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[Dokko]

I wonder why Wenger doesn't have a problem with French players in the English league? If anybody should know their strengths and weaknesses by now you would have thought it was him.

 

 

 

Wenger usually has 2 or 3 at most in his team.

 

That's because Arsenal's scouting is not restricted to one country. His most successful period as manager was when the side was filled with them.

 

Assume you're going off 2001-4 so does Vieira, Wiltord, Pires & Henry = filled does it?

 

Well you can add Petite to that so that's almost half the outfield players.

 

Fair enough, he joined Barca in 2000 though so it would be a strange addition.

 

I didn't put the dates of 2001-4 in there mind, that was you. I was just talking about Arsenals most successful period.

 

Well I picked Arsenal's most successful period given that's what you talked about. If you expand it there is

 

1997-99 you had Petit, Vieira and Anelka

2001 - 04 you had Vieira, Wiltord, Pires & Henry

 

(plus Grimandi throughout lurking with intent off the bench)

 

You can't claim both just to suit your argument because there was no cross over where they had a team 'filled with' players from one country and as

 

As i've pointed out before the English core was a hugely important part for Arsenal with both Henry & Pires stating it was the likes of Keown the introduced, helped and protected them through English football.

 

To write that off is ignorant, and its what we've done imo.

 

rightly states they had just as many Englishmen who were regulars during the same timeframe.

 

It also helps the ones they bought are lightyears ahead of their equivalents that we've been picked up.

 

Well I don't think Wenger would have a problem buying 6 Frenchmen if he thought they were of good enough quality, in fact he's bought a few duds as well. He doesn't seem to see nationality of a player as much of an issue as the quality, which is the right way to go IMO.

 

You are focusing far too much on nationality, like disco said its about having hardened premier league players as part of a support network for when we do bring in 6 foreign players regardless of what actual nation they come from.

[TRon]

As i've pointed out before the English core was a hugely important part for Arsenal with both Henry & Pires stating it was the likes of Keown the introduced, helped and protected them through English football.

 

To write that off is ignorant, and its what we've done imo.

 

I don't think anyone has ever written off the value of having a good English core, if you can afford to bring in the quality required, but to start inferring that the problem is buying too many French players rather than looking at the obvious shit management is not fair IMO.

 

Tbh no one is dismissing the shit manager, but there's a thread for him and we all know he's holding us back but I think it's only sensible to look at other factors as well and our transfer policy isn't watertight.

 

Put him aside, that's all anyone is doing here, you don't have to bring him in to it, it's a pointless exercise as you are just preaching to the converted.

 

But if you put aside the manager you are taking out one of the major problems of buying French in the first place. Would Cabaye look good in an Allardyce team? No, but he might look a lot better in an Arsenal, Man U or Spurs one, all teams supposedly with an interest in him.

[TRon]

I wonder why Wenger doesn't have a problem with French players in the English league? If anybody should know their strengths and weaknesses by now you would have thought it was him.

 

 

 

Wenger usually has 2 or 3 at most in his team.

 

That's because Arsenal's scouting is not restricted to one country. His most successful period as manager was when the side was filled with them.

 

Assume you're going off 2001-4 so does Vieira, Wiltord, Pires & Henry = filled does it?

 

Well you can add Petite to that so that's almost half the outfield players.

 

Fair enough, he joined Barca in 2000 though so it would be a strange addition.

 

I didn't put the dates of 2001-4 in there mind, that was you. I was just talking about Arsenals most successful period.

 

Well I picked Arsenal's most successful period given that's what you talked about. If you expand it there is

 

1997-99 you had Petit, Vieira and Anelka

2001 - 04 you had Vieira, Wiltord, Pires & Henry

 

(plus Grimandi throughout lurking with intent off the bench)

 

You can't claim both just to suit your argument because there was no cross over where they had a team 'filled with' players from one country and as

 

As i've pointed out before the English core was a hugely important part for Arsenal with both Henry & Pires stating it was the likes of Keown the introduced, helped and protected them through English football.

 

To write that off is ignorant, and its what we've done imo.

 

rightly states they had just as many Englishmen who were regulars during the same timeframe.

 

It also helps the ones they bought are lightyears ahead of their equivalents that we've been picked up.

 

Well I don't think Wenger would have a problem buying 6 Frenchmen if he thought they were of good enough quality, in fact he's bought a few duds as well. He doesn't seem to see nationality of a player as much of an issue as the quality, which is the right way to go IMO.

 

You are focusing far too much on nationality, like disco said its about having hardened premier league players as part of a support network for when we do bring in 6 foreign players regardless of what actual nation they come from.

 

You've got it the wrong way round mate, it's not me that's got a problem with nationality of players.

[Dokko]

As i've pointed out before the English core was a hugely important part for Arsenal with both Henry & Pires stating it was the likes of Keown the introduced, helped and protected them through English football.

 

To write that off is ignorant, and its what we've done imo.

 

I don't think anyone has ever written off the value of having a good English core, if you can afford to bring in the quality required, but to start inferring that the problem is buying too many French players rather than looking at the obvious shit management is not fair IMO.

