped into his pockets and pulled out over 200 million quid, in doing so making FS and Co very rich men despite him never having put a penny of his own money into the club, unlike Mr Ashley who we should all be grateful to at this moment in time.

 

Debt free almost?

 

That's better than any Michael Owen signing...

 

 

Spot on.

 

should have known you would agree with any anti Shepherd posting. Meanwhile, I've corrected a few bits of information in there, which I've told you in the past, but once again ignore because it doesn't suit you.

 

 

[Howaythelads]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been s*** for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

i dont like the beatles, i've never disputed that there's been harder times, ever, irrelevant

 

No, the past is not irrelevant, it never is on any subject. The past provides lessons and information which only the arrogant ignore.

 

Cheers

[fredbob]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been s*** for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

i dont like the beatles, i've never disputed that there's been harder times, ever, irrelevant

 

Exactly, noone is doubting the past of this club, but again, why is that relevant to the modern times, world history is littered with darker times, but you cant go through life justifying present life in context to how bad it was.

 

This concept applies to all forms of life, there will always be worse times, be a a countries history, or a governemnt, but people dont go through life, comparing the modern fallacies of these governments and countries with the ones that occured in the past.

 

Can you imagine a Black person complaining about the Governemnts treatment of the New Orleans disaster and being rebutted by being told "you should be glad, it was worse worse in the past for you folk"

 

Thats basically the crux of your argument. "vYou should of been here during the McKeag days..."

[Mick]

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

I know you have a good knowledge of the clubs history so use it.

 

The club is in a similar state this season to when Sir Bobby took over except for one thing, we didn't have the massive debt that we started this season with.  We've spent more money (net) so far than we did at this stage under Sir Bobby.  I don't remember too many people questioning the ambition of the board back then so why now when we've started off in a worse position?

 

Ashley has paid off £75 million of the debt which was more than £100 million so that the club can be self financing.  I doubt we’ll spend heavily in the Summer, I think it will be the summer after before we spend daft money but it will be money that the club can afford to spend.  I still think we’ll buy players before that time but it will not be in the numbers we saw coming in during the last window, I expect fewer in numbers but better quality.

 

The fact is that we've started from a worse position at the club.

 

We've spent more than we did under Sir Bobby at this stage.

 

Mort has not said he isn't spending, he's said that he wants younger players who will be around for a good few years, or words to that effect.

 

Allardyce has said that he doesn't have to sell to spend.

 

Why do people have a problem with that?

[Dr Venkman]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been s*** for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

i dont like the beatles, i've never disputed that there's been harder times, ever, irrelevant

 

No, the past is not irrelevant, it never is on any subject. The past provides lessons and information which only the arrogant ignore.

 

Cheers

 

maybe i should have clarified, i felt that what you were saying was irrelevant, not the past as a whole

 

the fact that you and NE5 are questioning the new boards intentions and where it will take us, and yet tell us at the same time that we should ignore/forgive shepherd and co taking us backwards over the last few years because we have been worse off before is a contradiction so glaringly obvious its almost amusing

 

haha, and you called me arrogant then ended your post with 'cheers', hahahahaha, mint

[Howaythelads]

Freddy Shepherd's first season as Chairman

 

From 2nd to 13th and an FA Cup Final defeat

 

Mort's first season?

 

See you in May...

 

Sir John Hall's first season as owner?

 

Bought the club for £4m and appointed Keegan resulting in 5 glorious years.

 

Ashley's first season as owner?

 

Bought the club for £140m and wiped out £70m of debt with his OWN money. Yet to appoint his own manager. Still half the season to go.

 

See you in 5 years time...

 

Why the differentiation between owner and chairman ie SJH and FS ?

 

Same major shareholder during all of this time - AND - as we have said before, Shepherd, Fletcher and Hall Jnr appointed Keegan, NOT Sir john Hall, so you shouldn't give him the credit for it.

 

Also, you couldn't get a better track record than Dalglish at the time, but you are right to point out our first FA Cup Final in 24 years.

 

I still say the club should go for europe this season, I can't see why they put it off. He would look at the money spent as money to take control of the club, as an investment. And so the ambition starts from now. Or not, as the case may be.

