Ashley has failed Newcastle United.

[quayside]

If we don't go down, Ashley spends millions, his chosen manager buys fantastic players and we charge up the Premier next season it will be all credit to Ashley and Mort. Discuss.

 

Yes.

[Parky]

If we don't go down, Ashley spends millions, his chosen manager buys fantastic players and we charge up the Premier next season it will be all credit to Ashley and Mort. Discuss.

 

I see you've got the idea. Well done.  mackems.gif

[Baggio]

Keegan will have to take some of the blame as it was his decision not to bring in any new players even though money was available, Mort will take some of the blame for appointing the wrong man if Keegan can't keep us up, Allardyce will have to take a large portion of the blame for being the worst manager we've had since we've been in the Prem then others such as Roeder, Souness, Shepherd and the Halls who have all played a part in the clubs downward spiral over the past few years.

[TRon]

If we don't go down, Ashley spends millions, his chosen manager buys fantastic players and we charge up the Premier next season it will be all credit to Ashley and Mort. Discuss.

 

Yes.

 

So what are we supposed to be discussing? That Ashley is a twat or a hero? Or both at the same time maybe?

[quayside]

If we don't go down, Ashley spends millions, his chosen manager buys fantastic players and we charge up the Premier next season it will be all credit to Ashley and Mort. Discuss.

 

Yes.

 

So what are we supposed to be discussing? That Ashley is a t*** or a hero? Or both at the same time maybe?

 

That he has to be responsible for the consequences of his decisions. No idea if he's a twat or not tbh.

[UV]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

I'll discuss it if we go down. Until then it's a moot point.

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

[Guest alex]

Nicely summed up.

[TRon]

If we don't go down, Ashley spends millions, his chosen manager buys fantastic players and we charge up the Premier next season it will be all credit to Ashley and Mort. Discuss.

 

Yes.

 

So what are we supposed to be discussing? That Ashley is a t*** or a hero? Or both at the same time maybe?

 

That he has to be responsible for the consequences of his decisions. No idea if he's a twat or not tbh.

 

Everyone is responsible for their decisions. The board made theirs, whether they were right ones is a matter of opinion and the consequences are yet to be determined so we'll see who was right and who was wrong.

[johnnypd]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

I'll discuss it if we go down. Until then it's a moot point.

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

 

 

If we stay up the risk will have paid off and we'll be better placed to spend money than had we stuck with allardyce or spent in Jan. but so far the risk, combined with the earlier cautious approach, has put us in serious shit and i hope Mort and Ashley have learned from this experience and will run the club in a more suitable manner in the future.

[Parky]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

I'll discuss it if we go down. Until then it's a moot point.

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

 

Pukka.

[TRon]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

I'll discuss it if we go down. Until then it's a moot point.

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

 

Keegan had 9 days to try and sign players in the transfer window. importantly, players that he wanted. At that point relegation was not on the radar and the decision was made to wait till the summer to get genuine targets which was sensible what we are seeing now is people coming out of the woodwork armed with a shitload of hindsight, now that we have failed to pick up points.

[Parky]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

I'll discuss it if we go down. Until then it's a moot point.

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

 

Keegan had 9 days to try and sign players in the transfer window. importantly, players that he wanted. At that point relegation was not on the radar and the decision was made to wait till the summer to get genuine targets which was sensible what we are seeing now is people coming out of the woodwork armed with a shitload of hindsight, now that we have failed to pick up points.

 

I said it was a mistake all through the Jan window tbf (to me). 

 

However the risk taken firing SA at that point, compounded with bringing in a manager who would have little clue who to buy and had been out of the game for some time is as far as risk goes very high...I can't think of any higher or 'riskier' approach.

[mrmojorisin75]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

I'll discuss it if we go down. Until then it's a moot point.

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

 

Keegan had 9 days to try and sign players in the transfer window. importantly, players that he wanted. At that point relegation was not on the radar and the decision was made to wait till the summer to get genuine targets which was sensible what we are seeing now is people coming out of the woodwork armed with a shitload of hindsight, now that we have failed to pick up points.

