Get it into your thick skulls

[Superior Acuña]

Surely nobody actually wants KK out?

[KaKa]

I agree with your sentiments HTT and Keegan shouldn't be too blame.

 

However, we have only 2 matchwinners in the team who can produce something out of nothing no matter how bad things are.

 

Martins and Zoggy ought to be in the team for the whole match, every game, as long as they are fit. We cannot afford to not have them in the team for even one second.

 

 

And that's my whole point. If we have to rely on Martins and N'Zogbia....

 

 

 

Rather them than Duff and Smith/Owen.

 

So what is Owen now? A set piece specialist? Can he still score from open play?

[WhatTheFunk]

 

 

Posted this in another thread, and will post it in most threads concerning relegation:

 

 

is there anything we can do as fans to take this into our own hands?

 

i mean we can't just sit idling by and watch the club go down, or even come close to getting relegated!!

 

I dont particularly give a rat's ass about our squad of players as individuals or personalities. Having said that, it will be up to them whether we stay up or not. Survival will have to depend on them, and I don't like the status quo.

 

I'm wondering....is there anything we can do to help the situation?? Can we get 20 or 30 or 40 thousand signatures to ask the club to open training up to the public? Maybe the daily support of fans will get them going! We can sell whoever we have to sell in the summer. But in the meantime, we need to stick by these players as our fate is in their hands!

 

What else can we do? I really think we should take matters into our own hands, and I believe Newcastle-Online has enough man power and passion to think of something!!! Come on boys and girls....who's with me!

 

Mods, feel free to start a new thread if anything

[Unbelievable]

It doesn't matter who KK picks or which team plays, they have proved themselves unable to perform much less win games consistently over the course of years. They are all s****, the whole lot of them. This is a rotten team and 2 managers this season, good managers, have both failed to get them playing. What will it take for people to realise this and accept this? f****** relegation? It doesn't matter if Smith plays or not, his replacement is like for like. Barton the same. N'Zogbia or Duff? Enrique or N'Zogbia? Martins or Owen? They all in one way or another have serious flaws in their game or are simply not good enough. But aye, lets change the manager again...

 

I agree. Sam should never have been sacked!

 

This

 

Yep, way too early.

[colinmk]

I agree with your sentiments HTT and Keegan shouldn't be too blame.

 

However, we have only 2 matchwinners in the team who can produce something out of nothing no matter how bad things are.

 

Martins and Zoggy ought to be in the team for the whole match, every game, as long as they are fit. We cannot afford to not have them in the team for even one second.

 

 

And that's my whole point. If we have to rely on Martins and N'Zogbia....

 

 

 

Rather them than Duff and Smith/Owen.

 

So what is Owen now? A set piece specialist? Can he still score from open play?

 

He's just a horse specialist now and he's past it, finished, shite. So are 90% of the squad.

[Guest Phil K]

Smith is a perfect striker in an away game, not in a must win home game. Stupid playing him in these home games against teams like Boro and Blackburn where we need a bit of flair rather than just hard work up front.

 

WE HAVE NO f****** FLAIR.

 

No - and we have even LESS backbone.

[Guest Knightrider]

I agree with your sentiments HTT and Keegan shouldn't be too blame.

 

However, we have only 2 matchwinners in the team who can produce something out of nothing no matter how bad things are.

 

Martins and Zoggy ought to be in the team for the whole match, every game, as long as they are fit. We cannot afford to not have them in the team for even one second.

 

 

And that's my whole point. If we have to rely on Martins and N'Zogbia....

 

 

 

Rather them than Duff and Smith/Owen.

 

So what is Owen now? A set piece specialist? Can he still score from open play?

 

N'Zogbia does nothing new that Duff doesn't do while Martins may have more pace than Owen but he's a shite fucking footballer. God I can trap a ball better than him. Like for like as far as I'm concerned or rather swap one set of problems for another different set but equally the same old shite in general terms.

[ChrisJbarnes]

keegans substitutions werent bad, if we hadnt created anything all game and it took 67 mins to put martins on, that would be bad. but, we were creating all match and just didnt put them away. we cant take owen off whos had 6 chances for martins who might not create anything. granted, smith and butt couldve been subbed but his plan was working.

[KaKa]

I agree with your sentiments HTT and Keegan shouldn't be too blame.

 

However, we have only 2 matchwinners in the team who can produce something out of nothing no matter how bad things are.

 

Martins and Zoggy ought to be in the team for the whole match, every game, as long as they are fit. We cannot afford to not have them in the team for even one second.