 

 

 

FS was not a major shareholder prior to becoming a PLC and Chairman, he was a Director of the board lead by the owner Sir John Hall who appointed FS as Chairman of the PLC board, it was FS who appointed himself as Chairman. Ashley is the owner of NUFC and Mort is the Chairman, appointed by Ashley.

 

FS didn't appoint KK either, they recommended him to the owner Sir John Hall who eventually appointed him on their backing so yes the credit for appointing him is Sir John Hall's. FS and co get the credit for advocating KK as a possible NUFC manager not for actually appointing him.

 

Anyway the whole point of my post was that you can't compare the current owner and chairman to the previous lot until they've had more than 6 months at the club. If people do want to compare then I think Ashley putting in over £200m of his own cash and in doing so virtually wiping out the debt is on a par with what Sir John Hall did to save the club from going bankrupt while FS as Chairman in his first season didn't spend a much as Mort has in his nor will Mort oversee a club from 2nd in the table to 13th.

 

In short they are up on the previous mob 6 months in. Not that I care personally, I'm taking a long term view of things and will wait and see what happens before judging anyone.

 

So far though I have been very impressed by the new guys and the club is going in the right direction for once, as opposed to the wrong direction which is where we were heading before some bloke dipped into his pockets and pulled out over 200 million quid, in doing so making FS and Co very rich men despite him never having put a penny of his own money into the club, unlike Mr Ashley who we should all be grateful to at this moment in time.

 

Debt free almost?

 

That's better than any Michael Owen signing...

 

 

Sorry to say this, mate. Once again you let yourself down and I have to wonder at your motivation. I generally don't bother responding to your posts now due to the misrepresentation they are filled with nowadays. I'm not sure you deliberately lie so it looks like you've somehow convinced yourself that you are posting the truth, despite their being much incorrect comment in your post.  The paragraph I highlighted in bold is an absolute classic that indicates your reluctance to offer credit where it's due, doing yourself no credit in return.

 

[NE5]

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

I know you have a good knowledge of the clubs history so use it.

 

The club is in a similar state this season to when Sir Bobby took over except for one thing, we didn't have the massive debt that we started this season with.  We've spent more money (net) so far than we did at this stage under Sir Bobby.   I don't remember too many people questioning the ambition of the board back then so why now when we've started off in a worse position?

 

Ashley has paid off £75 million of the debt which was more than £100 million so that the club can be self financing.  I doubt we’ll spend heavily in the Summer, I think it will be the summer after before we spend daft money but it will be money that the club can afford to spend.  I still think we’ll buy players before that time but it will not be in the numbers we saw coming in during the last window, I expect fewer in numbers but better quality.

 

The fact is that we've started from a worse position at the club.

 

We've spent more than we did under Sir Bobby at this stage.

 

Mort has not said he isn't spending, he's said that he wants younger players who will be around for a good few years, or words to that effect.

 

Allardyce has said that he doesn't have to sell to spend.

 

Why do people have a problem with that?

 

I don;t think you are in much of a position to talk about ambition when you have backed a board - or made excuses for them - who sold all our best players and considered itself to be proud of building a main stand "like Watfords", with the money from the sale of one of them.

 

BTW, under Bobby Robson - and Shepherd - we had a policy of looking around for younger players too, but according to you they never did anything right, apart from qualifying for europe regularly, and finishing in the top 5 for 3 consecutive seasons for the first time in 50 years, through showing ambition. But you slate that don't you ? Spot the hypocrisy ?

 

 

[Howaythelads]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been s*** for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

i dont like the beatles, i've never disputed that there's been harder times, ever, irrelevant

 

Exactly, noone is doubting the past of this club, but again, why is that relevant to the modern times, world history is littered with darker times, but you cant go through life justifying present life in context to how bad it was.

 

This concept applies to all forms of life, there will always be worse times, be a a countries history, or a governemnt, but people dont go through life, comparing the modern fallacies of these governments and countries with the ones that occured in the past.

 

Can you imagine a Black person complaining about the Governemnts treatment of the New Orleans disaster and being rebutted by being told "you should be glad, it was worse worse in the past for you folk"

 

Thats basically the crux of your argument. "vYou should of been here during the McKeag days..."