 

Tbh no one is dismissing the shit manager, but there's a thread for him and we all know he's holding us back but I think it's only sensible to look at other factors as well and our transfer policy isn't watertight.

 

Put him aside, that's all anyone is doing here, you don't have to bring him in to it, it's a pointless exercise as you are just preaching to the converted.

 

But if you put aside the manager you are taking out one of the major problems of buying French in the first place. Would Cabaye look good in an Allardyce team? No, but he might look a lot better in an Arsenal, Man U or Spurs one, all teams supposedly with an interest in him.

 

You can't simply just blame the manager for the shit state we are in, the players have to take some responsibility as well, however there is no real force there to make sure that happens. Nolan or barton would be telling them exactly how it is, we really miss that IMO and Pardew doesn't have that ally in the dressing room. That may though be another conversation all together.

[Ronaldo]

You can't simply just blame the manager for the shit state we are in, the players have to take some responsibility as well, however there is no real force there to make sure that happens. Nolan or barton would be telling them exactly how it is, we really miss that IMO

 

 

Don't like Nolan or Barton too much as players but they provided something we simply don't have within this group and it shows when we go behind.

[TRon]

You can't simply just blame the manager for the shit state we are in, the players have to take some responsibility as well, however there is no real force there to make sure that happens. Nolan or barton would be telling them exactly how it is, we really miss that IMO

 

 

Don't like Nolan or Barton too much as players but they provided something we simply don't have within this group and it shows when we go behind.

 

Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Spurs etc don't need Nolan and Barton and neither do we. If we want British players to provide some grit then I'd far rather we targeted the likes of McCarthy or Sinclair.

[Disco]

Man United, Liverpool and Spurs all have leaders / players that gee each other up on the pitch. Be they be foreign or English.

[TRon]

Man United, Liverpool and Spurs all have leaders / players that gee each other up on the pitch. Be they be foreign or English.

 

Then we should be looking to bring in the sort of leaders they have. Be they foreign or English.

[Disco]

Man United, Liverpool and Spurs all have leaders / players that gee each other up on the pitch. Be they be foreign or English.

 

Then we should be looking to bring in the sort of leaders they have. Be they foreign or English.

 

I concur but we're rarely if ever linked with any let alone buy any. Problem being that those sorts of characters rarely have contract clauses and wrangles.

[Ronaldo]

You can't simply just blame the manager for the shit state we are in, the players have to take some responsibility as well, however there is no real force there to make sure that happens. Nolan or barton would be telling them exactly how it is, we really miss that IMO

 

 

Don't like Nolan or Barton too much as players but they provided something we simply don't have within this group and it shows when we go behind.

 

Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Spurs etc don't need Nolan and Barton and neither do we. If we want British players to provide some grit then I'd far rather we targeted the likes of McCarthy or Sinclair.

 

What does this even mean? Every team needs natural leaders in the side. I can't think of one in ours.

 

Grit.

[BottledDog]

You can't simply just blame the manager for the shit state we are in, the players have to take some responsibility as well, however there is no real force there to make sure that happens. Nolan or barton would be telling them exactly how it is, we really miss that IMO

 

 

Don't like Nolan or Barton too much as players but they provided something we simply don't have within this group and it shows when we go behind.

 

Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Spurs etc don't need Nolan and Barton and neither do we. If we want British players to provide some grit then I'd far rather we targeted the likes of McCarthy or Sinclair.

 

What does this even mean? Every team needs natural leaders in the side. I can't think of one in ours.

 

Grit.

 

Not one? Cabaye, Yanga Mbiwa, Sissoko, all previous and successful club captains.

 

Hell, even Taylor for all his idiocy was a long standing leader of the U21s.

[Disco]

You can't simply just blame the manager for the shit state we are in, the players have to take some responsibility as well, however there is no real force there to make sure that happens. Nolan or barton would be telling them exactly how it is, we really miss that IMO

 

 

Don't like Nolan or Barton too much as players but they provided something we simply don't have within this group and it shows when we go behind.

 

Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Spurs etc don't need Nolan and Barton and neither do we. If we want British players to provide some grit then I'd far rather we targeted the likes of McCarthy or Sinclair.

 

What does this even mean? Every team needs natural leaders in the side. I can't think of one in ours.

 

Grit.

 

Not one? Cabaye, Yanga Mbiwa, Sissoko, all previous and successful club captains.

 

 

The other two have shown little in the way of it either. Albeit language problems may come in too play.

[TRon]

Man United, Liverpool and Spurs all have leaders / players that gee each other up on the pitch. Be they be foreign or English.

 

Then we should be looking to bring in the sort of leaders they have. Be they foreign or English.

 

I concur but we're rarely if ever linked with any let alone buy any. Problem being that those sorts of characters rarely have contract clauses and wrangles.

 

Good point. This is where the lack of real committment for the club becomes apparent from Ashley. He'd rather save a few quid than risk spending the money it would require to sign those sort of players (or manager for that matter).