 

pish...we were headed for shit street, it was obvious to some people back in january, read some of the threads from back then

 

keegan had 9 days (plus they were in talks right from when allardyce was sacked) and that should be enough for a manager of his supposed calibre to identify weaknesses in his squad and target players to resolve it

 

nobody can tell me there wasn't a player out there we could have bought to improve on barton and butt, 'cause it's fucken rubbish...the fact (presumably) our manager didn't know of one is a different matter entirely

 

if it was a money thing we'll find out in time

[quayside]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

I'll discuss it if we go down. Until then it's a moot point.

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

 

Keegan had 9 days to try and sign players in the transfer window. importantly, players that he wanted. At that point relegation was not on the radar and the decision was made to wait till the summer to get genuine targets which was sensible what we are seeing now is people coming out of the woodwork armed with a shitload of hindsight, now that we have failed to pick up points.

 

If you are talking about people on this board that is a huge generalisation. Opinions were mixed about the sacking of Allardyce, the lack of a replacement, the timing of the sacking and the appointment of Keegan.

[Guest alex]

It's not bullshit. 9 days isn't enough time and it's hard to get players in January. You could blame KK for not making a stop-gap type of signing but it's debatable as to whether that would have helped us.

[Dokko]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

I'll discuss it if we go down. Until then it's a moot point.

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

 

Keegan had 9 days to try and sign players in the transfer window. importantly, players that he wanted. At that point relegation was not on the radar and the decision was made to wait till the summer to get genuine targets which was sensible what we are seeing now is people coming out of the woodwork armed with a shitload of hindsight, now that we have failed to pick up points.

 

9 days?

 

16th Jan, window closed on 31st, long 9 days.

 

 

[Guest alex]

The point still stands.

[Dokko]

The point still stands.

 

The point he had 9 days?

[Guest alex]

The point still stands.

 

The point he had 9 days?

Fuck me.

[TRon]

It's not bullshit. 9 days isn't enough time and it's hard to get players in January. You could blame KK for not making a stop-gap type of signing but it's debatable as to whether that would have helped us.

 

In a nutshell. 9 days was an estimate by the way TT. Way to pick up on piddly irrelevant points though

 

 

 

 

[Dokko]

The point still stands.

 

The point he had 9 days?

Fuck me.

 

He had half the window.

 

If he didn't know what he was doing he should never have been made manager of a club who desperately needed to sign players.

 

 

[Parky]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

I'll discuss it if we go down. Until then it's a moot point.

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

 

Keegan had 9 days to try and sign players in the transfer window. importantly, players that he wanted. At that point relegation was not on the radar and the decision was made to wait till the summer to get genuine targets which was sensible what we are seeing now is people coming out of the woodwork armed with a shitload of hindsight, now that we have failed to pick up points.

 

9 days?

 

16th Jan, window closed on 31st, long 9 days.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dokko]

It's not bullshit. 9 days isn't enough time and it's hard to get players in January. You could blame KK for not making a stop-gap type of signing but it's debatable as to whether that would have helped us.

 

In a nutshell. 9 days was an estimate by the way TT. Way to pick up on piddly irrelevant points though

 

 

 

 

 

Ok then, he had 6 months, its irrelevant how long he actually had even though your using it for an excuse as to why no one came in.

[Benwell Lad]

If we do go down then I guess we should be thankful that Ashley has removed the huge burden of debt the previous administration had built up and that he will have deep enough pockets to ensure we come back.

Had this happened with the previous regime in place then it would have been the end of NUFC as we have grown to know it over the last 15 years or so and back to the dark old days of the 70s and 80s.

 

I would recommend that from Ashley and Mort through to the fans we keep our nerve and show solid support to the team over the coming nerve wracking weeks. There are still (amazingly) seven teams worse off than us as things stand today.

[Parky]

The point still stands.

 

The point he had 9 days?

Fuck me.

 

He had half the window.

 

If he didn't know what he was doing he should never have been made manager of a club who desperately needed to sign players.

 

 

 

 

It was a massive risk as is becoming apparent.