 

What you have described above is not even close to what people are on about. Having made your misinterpretation you won't be able to grasp what is really being said and no amount of posts trying to explain is going to make any difference to you. You do not understand what is being posted.

 

So goodnight.

[Syrette]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been shit for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

Oh no. Not that old chestnut.

[Howaythelads]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been s*** for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

i dont like the beatles, i've never disputed that there's been harder times, ever, irrelevant

 

No, the past is not irrelevant, it never is on any subject. The past provides lessons and information which only the arrogant ignore.

 

Cheers

 

maybe i should have clarified, i felt that what you were saying was irrelevant, not the past as a whole

 

the fact that you and NE5 are questioning the new boards intentions and where it will take us, and yet tell us at the same time that we should ignore/forgive shepherd and co taking us backwards over the last few years because we have been worse off before is a contradiction so glaringly obvious its almost amusing

 

haha, and you called me arrogant then ended your post with 'cheers', hahahahaha, mint

 

So it's a fact I'm questioning the intentions of the board? Good one. I don't think I've made a comment about these remarks from Mort but don't let the truth get in the way. 

 

[Guest Knightrider]

Freddy Shepherd's first season as Chairman

 

From 2nd to 13th and an FA Cup Final defeat

 

Mort's first season?

 

See you in May...

 

Sir John Hall's first season as owner?

 

Bought the club for £4m and appointed Keegan resulting in 5 glorious years.

 

Ashley's first season as owner?

 

Bought the club for £140m and wiped out £70m of debt with his OWN money. Yet to appoint his own manager. Still half the season to go.

 

See you in 5 years time...

 

Why the differentiation between owner and chairman ie SJH and FS ?

 

Same major shareholder during all of this time - AND - as we have said before, Shepherd, Fletcher and Hall Jnr appointed Keegan, NOT Sir john Hall, so you shouldn't give him the credit for it.

 

Also, you couldn't get a better track record than Dalglish at the time, but you are right to point out our first FA Cup Final in 24 years.

 

I still say the club should go for europe this season, I can't see why they put it off. He would look at the money spent as money to take control of the club, as an investment. And so the ambition starts from now. Or not, as the case may be.

 

 

 

FS was not a major shareholder prior to becoming a PLC and Chairman, he was a Director of the board lead by the owner Sir John Hall who appointed FS as Chairman of the PLC board, it was FS who appointed himself as Chairman. Ashley is the owner of NUFC and Mort is the Chairman, appointed by Ashley.

 

FS didn't appoint KK either, they recommended him to the owner Sir John Hall who eventually appointed him on their backing so yes the credit for appointing him is Sir John Hall's. FS and co get the credit for advocating KK as a possible NUFC manager not for actually appointing him.

 

Anyway the whole point of my post was that you can't compare the current owner and chairman to the previous lot until they've had more than 6 months at the club. If people do want to compare then I think Ashley putting in over £200m of his own cash and in doing so virtually wiping out the debt is on a par with what Sir John Hall did to save the club from going bankrupt while FS as Chairman in his first season didn't spend a much as Mort has in his nor will Mort oversee a club from 2nd in the table to 13th.

 

In short they are up on the previous mob 6 months in. Not that I care personally, I'm taking a long term view of things and will wait and see what happens before judging anyone.

 

So far though I have been very impressed by the new guys and the club is going in the right direction for once, as opposed to the wrong direction which is where we were heading before some bloke dipped into his pockets and pulled out over 200 million quid, in doing so making FS and Co very rich men despite him never having put a penny of his own money into the club, unlike Mr Ashley who we should all be grateful to at this moment in time.

 

Debt free almost?

 

That's better than any Michael Owen signing...

 

 

Sorry to say this, mate. Once again you let yourself down and I have to wonder at your motivation. I generally don't bother responding to your posts now due to the misrepresentation they are filled with nowadays. I'm not sure you deliberately lie so it looks like you've somehow convinced yourself that you are posting the truth, despite their being much incorrect comment in your post.  The paragraph I highlighted in bold is an absolute classic that indicates your reluctance to offer credit where it's due, doing yourself no credit in return.