 

 

And that's my whole point. If we have to rely on Martins and N'Zogbia....

 

 

 

Rather them than Duff and Smith/Owen.

 

So what is Owen now? A set piece specialist? Can he still score from open play?

 

N'Zogbia does nothing new that Duff doesn't do while Martins may have more pace than Owen but he's a s**** f****** footballer. God I can trap a ball better than him. Like for like as far as I'm concerned or rather swap one set of problems for another different set but equally the same in general terms.

 

If I had two sets of players of a general similar ability then I will always go with the faster, stronger and more athletic pair.

 

More chacnes in general, more freekicks, more mistakes forced on the other team.

 

It's not difficult to see how that works surely?

 

As a defender I know who would make me more nervous, and it sure as hell wouldn't be the pathetically weak and slow Duff and Owen. Their falling over against every slight challenge just sets the wrong tone for the team, it has a mental effect I swear it does, we just get pushed around and bullied too much upfront. We instill no fear in anyone. Zoggy and Martins would alter that to some degree for sure.

[Guest Knightrider]

keegans substitutions werent bad, if we hadnt created anything all game and it took 67 mins to put martins on, that would be bad. but, we were creating all match and just didnt put them away. we cant take owen off whos had 6 chances for martins who might not create anything. granted, smith and butt couldve been subbed but his plan was working.

 

He had to keep Smith on to take Butt off, the weakest link in our side.

[Guest Phil K]

Among the thickest of the "thick skulls" is the threads starter.

We have steadily tumbled by atrocious chairmans decisions.

Souness/Roeder/(and to me the worst of the lot)Allardyce/KK

 

And to say that it doesn't matter who plays we'll still be bad is deserving of "moron of the year" award.

Still - spread the blame by all means. I'd be a lot more confident if certain players never pulled on a black and white shirt again.

Sadly - it includes most of the "midfield players" I put that in parenthesis because they are less that than hot dog sellers.

 

Surely nobody actually wants KK out?

What I want is for him to stop persevering with the same failures.

[Guest Knightrider]

I agree with your sentiments HTT and Keegan shouldn't be too blame.

 

However, we have only 2 matchwinners in the team who can produce something out of nothing no matter how bad things are.

 

Martins and Zoggy ought to be in the team for the whole match, every game, as long as they are fit. We cannot afford to not have them in the team for even one second.

 

 

And that's my whole point. If we have to rely on Martins and N'Zogbia....

 

 

 

Rather them than Duff and Smith/Owen.

 

So what is Owen now? A set piece specialist? Can he still score from open play?

 

N'Zogbia does nothing new that Duff doesn't do while Martins may have more pace than Owen but he's a s**** f****** footballer. God I can trap a ball better than him. Like for like as far as I'm concerned or rather swap one set of problems for another different set but equally the same in general terms.

 

If I had two sets of players of a general similar ability then I will always go with the faster, stronger and more athletic pair.

 

More chacnes in general, more freekicks, more mistakes forced on the other team.

 

It's not difficult to see how that works surely?

 

As a defender I know who would make me more nervous, and it sure as hell wouldn't be the pathetically weak and slow Duff and Owen. Their falling over against every slight challenge just sets the wrong tone for the team, it has a mental effect I swear it does, we just get pushed around and bullied too much upfront. We instill no fear in anyone. Zoggy and Martins would alter that to some degree for sure.

 

If I recall rightly neither Duff nor Owen have played all that often for us while the other two have... I see what you're saying but the differences are minor if that. I could easily argue Owen's worth to the team in the same vein but at the end of the day they are all average performers for us.

[Guest Knightrider]

What I want is for him to stop persevering with the same failures.

 

And do what, replace them with the other failures. Our whole team is made up of failures, players who have done fuck all redeeming for our club with the exception of Given who has regrettably but nailed on eventually succumbed to the shiteness level that surrounds him and has done for years. Aye, lets replace those shite players with more shite players.

[Syrette]

You forgot Harper, HTT.

[Guest Knightrider]

And to say that it doesn't matter who plays we'll still be bad is deserving of "moron of the year" award.

 

They have all had their chance, some of them under successive managers, yet here we are still complaining about them. These players individually and collectively minus the odd rare and fleeting exception have proven themselves unable to perform to the required level otherwise we wouldn't be where we are. Go and take a look at that table, then our squad, then look at the appearance totals of those players, and you come back to me and win me over with the answer or answers to our problems because I'm damned if I can see any such thing in any of them.

[dcmk]

if keegan resigns amidst fans calling for his head - i would honestly quit supporting Newcastle.

