Backroom staff exit - five and counting

[indi]

Like other people I'm a bit worried about all these departures. I also wonder who's behind them and why, if it's Keegan I hope it's not a case of: "I don't understand what it is you do, see ya later". Otherwise, it could well be a repeat of getting rid of the reserves the last time he was here.

 

Whilst I agree it's rather disconcerting to see so many leave, what evidence is there to suggest they were doing a good job? The man who employed them has been sacked for not being good enough.

 

Who knows, you're right. Its just a bit worrying really.

 

Assuming/hoping it's Keegan that's said these people's services are expendable, at least he's taken a few weeks to take stock and see what he thinks. Often when a manager leaves their entire team of staff leaves right there and then too.

 

Not sure how Keegan is qualified to know if the head of sports medicine is doing a good job or not, same goes for a masseur and a physio.

 

He's the manager, if he doesn't know, who else does?

 

How does being the manager of a football team make him medically qualified though?

 

 

 

No-one else is probbaly medically qualified either. So is the sports science guy unsackable?

 

No he's not, but if you'd read the rest of my post you'd have seen what I think about that.

 

I did. I still don;t see the relevance of the point that KK is not medically qualified.

 

The point being that many of the people who have left do technical jobs. If he is just getting rid people who do things that he personally doesn't understand, regardless of whether they have a positive effect on the team, or not, then that's bad. If they are replaced then that would suggest that he thought that the previous people simply weren't doing a good enough job, if they aren't then that suggests that he thinks we don't need anybody filling those roles. If that's what he thinks then I think he's wrong, the game has moved on from 1996... ...blah, blah, blah, what I've already said.

 

 

 

Maybe he wants different roles - not necessarily no roles related to spors science, etc, but different ones. Or maybe he wants rid of some of that fat cunts minions. Or maybe he's managing the team/staff as he sees fit.

 

He'll stand or fall by his decisions (i know which i expect), so we'll see.

 

You seem to think that I've made up my mind, I haven't. I'm simply talking about one possible reason for this and saying that if that were true, it would worry me. Like I've said we'll have to wait and see if they get replaced or not before we know the answer to that.

[TRon]

couldnt see this anywhere, delete if it has been posted.

 

Backroom trio exit:

Spare seats

 

In addition to Nigel Pearson and various members of our scouting network, Newcastle have now parted company with conditioning coach Mark Howard, head of sports medicine Mark Taylor and ProZone analyst Gavin Fleig.

 

 

 

http://www.nufc.com/

 

Any manager isn't worth the weight of the piece of paper their contract is written on if they're unable to recognise the shifts in game tempo, fluctuations in possession balance and whatnot as it happens from the dug-out & make the necessary changes, especially if they alternatively need to rely on a bloke downloading stats to a laptop as a means of making any potential strategic changes at half-time.

 

Pro-Zone was originally supposed to be just a an analysis add-on, at best. For example by crunching the numbers - ie. yards covered by a player over the course of 90 minutes - a player's fitness level after returning from injury could be equated. But from what i've read it was analysis system which was used to compliment the information already provided by the backroom staff - ie. physios etc - to the manager.

 

On face value Big Sam seemed to use Pro-Zone, and the stats that were being crunched up by the tech bloke Fleig, as a means of defending or justafying the s**** brand of football he was having the team play as 'balanced passing football'.

 

An exchange of short passes among the defensive back 4 followed by an aimless punt up the park doesn't equate to a 'balanced passing attack', something Allardyce tried to peddle by using Pro-Zone generated stats as his argument backbone.

 

Pro-Zone = I.T. blokes milking football for all it's worth. Getting back to the first paragraph, and this relates to decisions a manager has to make on the fly in conjunction with how the game is being played out - that's what they're payed for, Pro-Zone is irrelevant imo.

 

You get the SBR award for dismantling bullshit

 

 

[Dokko]

Its worrying that the groundwork we all hoped that SA would bring in either didn't materialize, or is not valued by the new regime.

 

So either he was a total waste of time, and was always going to be, or the new regime doesn't know new techniques to help us get the better out of players.

 

Either way, this year is a total waste of time.

 

Frankenclub, three managers visions in less than a year.

[Guest neesy111]

we need to get out any influence that fat bastard put in this club, he has set this club years 5+

 

is it me or we're our players this season even un-fitter than last season

 

when we had a smaller squad and played over 10 games more in that season as well

 

i think if u look at the players he had at bolton most we're not injury prone anycase

[Guest battyleespeed]

Injuries seemed to be down during Allardyce's tenure... can't recall any horrendous hamstring tears etc.. Someone have any stats?

 

KK got rid of the reserve team when he was last time around and that alone was shocking decision. Don't know what's going on behind the scenes but whoever decided (or did they decide to leave on their own like Pearson?) to fire these guys better have good plans how to improve player fitness, recovery, injury prevention, diets/nutrition, etc. because I really had high hopes of Allardyce finally getting those areas up to modern standards. Ten years ago those things were ridiculed (and to some extend still are by the uneducated) but look how they are regarded as basics by continental players, clubs and managers. I don't care who is the manager but I don't want to see us go back to 5-a-side and fish&chips with beer mentality again.