 

 

The bit you bolded is absolutely correct and factual so what are your talking about? I did give credit too, I gave FS and Co credit for advocating KK. Re-read it!

[NE5]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been shit for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

Oh no. Not that old chestnut.

 

not like you to jump in, out of your depth again 

[Syrette]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been shit for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

Oh no. Not that old chestnut.

 

not like you to jump in, out of your depth again 

 

Not sure what about that post makes me look out of depth. I'll admit to getting involved in these circle discussions before and it wasn't really worth it so I'll refrain from properly getting involved this time round. Where is Baggio nowadays by the way?

[NE5]

Freddy Shepherd's first season as Chairman

 

From 2nd to 13th and an FA Cup Final defeat

 

Mort's first season?

 

See you in May...

 

Sir John Hall's first season as owner?

 

Bought the club for £4m and appointed Keegan resulting in 5 glorious years.

 

Ashley's first season as owner?

 

Bought the club for £140m and wiped out £70m of debt with his OWN money. Yet to appoint his own manager. Still half the season to go.

 

See you in 5 years time...

 

Why the differentiation between owner and chairman ie SJH and FS ?

 

Same major shareholder during all of this time - AND - as we have said before, Shepherd, Fletcher and Hall Jnr appointed Keegan, NOT Sir john Hall, so you shouldn't give him the credit for it.

 

Also, you couldn't get a better track record than Dalglish at the time, but you are right to point out our first FA Cup Final in 24 years.

 

I still say the club should go for europe this season, I can't see why they put it off. He would look at the money spent as money to take control of the club, as an investment. And so the ambition starts from now. Or not, as the case may be.

 

 

 

FS was not a major shareholder prior to becoming a PLC and Chairman, he was a Director of the board lead by the owner Sir John Hall who appointed FS as Chairman of the PLC board, it was FS who appointed himself as Chairman. Ashley is the owner of NUFC and Mort is the Chairman, appointed by Ashley.

 

FS didn't appoint KK either, they recommended him to the owner Sir John Hall who eventually appointed him on their backing so yes the credit for appointing him is Sir John Hall's. FS and co get the credit for advocating KK as a possible NUFC manager not for actually appointing him.

 

Anyway the whole point of my post was that you can't compare the current owner and chairman to the previous lot until they've had more than 6 months at the club. If people do want to compare then I think Ashley putting in over £200m of his own cash and in doing so virtually wiping out the debt is on a par with what Sir John Hall did to save the club from going bankrupt while FS as Chairman in his first season didn't spend a much as Mort has in his nor will Mort oversee a club from 2nd in the table to 13th.

 

In short they are up on the previous mob 6 months in. Not that I care personally, I'm taking a long term view of things and will wait and see what happens before judging anyone.

 

So far though I have been very impressed by the new guys and the club is going in the right direction for once, as opposed to the wrong direction which is where we were heading before some bloke dipped into his pockets and pulled out over 200 million quid, in doing so making FS and Co very rich men despite him never having put a penny of his own money into the club, unlike Mr Ashley who we should all be grateful to at this moment in time.

 

Debt free almost?

 

That's better than any Michael Owen signing...

 

 

Sorry to say this, mate. Once again you let yourself down and I have to wonder at your motivation. I generally don't bother responding to your posts now due to the misrepresentation they are filled with nowadays. I'm not sure you deliberately lie so it looks like you've somehow convinced yourself that you are posting the truth, despite their being much incorrect comment in your post.  The paragraph I highlighted in bold is an absolute classic that indicates your reluctance to offer credit where it's due, doing yourself no credit in return.

 

 

The bit you bolded is absolutely correct and factual so what are your talking about? I did give credit too, I gave FS and Co credit for advocating KK. Re-read it!

 

no it isn't. If not for Hall Jnr, Fletcher and Shepherd, Keegan would never have been manager of Newcastle. So you can't give him the credit for choosing him.

 

As I said, it was a majority board decision. And all the subsequent managers were also appointed on the same basis.

 

 

[fredbob]

If we had £40 million to spend, and it had to spend it in one of the transfer periods, either January or the Summer, which period would you we rather spent the money in?

 

It completely hypothetical i understand. I just want your views to see where you stand.