[Guest Knightrider]

You forgot Harper, HTT.

 

Harper's a good 'keeper and a good lad but the fact he's still here is evidence of the deeper malaise that runs through the club in regards to players settling for second best or in some cases, happy in their cushy little number.

[La Parka]

You forgot Harper, HTT.

 

Harper's a good 'keeper and a good lad but the fact he's still here is evidence of the deeper malaise that runs through the club in regards to players settling for second best or in some cases, happy in their cushy little number.

 

Nail on the fookin head.

 

[Guest Knightrider]

if keegan resigns amidst fans calling for his head - i would honestly quit supporting Newcastle.

 

The majority of match day going fans won't call for his head, they have far too much respect for him and rightly so. It's cretins on internet message boards, phone ins and textins that are the ones who haven't a clue. Thankfully a minority.

[KaKa]

I have to say as well, bringing the likes of Zoggy and Martins of the bench is pointless because they need more time to get into the game, and get a feel for the game without forcing things.

 

Bringing them on to make an impact makes them look even worse. Their techniques aren't their best features and putting them on to make an impact late in the game means they tend to force the issue and press too much and it never pans out. It just gets really ugly.

[Guest Knightrider]

I have to say as well, bringing the likes of Zoggy and Martins of the bench is pointless because they need more time to get into the game.

 

Bringing them on to make an impact makes them look even worse. Their techniques aren't their best features and putting them on to make an impact late in the game means they tend to force the issue and press too much and it never pans out. It just gets really ugly.

 

Same as when they start then. Sorry but you're making excuses for them. KK's job is not to pick the players you like or the ones you may think can do this and this but to pick a team that goes out and tries to win games, creates chances and works hard. To my mind we did that and then sum today. His selection or whatever isn't to blame for today, I don't know what is like, probably our form, I knew with every missed chance we were asking for Blackburn to score and they did, but KK couldn't have really done much more or anything else today and in many ways, since he joined. It is down to the players more than anything now and that is what really bothers me because as they've proved time and time again, they can't be trusted nor do they have the character or ability.

[tmonkey]

Martins needs to start, and Owen needs to start on the bench.

[J7]

if keegan resigns amidst fans calling for his head - i would honestly quit supporting Newcastle.

 

The majority of match day going fans won't call for his head, they have far too much respect for him and rightly so. It's cretins on internet message boards, phone ins and textins that are the ones who haven't a clue. Thankfully a minority.

 

I wouldnt call for his head, but I believe he should never have been appointed. I don't believe he is the right man for the job and I don't believe that makes me a 'cretin'. I believe I have watched football long enough, at all levels to be able to make a sound judgement on the way things are going, and who will be good and bad appointments. I also don't believe looking to the past for a manager, 12 years into the past is a good way of judging someones abilities as a manager. Nobody should get caught up in how much they like someone when judging their abilities in a job.

[Cronky]

'All the players are crap' is just a cry of despair, not a rational statement.

 

Obviously we're not scoring goals, and I think there are two problems here.

 

The first problem is a lack of pace in the side, so we can't hit teams on the break. The build up tends to be too slow and defences can set themselves. We can play the two players with genuine pace - Zoggy and Martins - but the trouble is they aren't too strong on the technical side and don't read the game well. It's questionable whether they improve things.

 

The second and more solveable problem surrounds Owen. Keegan, along with many fans, have got the idea that Owen is still a great striker and all we need to do is provide him with more chances. The old 'service' line of argument. Trouble is Owen has to play off a target man, and so that more or less dictates that we have to play an orthodox 4-4-2, very reliant on crosses, a bit predictable and not much being created down the middle.

 

It's pretty obvious that strategy isn't working, and Keegan has to find the nerve and the imagination to try something different. We still need to play with a striker who can hold the ball up (Smith, Viduka, Carroll, Shola - you can make out a case for any of them), but should try partnering them with a creative player who can link with the midfield - Duff or Emre would be good choices, but possibly Milner as well.

 

Do a Capello, in other words, but I can't see it happening. In making Owen the captain, Keegan seems to have set his stall out.

 

 

[Guest Knightrider]

if keegan resigns amidst fans calling for his head - i would honestly quit supporting Newcastle.

 

The majority of match day going fans won't call for his head, they have far too much respect for him and rightly so. It's cretins on internet message boards, phone ins and textins that are the ones who haven't a clue. Thankfully a minority.

 

I wouldnt call for his head,

 

 

Then you're not a cretin.

 

I didn't want him here either, although he's better than most we were linked with, and now that he's here I'm loving it, even if the football is still shite, or rather the results.