 

[Kitman]

It's more likely that these guys have jumped rather than been pushed.  And the lower injuries may be something to do with the fact we're playing fewer games than ever before this season - because we've been knocked out of the cups in the early rounds and we're not in Europe - and we've got rid of a lot of the injury plagued malingering toerags we traditionally specialise in (with the exception of Carr).  Anybody who thinks the club is going to ignore the fitness and health of players simply because Allardyce's groupies are jumping ship are making some massive assumptions.  Allardyce spoke a lot of shite on lots of issues, he's not the only one in the country who appreciates sports science and it may even be that Keegan doesn't deal with that side of things.

[Thespence]

and we've got rid of a lot of the injury plagued malingering toerags we traditionally specialise in

 

Valid point. I saw West Ham had Parker, Nobby, Bowyer, Bellamy & Dyer all out at once for a long spell not so long ago. Babba has been paid off. Moore given the heave ho. I am sure there are others sicknotes sacked off.

[Kitman]

and we've got rid of a lot of the injury plagued malingering toerags we traditionally specialise in

 

Valid point. I saw West Ham had Parker, Nobby, Bowyer, Bellamy & Dyer all out at once for a long spell not so long ago. Babba has been paid off. Moore given the heave ho. I am sure there are others sicknotes sacked off.

 

West Ham are our treatment table overflow facility.  I expect they've sacked the doctor that does the transfer medicals 

[sicsfingeredmong]

Some may see it as being an unwanted return to the past, or trying to relive a recent era by bringing back certain some figures back into the mix - much like Keegan's re-appointment, but a return of Steve Black would be a positive step forward for the club.

 

In his field, and they're judged on keeping players motivated & physically running at near-full capacity for most of a season's campaign, he is a rare gem.

[Thespence]

Some may see it as being an unwanted return to the past, or trying to relive a recent era by bringing back certain some figures back into the mix - much like Keegan's re-appointment, but a return of Steve Black would be a positive step forward for the club.

 

In his field, and they're judged on keeping players motivated & physically running at near-full capacity for most of a season's campaign, he is a rare gem.

 

Steve Black? I am not sure if he is a myth or a genius. The Falcons pack for years has been weak & physically got done over in most games. Some members of the pack under his regime looked fat & not muscular. The falcons often got wiped out in the 2nd half or late on in games.

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Some may see it as being an unwanted return to the past, or trying to relive a recent era by bringing back certain some figures back into the mix - much like Keegan's re-appointment, but a return of Steve Black would be a positive step forward for the club.

 

In his field, and they're judged on keeping players motivated & physically running at near-full capacity for most of a season's campaign, he is a rare gem.

 

Steve Black? I am not sure if he is a myth or a genius. The Falcons pack for years has been weak & physically got done over in most games. Some members of the pack under his regime looked fat & not muscular. The falcons often got wiped out in the 2nd half or late on in games.

 

iam going with Myth,  iam sure he is good at what he does but i dont think he's the god of fitness he gets made out as on here.

[Northern Monkey]

Some may see it as being an unwanted return to the past, or trying to relive a recent era by bringing back certain some figures back into the mix - much like Keegan's re-appointment, but a return of Steve Black would be a positive step forward for the club.

 

In his field, and they're judged on keeping players motivated & physically running at near-full capacity for most of a season's campaign, he is a rare gem.

 

Steve Black? I am not sure if he is a myth or a genius. The Falcons pack for years has been weak & physically got done over in most games. Some members of the pack under his regime looked fat & not muscular. The falcons often got wiped out in the 2nd half or late on in games.

 

iam going with Myth,  iam sure he is good at what he does but i dont think he's the god of fitness he gets made out as on here.

 

He gets bigges up way beyond his actual ability.

[ToonMonty]

 

KK got rid of the reserve team when he was last time around and that alone was shocking decision. 

 

 

It was but it was done because he went in the huff with the then pontins league who refused to let clubs play their reserve games away from the club's ground.  Where are the majority of those games played now?  Keegan spitting the dummy out set the ball rolling and when Fergie got involved the premier league re-vamped it's reserve strategy.

[Wallace]

Some may see it as being an unwanted return to the past, or trying to relive a recent era by bringing back certain some figures back into the mix - much like Keegan's re-appointment, but a return of Steve Black would be a positive step forward for the club.

 

In his field, and they're judged on keeping players motivated & physically running at near-full capacity for most of a season's campaign, he is a rare gem.

 

Steve Black? I am not sure if he is a myth or a genius. The Falcons pack for years has been weak & physically got done over in most games. Some members of the pack under his regime looked fat & not muscular. The falcons often got wiped out in the 2nd half or late on in games.

 

iam going with Myth,  iam sure he is good at what he does but i dont think he's the god of fitness he gets made out as on here.

 

He gets bigges up way beyond his actual ability.

 

I went to a talk-in with Steve Black last year and I thought he was he was really inspirational to listen to.  I am sure though that after a while, it loses its impact.

 

I don't know if this is true, but I often heard that the Falcons suffered the least muscular injuries of all the rugby premiership teams.

 

He might have a positive impact for a short time but then he didn't have much effect when he joined the Mackems for a while before they were relegated last time.

[Northern Monkey]

There is never anything but heresay to back up Steve Black's supposed greatness.

 

I think its all a bit "meh", personally.