 

If you read what he is typing, you would realise he is not really arsed about Jan or summer, he is more bothered signing players that are better than the current players. Which once we take out some of the crap in your posts is exactly the same thing your saying.

 

 

OH MY GOD, well if you read any of my f****** posts you'll realises im talking about the Jan period, do you know why? Becasuse its directively related to Morts quotes. I>E THIS WHOLE THREAD.

 

You have to be an amazing spin doctor to be able to attribue those quotes to anything other than this immediate transfer window.

 

AND for the 20th time, i ve openly agreed with NE5 and others that we should adress the weaknesses in our squad, ie the signing of Woodgate etc, but i dont think we should be filling the squad at this time.

 

Seriously, some people are so stupid, ive tried to include as much generic detail, addressing as many issues as i can but it seems many people struggle at the first f****** step.

 

In the post I quoted you definitely mention the summer.

 

Who is being a spin doctor? Me? NE5? You?

 

I know you keep agreeing with NE5 on points, that is why I find it strange you asked your 'hypothetical' question.

 

Did I touch nerve hinny? For your own sanity dont reply to this post, because I reckon you may turn out like  

 

How old are you?

 

I mentioned summer as part of a hypothetical situation, the aim was to try and look at the summer period in context to the jan period. If you were to ask the fans out there the same situation im sure most of them would opt for the summer. but why? Thats what i was trying to get at. Theres a reason why people prefer the summer, and im sure its the saem for the clubs. Thats all im saying.

 

i dont think ive ever spoken to anyone so stupid that they cant see that. Nevermind eh!

 

I've been able to see ne5 points about generally strengthening the squad, obviously in order for the club to progress we need to invest to strengthen goes without saying.

 

Of course, generally speaking his views are correct, im not arguing contrare to that but the bits that i disagree with are the ones which are directly relevant to Morts quotes. Says that we should sign all the time, which i disagree with, hence the points about Jan window period, whcih i will reiterate again, is releavant to Morts quotes.

 

do you see where the difference in our arguments lie?  

 

....probably not

 

 

I don;t think most supporters would say the summer - not that it makes any difference anyway. Why would you not want a player who will improve the team in asap ?

 

I don't see why you should not always be looking to improve your team, thats what football is all about. We have half the season left, we could qualify for europe with a couple of good players for the right positions, so why do you want to write it off and why would you support the board if they took the same stance. As I've said, I find such an attitude from them to be very worrying. In fact, to coin a word you used yourself, its a s*** approach.

 

And, you WERE losing your cool, as HTL pointed out. Which makes you look very childish, not him for pointing it out.

 

 

 

I don;t think most supporters would say the summer

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Well then we're gonna have to agree to disagree there. If £40m was available to spend in only one of the transfer periods, im sure people would rather go for the summer period. The reasons that  they'd give are exactly the same reasons that i am giving to support my view that too much money shouldnt be spent in Jan.

 

Why would you not want a player who will improve the team in asap ?

 

This might be a difficult concept for you, but i actuall agree with you on this point and have stated throughout my posts this view, but i guess your in selective reading mode so must of missed it.

 

I just think theres 2 types of transfers, transfers which imporve the team, and transfers which improve the squad. Again, without sounding patronizing, do you know the diffrerence? Becasue i have already said that  we should be using the period to adress the weakness of the team and not the squad.

 

As a club we are continuosly looking for quick fixes, before the season, we were happy to finish in a top 10 position. By your logic arent you selling yourself short, really showing a bit of a lack of ambition. Why dont we just try and improve the squad to title challenges, we can afford it. By your way we should be doing that, which bit of compromise in your brain has acknowledged that that isnt a possiblity, it needs to be a slower process but why??

[Dr Venkman]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been s*** for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

i dont like the beatles, i've never disputed that there's been harder times, ever, irrelevant

 

No, the past is not irrelevant, it never is on any subject. The past provides lessons and information which only the arrogant ignore.