[SEMTEX]

You can't simply just blame the manager for the shit state we are in, the players have to take some responsibility as well, however there is no real force there to make sure that happens. Nolan or barton would be telling them exactly how it is, we really miss that IMO

 

 

Don't like Nolan or Barton too much as players but they provided something we simply don't have within this group and it shows when we go behind.

 

Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Spurs etc don't need Nolan and Barton and neither do we. If we want British players to provide some grit then I'd far rather we targeted the likes of McCarthy or Sinclair.

 

What does this even mean? Every team needs natural leaders in the side. I can't think of one in ours.

 

Grit.

 

Not one? Cabaye, Yanga Mbiwa, Sissoko, all previous and successful club captains.

 

 

The other two have shown little in the way of it either. Albeit language problems may come in too play.

 

HAHA TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  IDIOT

[Ronaldo]

You can't simply just blame the manager for the shit state we are in, the players have to take some responsibility as well, however there is no real force there to make sure that happens. Nolan or barton would be telling them exactly how it is, we really miss that IMO

 

 

Don't like Nolan or Barton too much as players but they provided something we simply don't have within this group and it shows when we go behind.

 

Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Spurs etc don't need Nolan and Barton and neither do we. If we want British players to provide some grit then I'd far rather we targeted the likes of McCarthy or Sinclair.

 

What does this even mean? Every team needs natural leaders in the side. I can't think of one in ours.

 

Grit.

 

Not one? Cabaye, Yanga Mbiwa, Sissoko, all previous and successful club captains.

 

Hell, even Taylor for all his idiocy was a long standing leader of the U21s.

 

In other words, none.

[TRon]

You can't simply just blame the manager for the shit state we are in, the players have to take some responsibility as well, however there is no real force there to make sure that happens. Nolan or barton would be telling them exactly how it is, we really miss that IMO

 

 

Don't like Nolan or Barton too much as players but they provided something we simply don't have within this group and it shows when we go behind.

 

Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Spurs etc don't need Nolan and Barton and neither do we. If we want British players to provide some grit then I'd far rather we targeted the likes of McCarthy or Sinclair.

 

What does this even mean? Every team needs natural leaders in the side. I can't think of one in ours.

 

Grit.

 

Not one? Cabaye, Yanga Mbiwa, Sissoko, all previous and successful club captains.

 

Hell, even Taylor for all his idiocy was a long standing leader of the U21s.

 

In other words, none.

 

I'd still rather have Sissoko here ahead of Barton and Cabaye rather than Nolan.

[Ronaldo]

And nobody suggested otherwise. Natural leaders are needed, though. We could do with a one up front and one in the midfield in place of your mate who Man U wanted to sign last summer.

[TRon]

And nobody suggested otherwise. Natural leaders are needed, though. We could do with a one up front and one in the midfield in place of your mate who Man U wanted to sign last summer.

 

I'm not going to disagree on you there, I would just say that we need the leadership from the manager as well. If you have a manager with clear principle of how he wants to play the game, and the standards he expects, then it makes it a lot easier to instill that in the team. Pards has one foot in the players camp and one in Ashleys, so no sense of commitment will be passed down to the players, then add that to his general ineptness at setting out teams, and you can see why there is a lack of leadership in the team. No one really knows what their role is.

[Guest bimpy474]

Nolan wouldn't have pulled out of a game because his head wasn't straight if a bid for him had come in.

 

Totally gutless, for all his skill and decency as a player, Cabaye is a gutless drama queen.

[Guest bimpy474]

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Nolan wouldn't have pulled out of a game because his head wasn't straight if a bid for him had come in.

 

Totally gutless, for all his skill and decency as a player, Cabaye is a gutless drama queen.

 

Unreal how people are so quick to jump to this conclusion.

[thenige]

It was the same with Colo when nobody knew what was going on in his personal life which meant he may be leaving the club.

 

The amount of shit people gave him on this forum was unreal. Even claiming he was faking his back injury at the tailend of last season.

 

Now he's said he's staying it wouldn't surprise me if the same people are praising him, stating he's easily the clubs best defender and never really wanted to leave. At least have some consistency.

 

We don't really know what happened with Cabaye, but like the Given situation, considering how much of a joke we are currently I don't blame him for turning his head when Arsenal and PSG came calling.

[Ronaldo]

The amount of shit people gave him on this forum was unreal.

 

And justified. A captain doesn't ask to leave a club halfway through the season with relegation looking a very strong possibility.

[Guest bimpy474]

Nolan wouldn't have pulled out of a game because his head wasn't straight if a bid for him had come in.

 

Totally gutless, for all his skill and decency as a player, Cabaye is a gutless drama queen.

 

Unreal how people are so quick to jump to this conclusion.

 

I actually think you are Alan Pardew. You're such a gaylord you must be him.

[NewJerseyMag]

Nolan wouldn't have pulled out of a game because his head wasn't straight if a bid for him had come in.

 

Totally gutless, for all his skill and decency as a player, Cabaye is a gutless drama queen.

 

Unreal how people are so quick to jump to this conclusion.

He is tho.