 

Cheers

 

maybe i should have clarified, i felt that what you were saying was irrelevant, not the past as a whole

 

the fact that you and NE5 are questioning the new boards intentions and where it will take us, and yet tell us at the same time that we should ignore/forgive shepherd and co taking us backwards over the last few years because we have been worse off before is a contradiction so glaringly obvious its almost amusing

 

haha, and you called me arrogant then ended your post with 'cheers', hahahahaha, mint

 

So it's a fact I'm questioning the intentions of the board? Good one. I don't think I've made a comment about these remarks from Mort but don't let the truth get in the way. 

 

 

in which case i apologise, i didnt take the time to re-read the thread before posting that comment and thought that was your line of thinking due to what you were saying about the past etc

[Howaythelads]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been shit for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

Oh no. Not that old chestnut.

 

not like you to jump in, out of your depth again 

 

Not sure what about that post makes me look out of depth. I'll admit to getting involved in these circle discussions before and it wasn't really worth it so I'll refrain from properly getting involved this time round. Where is Baggio nowadays by the way?

 

Probably sitting nice and cosy right next to you....

[Howaythelads]

i refuse to believe there's just a simple fan/chairman relationship going on with NE5 and Shepherd, its baffling mate, honestly, how you spin things to suit, for example saying things like 'they're happy with mid table mediocrity this season' etc etc, you've removed all context, i'll be happy with mid table this season, it'll be an improvement, we've been s*** for years and we need to build back up to strength, i just DONT understand you

 

 

I take it you haven't read Morts comments about spendign in January [/astonished]

 

You must be someone else who can't accept bare facts laid out in front of you, when they don't suit your opinions ?

 

Basically, if the club don't act to fill glaring hole in the team, and say they won't act, what conclusion do you draw ?

 

We haven't been s*** for years either BTW. I thought you were one of the better posters, until you said that.

 

 

 

yeah, i've seen his comments, it made sense to me,  i'm giving him a clean slate so i'll wait until the end of the season to make my judgement on how their first season in charge went, given the circumstances

 

bare facts? we're specualting over what the club MIGHT do in january, there are no facts yet, and facts change my opinions, so, eh, what?

 

i'm not sure if its a break down in communication but as far as i'm aware by saying years that can class as 2 years at the least, and i feel pretty assured that we've been s*** for at least two years, i dont really mind what you think of me

 

 

well, I suppose if you've followed the club for 5 or 6 years, then the last 2 years could seem a long time.

 

And if you've only supported the club since 1992, then the last few years have been comparitively not too good.

 

But if you've supported the club longer than that, they have been a long way short of s***, and for that, you'll have to take my word for it.

 

 

 

no i wont, there are many other sources of information, i dont have to take your word for anything, you've never said anything thats changed my views, as i'm sure i've never said anything thats changed yours, might aswell just pack it in

 

 

Aye, and other sources of information will confirm that we have been a damn sight worse in previous decades than in the last couple of years.

 

oh you're joining in are you? i wasnt beamed into the planet 2 years ago, i have a decent understanding of our history, i still think we've been s*** for the last few years, i was simply saying i dont have to take his word for it because he tends to get a bit preachy if you dont nip it in the bud

 

Where was the, "na na ni na na....." I'm sure it would fit in well after your hissy bit in bold.

 

If you have any understanding of the history of the club you'll know that as poor as the last few seasons have been there have been far, far worse in the memory of MANY supporters who still go to matches today.

 

i dont like the beatles, i've never disputed that there's been harder times, ever, irrelevant

 

No, the past is not irrelevant, it never is on any subject. The past provides lessons and information which only the arrogant ignore.

 

Cheers

 

maybe i should have clarified, i felt that what you were saying was irrelevant, not the past as a whole

 

the fact that you and NE5 are questioning the new boards intentions and where it will take us, and yet tell us at the same time that we should ignore/forgive shepherd and co taking us backwards over the last few years because we have been worse off before is a contradiction so glaringly obvious its almost amusing

 

haha, and you called me arrogant then ended your post with 'cheers', hahahahaha, mint

 

So it's a fact I'm questioning the intentions of the board? Good one. I don't think I've made a comment about these remarks from Mort but don't let the truth get in the way. 

 

 

in which case i apologise, i didnt take the time to re-read the thread before posting that comment and thought that was your line of thinking due to what you were saying about the past etc

 

I was picking up on your apparent disregard of the past as unimportant when in fact the opposite is true. In everything.